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In this episode, I welcomed back Dr. Pam Epstein-King to discuss her framework of six facets for spiritual health. We focused on "transcendence and spirituality," where Pam expanded on Dr. Lisa Miller's definition to include not just experiencing something beyond oneself, but also responding to it. This resonated deeply with me, prompting thoughts on evolving my two-item model of spirituality and religiosity into a three-item model including transcendence. Pam's research on "spiritual exemplars" illustrated how individuals allow transcendent experiences to shape their identity, beliefs, and actions. This conversation sparked ideas about a more holistic model of spiritual life, acknowledging the initial experience of transcendence, the personal spiritual journey, and the communal religious practices that often follow.
Highlights
09:13 Six Facets of Spiritual Health
19:30 Transcendence and Spirituality
23:13 Habits and Rhythms
25:59 Relationships and Community
30:45 Vocation and Purpose
35:49 Identity and Narrative
41:49 Ethics and Virtues
Pam's Thrive Center | thethrivecenter.org
Pam's Podcast | With & For
Past YHP Episode with Pam King:
#129 | Religion, Virtue & Human Thriving
Dan's new Substack | Religion on the Mind
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In the second episode of our series of conversations with comedians about religion and spirituality, comedian Maggie Lally joined me to share her genuinely unique religious experiences and how they inform her comedy and worldview.
From a sheltered Catholic upbringing by a former Jesuit priest to becoming a “teen witch” in adolescence, Maggie was raised with a sense of spiritual openness that she still carries with her today. We discussed all the various therapeutic approaches she has experienced (including one who inspired a comedy bit about “overly empathetic white female therapists”) and connected on the practice of centering prayer.
Highlights
06:33 The Journey of Maggie's Father: From Jesuit to Family Man
36:33 The Impact of Teenage Witchcraft
43:38 The Role of Therapy and Spiritual Direction
50:31 Cultivating a Meditation Practice
01:00:23 Exploring Spirituality and Religion
Maggie's Linktree
Dan's new Substack | Religion on the Mind
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In this follow-up to our discussion on the Apostle's Creed, Thomas Jay Oord and I delve into the Nicene Creed, examining its history, language, and theology through a progressive Christian lens. We grapple with complex concepts like the Trinity, the nature of Christ, and the Holy Spirit, questioning traditional interpretations and exploring how our diverse backgrounds shape our understanding of these ideas. While acknowledging the historical significance of the Creed, we also confront the challenge of interpreting ancient texts in a modern context. Our conversation highlights the tension between appreciating theological tradition and prioritizing practical expressions of faith that address contemporary issues. Ultimately, we reflect on the value of critically engaging with our religious heritage to cultivate a faith that is both historically grounded and relevant to today's world.
Highlights
00:00 Introduction and Recap of Previous Episode
03:14 The Role of Theology: Faith Seeking Understanding
11:50 The Limitations of Language in Theological Discourse
19:10 Decoding the Language of the Nicene Creed
23:57 The Tension Between Theological Precision and Language
Tom's Previous Episode list:
#7 | To Change Your Mind: Healing Prayer
#23 | To Be a Postmodern Christian
#42 | Is the "Supernatural" Actually Just Natural?
Matthew Novenson Episode on "Pneuma:
#163 | Apocalyptic Expectations, the Resurrection & More
Dan's new Substack | Religion on the Mind
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In this first part of our discussion, Thomas Jay Oord and I take a deep dive into the Apostle’s Creed, exploring its origins, language, and theology through a progressive Christian lens. We examine foundational beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, questioning traditional interpretations and considering how our experiences and backgrounds influence our understanding of these core tenets of faith. As we navigate the historical significance of the Creed, we also grapple with the challenge of applying these ancient declarations to a modern, evolving faith context. Our conversation reflects the ongoing tension between honoring theological tradition and pursuing a faith that resonates with contemporary concerns. Ultimately, we emphasize the importance of critically engaging with our religious heritage to cultivate a faith that is both deeply rooted in history and responsive to the realities of today’s world.
Highlights:
03:15 Discussion on the Apostles Creed
13:06 Challenges and Personal Responses to the Creeds
23:47 Interpreting the Phrase 'Believe in Jesus Christ'
28:02 Understanding the Uniqueness of Jesus
34:20 Exploring the Concepts of 'Descended to the Dead' and 'Resurrection'
40:33 The Significance of the Resurrection in Christianity
52:26 Exploring the Possibility of Mass Experiences
56:45 Continuation of Subjective Experience Beyond Death
Tom's Previous Episode list:
#7 | To Change Your Mind: Healing Prayer
#23 | To Be a Postmodern Christian
#42 | Is the "Supernatural" Actually Just Natural?
Matthew Novenson Episode on "Pneuma:
#163 | Apocalyptic Expectations, the Resurrection & More
Dan's new Substack | Religion on the Mind
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In this inaugural episode of the new "God Songs AKA Songs in the Key of G-O-D" series, Dan Koch and fellow musician (and returning guest) Tyson Motsenbocker explore spiritually significant songs that aren't overtly religious. Dan shares his encounter with Jim James of My Morning Jacket and delves into James' song "Believe (Nobody Knows)," examining how it expresses belief amidst uncertainty. The conversation weaves through topics like evangelical "friendship evangelism," the psychological impact of absolutist beliefs, and the concept of "infinity withdrawal." Dan and Tyson discuss connections between James' music and Transcendental Meditation, touching on TM-inspired songs by The Beatles, Donovan, and the Beach Boys. This wide-ranging discussion explores the intersection of spirituality, culture, and art, grappling with deep questions about belief, community, and the human need for meaning, while contrasting ascetic traditions with worldly expressions of spirituality.
Highlights:
06:44 Analyzing 'Believe (Nobody Knows)' by My Morning Jacket
23:11 The Nuances And Limits Of Faith And Belief
33:26 The Influence of Transcendental Meditation on Popular Music
Tyson on Instagram
Where the Waves Turn Back Book
Tyson's Website
Dan's new Substack | Religion on the Mind
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In this episode, I sit down with previous-guest-turned-colleague Joy Vetterlein to explore the intricate relationship between disgust psychology, Christian faith, and attitudes towards LGBTQ+ individuals. We discuss how evolutionary disgust mechanisms influence reactions to sexuality, and the challenge of balancing intuitive responses with consciously held values. The conversation delves into personal experiences of conservative Christian upbringing, the importance of integrating mind and intuition, and finding a middle ground through discernment. We examine how disgust psychology affects Christian interactions with LGBTQ+ individuals, questioning whether such reactions are divine guidance or natural responses requiring examination. The episode emphasizes the crucial role of critical thinking and self-reflection in navigating complex moral and social issues, regardless of one's religious beliefs.
Highlights
07:20 The Importance of Discernment in Navigating Beliefs
12:14 Exploring the Psychology of Disgust
21:03 Controversy and Perspectives: The Opening Ceremony of the Olympics
31:28 Disgust as a Physical Reaction
48:08 The Culture War and Disgust Psychology
Dan's new Substack | Religion on the Mind
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Russell Moore, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, sat down with me to explore the current state of American Christianity, focusing on the challenges of maintaining relationships across ideological divides in an age of deep political cynicism and polarization. He shared insights on navigating family dynamics in a polarized era, emphasizing the importance of preserving relationships even when agreement seems impossible. We discussed the complexities within the Southern Baptist Convention, including how to interpret news from their annual meetings and the challenges of defining doctrinal boundaries. Russell has a nuanced perspective and I appreciate his ability to critically examine both conservative and progressive tendencies in Christianity.
Chapters
10:46 The Importance of Authenticity
26:41 Navigating Relationships and Acceptance
35:07 The Decline of the Southern Baptist Convention
55:17 Ethical Considerations and Regulations in the Age of AI
01:05:27 The Importance of Balancing Perspectives
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Russel Moore | Christianity Today
The Russel More Show (Podcast)
Russel's Article on AI | A New Era of AI Is Here, and the Church Is Not Ready
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This month’s Generation Gap Culture Hour focuses on recent political events (perhaps against our better judgement!). We also touch on generational differences in political engagement and dynamics within the Democratic Party. The conversation ends with a discussion about Joe Biden's decision to step down, how we are thinking about him/this decision, and potential implications for the election.
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Author and researcher Ryan Burge joins me to discuss religious trends in America. Ryan's research reveals a surprising plateau in the growth of religious "nones" over the past five years, even through the COVID-19 period. We explored his upcoming book on the "big church sort," discussing the polarization of American religion into conservative churches and liberal non-religious groups, while moderate and mainline churches rapidly decline. Our conversation touched on the challenges facing mainline Protestantism, the use of political symbols in religious spaces, and the importance of exposing ourselves and our children to diverse viewpoints within religious settings.
Highlights:
08:12 The Plateau of the Religious 'Nones'
35:10 The Big Church Sort: The Decline of Mainline Protestantism
01:02:36 Exposing Children to Different Views
Ryan's Substack
Ryan's Books:
The Great Dechurching
The Nones
YHP Episodes with Ryan:
Episode #25: "Myths about Religion and Politics in America”
YHP Episode with Josh Porter
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Returning guest and psychologist of religion Daryl Van Tongeren (Hope College) and I discuss his new book "Done: How to Flourish After Leaving Religion,” a book that is also quite helpful for those remaining in faith communities after changing beliefs/deconstructing, etc. We explore the concept of "religious residue": how religion continues to impact the way we think, feel, and act even after leaving faith. We discussed the complexity of deconversion and why leaving faith can be so challenging and time-consuming, especially when finding community. This was a rich and insightful conversation, and will hopefully be encouraging to anyone navigating the tumultuous waters of religious change.
Highlights:
04:16 Difficulties of Leaving Religion
12:11 The Great Disillusionment: Reasons for Leaving Religion/Deconstruction
26:45 Religious Residue and Crafting a New Identity
36:36 Navigating Isolation
55:40 Finding a New Community
Daryl's Book | Done: How to Flourish After Leaving Religion by Darrell Van Tongren
Daryl's Website
Episodes with Daryl:
Episode 195: “You Are Not Your Beliefs”
Episode 177: “The Good of Religion Without the Bad?"
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Matt and Max from Milkless are back! We pick up our conversation on belief and the meaning of life that we started in episode #271.
After exploring the potential downsides of belief without proof (i.e. conspiracy theories) and the psychology behind how and why we believe, we chatted about the meaning of life. We grappled with the nature of meaning itself, expressing both panentheistic views of God and naturalistic explanations of existence. We also talked through how finely-tuned the universe is and debated the validity of intelligent design.
We didn't solve any universal mysteries, but enjoyed a respectful, thought-provoking conversation about the biggest questions of our existence.
Milkless Podcast
Milkless Podcast on IG
Highlights:
02:56 Belief in a higher power
08:07 Our need for meaning
11:56 Conspiracy theories and conservative religion
19:05 Spirituality with or without religion
25:12 The universe and intelligent design
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I’m kicking off a new series exploring the intersection of comedy, religion, and spirituality!
My first guest is Ryan Erwin, a gay ex-Mormon missionary turned clean comic. We talk about his idyllic Mormon childhood in Utah, his departure from Mormonism and exploration of other faiths, his introduction to comedy, and how he has ultimately found spiritual fulfillment in nature and everyday activities.
I appreciated Ryan’s humor, warmth, and grounded perspective, hearing how he finds meaning outside traditional religious structures, as well as how his comedy can be a vehicle for exploring profound, sometimes uncomfortable truths about faith and identity.
Highlights:
08:37 “Religious Residue”
22:12 The Power of Storytelling
33:18 Leaving Mormonism and Pursuing Comedy
45:03 Finding Spirituality in Nature and the Present Moment
57:06 Living in the Here and Now: Embracing New Experiences
Ryan's Instagram
Ryan's Website
Dry Bar Comedy Specials: Dry Bar Comedy - Ryan Erwin
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When we have spiritual experiences with things like worship music, is that the Holy Spirit moving? Or, as Tim Whitaker (The New Evangelicals) claimed in a viral Instagram meme, is it “just the drums”? Can it be both?
Tim and Sarah Lane Ritchie return to discuss these ideas, Tim’s experiences as a worship drummer, “spiritual technologies” like worship music, the potential harm of conflating these experiences with “God,” the role of such experiences in the life of faith, and more.
Watch this Episode on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/qMTeohCkEDA
Tim's Viral Drums Reel:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6PhVL6OlDG/?igsh=eDdhZjFoMjI2NjJ1
The New Evangelicals Podcast:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865
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Sarah's Faculty Page:
https://www.templeton.org/team-member/sarah-lane-ritchie-ph-d
Sarah's Twitter:
@slaneritchie
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Tyson Motsenbocker returns to help Dan answer if he is being followed by a handful of AI-generated bot Instagram accounts. Could they be Russians? Why is Avis so interested in her son Jason and “knitting small bees”? Are we in an “uncanny valley” yet with AI content?
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Where the Waves Turn Back Book
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This week I’m joined by co-hosts of the excellent fatherhood-focused Milkless Podcast, Max Valverde and Matt Naylor for another listener-favorite “I Don’t Believe in That God” episode. Max leans towards atheism, finding a personal God unlikely, while Matt feels a pull towards spirituality but questions specific religious claims.
This is actually an episode swap -- so today there is both a new Milkless episode featuring yours truly (in which we discuss the benefits and costs of religion/spirituality in raising kids) AND a You Have Permission episode with the two of them.
A major theme that emerged was the difference between specific truth claims about the nature of reality and God vs. poetic or "theopoetic" framings that resonate as meaningful and promote human flourishing, even if not literally true. We didn't see perfectly eye-to-eye on this, with Matt expressing reservations about believing things for the sake of comfort or convenience rather than evidence. (Of course, I pushed back on what counts as evidence, etc.)
This conversation was SO GOOD that Matt and Max are returning for round 2 in a month or so -- keep your eyes out for that one!
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Milkless Podcast
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Finally, a long chat with indie Christian musician John Mark McMillan! John Mark started out firmly in the mainstream Christian world but has been gradually exploring more complex and nuanced expressions of faith (and doubt!) through his art.
We discussed his early life on a Christian commune, what it's like to be a recording artist wrestling with deep questions of faith and doubt, and whether a doubting faith is actually more faithful than one laced with certainty. We got into meaning-making, suffering, and the audacity of hope in an imperfect world. In other words, it was great.
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John Mark's Website
John Mark McMillan on Spotify
Resources Mentioned:
Hunting the Divine Fox: An Introduction to the Language of Theology
Viktor Frankl's Book: A Man's Search for Meaning
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How many times has someone told you that you have to watch The Chosen, the smash hit TV series depicting the life of Jesus?
My buddy Jeff Martin and I break down season 1, episode 2 & 3, reacting to all manner of interesting details from my own liberal Christian therapist perspective and Jeff’s more moderate Evangelical lens.
We get into:
Shabbat and Shabbat dinner
Conversion experiences and their psychological, social, and spiritual aspects
depiction of Jesus' interactions with children and his characterization
I’m very curious how much appetite there is for continuing with episodes like this, so please check it out and let me know what you think!
**Watch this episode on YouTube**
https://youtu.be/3ViFnTp7Des
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Sarah McCammon, NPR journalist and author of "The Exvangelicals," shares her journey out of evangelical Christianity, including her pivotal relationship with her non-religious gay grandfather.
We explore how journalism provided Sarah with a space to question and how my work in therapy also demands openness to evidence. We covered the impact of the Trump era on evangelicalism and the earlier Emergent movement led by figures like Rob Bell and Rachel Held Evans.
We delve into the evangelical subculture's "parallel institutions" and their role in fostering distrust of mainstream institutions. Finally, we reflect on our wariness of echo chambers and the value we now place on viewpoint diversity and factual specificity.
Watch this Episode on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/Kl0cr4MZaBI
Sarah’s Book “The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church”:
https://www.amazon.com/Exvangelicals-Loving-Living-Leaving-Evangelical/dp/1250284473
Sarah’s Substack
Depolarize! Podcast
Reconstruct Podcast
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After kicking things off with our usual game of "Bar, Bank, Church or Dispensary?” and “Ways we are becoming our dads” segments, I introduced a new segment focused on funny Hard Times headlines.
Tony recalled his recent time in Rome and reflected on the passing of theologian Jurgen Moltmann. This led into a conversation about Israel and the war in Gaza, and all three of us gave our thoughts on the conflict.
Finally, I brought forward the idea of seeing Christianity as a story in which we find ourselves, and we compared it with other meta-narratives competing for our attention and loyalty.
Watch this Episode on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/O27kTZyxVcU
RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Tony's Substack on Jürgen Moltmann
Movie: God On Trial
Kristen Ashley's Book: Knight
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Today’s episode is a thoughtful conversation with my friend Josh Patterson of the (Re)Thinking Faith Podcast about his evolving relationship with Christianity. No longer a pastor, he sometimes struggles to articulate theological concepts that once came easily. Practices that used to nourish his soul now give him pause, and he wonders if his reduced engagement with Christian community and spiritual disciplines has contributed to this sense of distance.
Despite this, Josh still experiences spontaneous moments of prayer, gratitude, and spiritual connection. He values embodied spiritual experiences over mere intellectual agreement with doctrines. The theological issues that once consumed him, such as Hell and atonement theories, have been overshadowed by more fundamental metaphysical and philosophical questions. He resonates with poetic and metaphorical approaches to theology (AKA “theopoetics”) that allow religious language to gesture toward profound truths and experiences without collapsing into rigid literalism.
Watch this Episode on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/BuySOBvUOhY
Josh's Podcast "Rethinking Faith":
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524
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