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  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by two casual academics, Emily Foley and Tony Williams, who also hold positions at the National Tertiary Education Union. Emily and Tony share their personal experiences and those of others in the sector and what the highly casualised, precarious nature of their employment means.

    The articles and reports mentioned in the podcast are listed below - but before you get to them, here's another one that takes a very different approach: Prof. George Williams at Western Sydney University writes in Meanjin that universities are not corporations.

    NTEU: University wage theft on track to exceed $382 million nationallyFWO: University of Melbourne signs Enforceable UndertakingFWO: University of Sydney signs Enforceable UndertakingAFR: 'I'm not going to say no to a nice salary' outgoing Melbourne Uni bossThe Guardian: Revealed: University of Sydney spent millions more on consultants than repaying wages of casual staffUniversity Chancellors Council: Submission to the Universities Accord Panel's Interim Report Bluesky: Ben Eltham thread on the Monash University Federal Court wage theft case The Guardian: Australian Catholic University sparks anger over scrapping medieval history and philosophy departmentsTimes Higher Education: World University Rankings 2025

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    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Prof Himashu Rai from the Indian Institute of Management Indore. What IIM Indore is doing to educate the next generation of Indian business leaders and engineers has to be heard to be believed.

    If you want to know more about IIM Indore - their website is: https://iimidr.ac.in/ and you can find Prof. Rai on LinkedIn:
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/askhimanshurai/

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

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  • In this special episode of the podcast, Claire is joined by Dirk Mulder, founder and CEO of The Koala News and Tracy Harris, Principal, Tracy Harris Solutions to discuss where the international education sector stands now that the government's legislative changes to amend the ESOS Act look unlikely to be passed by the Senate.

    The podcast is the audio recording of a webinar Claire, Dirk and Tracy hosted. If you want to watch the video instead you'll find it at: https://clairefield.com.au/international-student-caps-webinar-recording/

    If you're not already a subscriber to the Koala News - you definitely should be: https://thekoalanews.com

    Finally, if you want to connect with Dirk and Tracy - here are their LinkedIn profiles:

    Tracy HarrisDirk Mulder

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Chemène Sinson and Maria Langwell to discuss the Revised Standards and why it's important that the Standards should still include a definition of 'competency', why there is a need for proper education and support for RTOs during this transition, and how training providers can map their existing practices to the new Standards.

    If you haven't seen the Revised Standards yet - they're still technically in draft form until they are legislated - but they have been signed off by State, Territory and Australian government Skills Ministers, so for now they're available on the DEWR website: https://www.dewr.gov.au/standards-for-rtos

    And if you don't know Maria or Chemène - here's where you'll find them on LinkedIn:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/chemenesinson/https://www.linkedin.com/in/maria-langwell-23617766/

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    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • On this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by two VET leaders helping shape VET's response to changes in the way work is done in the construction industry: Jason Jennings from the ACT's Construction Industry Training Council and Eve Price from ConCOVE (New Zealand's Construction & Infrastructure Centre of Vocational Excellence).

    You can find out more about ConCOVE at: https://concove.ac.nz and about CITC at: https://www.citc.org.au

    And if you're interested in AI and its impact on teaching and assessment - although the Australian Skills Quality Authority (ASQA) has not yet produced any resources to support VET providers with this challenge, the Tertiary Education Quality and Standards Agency has developed an impressive array of practical resources which are also highly relevant to the VET sector: https://www.teqsa.gov.au/guides-resources/higher-education-good-practice-hub/artificial-intelligence

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode Claire steps through the following changes the Australian government is looking to make to international education:

    through the Education Services for Overseas Students Amendment Bill - which aims to improve transparency in relation to education agents, to limit new international education providers and their activities, and to cap international student enrolmentsClaire's analysis of what the student enrolment caps will mean for different providers - which she has also written about in some detail on her website at: https://clairefield.com.au/unpacking-the-international-student-caps-for-each-provider/ and here: https://clairefield.com.au/more-problems-in-how-international-student-caps-have-been-allocated/Claire's analysis of the government's related actions to strengthen integrity in the international VET sector: https://clairefield.com.au/the-list-of-144-of-the-150-ghost-colleges-including-more-schools-the-nsw-taxi-council-ausgrid-and-more/ and the government's earlier media release on the supposed "ghost colleges" https://ministers.dewr.gov.au/giles/over-150-ghost-colleges-axedClaire's explanation of why the removal of Ministerial Direction 107 may not deliver everything providers are expecting: https://clairefield.com.au/revoking_ministerial_direction_wont_be_a_silver_bullet/Claire's analysis of why private VET providers will be hardest hit in the short-term by the student caps: https://clairefield.com.au/why-private-vet-providers-are-hardest-hit-by-student-caps/the Senate Committee's report and recommendations on the ESOS Amendment Bill: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Education_and_Employment/OverseasStudents/Report, andthe recent PIE panel discussion on the proposed changes and their likely impact: https://www.crowdcast.io/c/australia-intled-landscape-whats-at-stake

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by the President of the Digital Education Council, Danny Bielik to discuss the work of the Council and how education is changing and what that means for institutions. During their conversation they discuss:

    a recent global survey conducted by the Council on students' views and use of AI in education: https://www.digitaleducationcouncil.com/post/digital-education-council-global-ai-student-survey-2024the work of the government of Singapore in keeping its citizens upskilled for the changing world of work: https://www.skillsfuture.gov.sg (see particularly the 'initiatives' tab), andDanny reminds us of how difficult it is in early stages of technological change to predict the future (see for example his short post on the Nokia Communicator - once heralded as the future of the internet!)

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode, Claire speaks with Michael Fay OAM, Director and Head of Education Services at AFG Venture Group and Special Advisor to the Executive Director of the ASEAN Universities Network.

    Michael shares his deep experience and insights on Australia's universities' (and VET providers') engagement in Southeast Asia and with ASEAN - and talks about the upcoming ASEAN Australia Education Dialogue being held later this year.

    In her introduction Claire recognises the efforts of Austrade to sensitively communicate the recent decision by the Australian government to introduce caps on new international student numbers in 2025, see the Study in Australia website

    And as Michael notes, the details of the upcoming AAED Dialogue have not yet been finalised but you can look back at the previous dialogues on the AAED website and there's the option on that page to subscribe to their newsletter to keep updated (or connect with Michael on LinkedIn) or you can check out the ASEAN Universities Network website.


    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Kane Murdoch, Macquarie University's Head of Conduct, Appeals and Misconduct to discuss issues related to academic integrity - especially since the advent of Generative AI.

    Kane mentions the following articles in the interview:

    Educational integrity enforcement pyramid with Cath Ellis: Ellis, C., & Murdoch, K. (2024). The educational integrity enforcement pyramid: a new framework for challenging and responding to student cheating. Assessment & Evaluation in Higher Education, 1–11. https://doi.org/10.1080/02602938.2024.2329167Murdoch, K., House, D. (2023). Courageous Conversations: Approaching Amnesty Through Honesty as Reparations to a Learning Community. In: Eaton, S.E. (eds) Handbook of Academic Integrity. Springer, Singapore. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-287-079-7_181-1

    And a recent report from the Digital Education Council 'Global AI Student Survey' offers interesting insights into students' use of GenAI, reinforcing the need for institutions to fully engage with the technology and its impact on academic integrity and learning.

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire was joined by Amit Sevak, the CEO of Educational Testing Service (ETS), to discuss the role ETS plays in international education and what they are seeing as countries like Australia move to restrict international student numbers.

    Amit also shares his insights into some of the key takeaways from ETS' 2024 Human Progress Report - a global survey of attitudes to learning (including views on upskilling and reskilling and the growing 'fear of becoming obsolete' (FOBO) as well as people's views on the use of AI in learning.

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode Claire shares what she learned from two of the presenters at the HolonIQ 2024 "Future of Higher Education & Workforce" Summit. Prof. Rose Luckin and Dr Victoria Galan-Muros are respectively experts in AI in education and on microcredentials in higher education. The insights they shared left Claire (and other Summit attendees) with a lot to contemplate.

    The website for Prof. Luckin's EDUCATE Ventures Research is: https://www.educateventures.com/

    UNESCO's Institute for Higher Education's website is: https://www.iesalc.unesco.org/en/

    Claire will publish a summary of her takeaways from the Summit on her website in the coming days at: https://clairefield.com.au/about/

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode Claire is joined by the CEO and Managing Director of Studiosity, Mike Larsen, to discuss their latest research on student wellbeing.

    The research report can be downloaded from Studiosity's website: https://www.studiosity.com/au-student-wellbeing-2024

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Peter Mackey, Executive Director of Skills and Industry Capacity, Western Parklands City Authority, NSW Department of Planning to discuss a new model of skills development delivering real results in Western Sydney.

    Crucially, as the world of work changes fast and both higher education and VET providers (and the respective VET and higher education systems) struggle to adapt and respond to the pace of change - this model allows providers to start delivering new courses a mere 4-5 months after industry first identifies a skills gap...

    This is an issue Claire has written about many times. Her latest article is at: https://clairefield.com.au/skilling-for-the-future/ and there are a number of others on the News pages of her website: https://clairefield.com.au/news/

    You can learn more about Western City Parklands Authority's:

    new Industry Skills Accelerator: https://www.wpca.sydney/our-work/industry-skills-accelerator/education partners: https://www.wpca.sydney/our-work/industry-skills-accelerator/netm-education-and-training-providers-panel/current course catalogue: https://www.wpca.sydney/our-work/industry-skills-accelerator/learners/

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast, Claire unpacks the recommendations in the Final Report of the House of Representatives’ Standing Committee on Employment, Education and Training’s Inquiry into the Perceptions and Status of VET.

    The 2023 report showing how GenAI is impacting so many of the job roles (and hence Training Packages) in Business, ICT and Finance was published by Future Skills Organisation and be downloaded from their website.

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Timmy Theopelus, Vice President Business Development and Strategic Partnerships at Axioo - part of the Indonesian technology company PT Tera Data Indonusa.

    Timmy explains why PT Tera Data developed the Axioo Class program which now operates in almost 1,000 vocational colleges in Indonesia and why the program has been recognised by the International Labour Organisation for its effectiveness.

    As Australia considers how to keep Training Packages current and how to foster closer links between industry and VET - there is a lot we can learn from this great Indonesian example of hi-tech collaboration.

    Also in recent news - two former podcast guests, AiGroup's Megan Lilly and the ACTU's Liam O'Brien, have been appointed as Deputy Chairs of the Jobs and Skills Australia Advisory Board: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/engage/about/ministerial-advisory-board

    If you want to listen back to their views - you'll find them at:

    Episode 46: (Megan Lily) https://whatnowwhatnext.buzzsprout.com/345782/8740975-the-expert-view-on-digital-transformation-and-skillsEpisode 98: (Liam O'Brien) https://whatnowwhatnext.buzzsprout.com/345782/13654759-the-actu-s-liam-o-brien-on-vet-reform-where-we-re-at-and-what-s-needed

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode Claire unpacks the recommendations of the Universities Accord Panel and the response of the key stakeholders in the sector.

    In doing so she references the following:

    The Universities Accord Panel final report: https://www.education.gov.au/australian-universities-accord/resources/final-reportMy analysis of the challenges in implementing some of the Panel's recommendations: https://clairefield.com.au/government-faces-challenges-with-the-accord-panels-report/My analysis of the challenges facing regional universities: https://clairefield.com.au/australias-regional-universities-in-the-post-covid-era/Prof. Andrew Norton's analysis: https://andrewnorton.net.au and https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/plans-for-bigger-fairer-higher-education-not-without-its-problems/news-story/3e53116b6a6965872fc3e75a404dcc66Education Ministers' Communique: https://www.education.gov.au/education-ministers-meeting/resources/education-ministers-meeting-communiqu-february-2024

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Jennie Tax, Executive Director – Education at Experience Gold Coast. Jennine shares details of the really impressive work being done by Experience Gold Coast to support all tertiary students studying on the Gold Coast including their unique Kickstart Graduate Program.

    Find out more about Experience Gold Coast at: https://experiencegoldcoast.au

    Also find out more about the latest student visa application data in this recent article from The Koala News: https://thekoalanews.com/january-visa-grant-data-is-down-down-except-bangladesh-perhaps-they-didnt-get-the-memo/

    And The Koala News also had this very good piece on the discussions the International Education Council members have been having with the Minister for Home Affairs: https://thekoalanews.com/visa-mess-on-councils-agenda/

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast, Claire was joined by Jeffrey Lehrer, National Compliance Manager at The Scout Association of Australia's RTO. He outlines why Scouts have an RTO and how both adult volunteers and young scouts benefit - as well as discussing the work being done (in Australia and internationally) to better recognise non-formal learning.

    For international listeners interested in non-formal learning and/or the Scouts movement - there are a few Australian acronyms/terms used in this episode:

    an RTO is a registered training organisation (ie a technical and vocational education and training provider regulated by government, and delivering a range of certificate and diploma courses specified by industry)a Training Package is the collection of competencies and qualifications industry representatives have told government that their workers need - and these packages are used by RTOs to ensure they deliver the right training content to learnersthe 'TAE Package' is the Training and Assessment training package which specifies the teaching and assessment competencies that educators working in the TVET sector need, andthe National Microcredential Framework details are online: https://www.education.gov.au/national-microcredentials-framework

    If there's anything I've missed in my explanation of some of the Australian-specific content then please feel free to get in contact.

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode Claire speaks with Russ Hawkins, CEO of Community Colleges Australia, about a range of VET issues.

    Find out more about what Russ and Claire discussed:

    Community Colleges Australia: https://cca.edu.au2023 CCA conference: https://cca.edu.au/what-we-do/2023-cca-annual-conference/House of Representatives Select Committee on Workforce Australia Employment Services: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Workforce_Australia_Employment_Services

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

  • In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Aurelia Eves a recent graduate of the University of Southern Queensland - who shares her experiences and ideas on what changes are needed to help rural students go back to study and transition into new careers

    Contact Claire:

    Connect with me on LinkedIn: Claire Field Follow me on Bluesky: @clairefield.bsky.social Check out the news pages on my website: clairefield.com.au Email me at: [email protected]


    The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au