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In this episode, we deep dive into the irrational world of customer behaviour with legendary behavioural economist Dan Ariely. Dan reveals why we’re all predictably wrong, how tiny invisible cues can radically change price perception, and why effort makes things feel more valuable. We also unpack the real reason people fall for misinformation, how to rebuild trust in broken industries like insurance, and why letting customers choose their own price might just be your smartest move. If you want to understand what truly drives decisions — and how to use that insight to become a better marketer — this one’s unmissable.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:50 - The story of Dan Ariely’s half beard
00:07:53 - Dan’s painful introduction into behavioural science
00:11:46 - Reaction to Jon’s house tragedy
00:15:11 - The hidden truths revealed by social science
00:21:43 - Invisible vs visible motivation
00:29:20 - How Dan would change insurance companies
00:33:30 - Lemonade insurance example
00:35:39 - Why the human brain is a vintage Swiss Army knife
00:38:08 - How context radically changes price perception (the relativity effect)
00:45:01 - Why you should let your customer choose their own price
00:47:11 - Why economists donate the least to charities
00:49:58 - Why effort greatly increases your price perception
01:00:06 - The real cause of misinformation and why it isn’t what you might think
01:12:18 - What will be Dan Ariely’s new book?
01:13:38 - Why we are so afraid of mistakes -
Rory Sutherland returns to the Uncensored CMO podcast, tackling the economic crisis with his signature wit and wisdom. As ever, he offers a refreshingly unconventional perspective on the world’s biggest problems — and marketing’s role in solving them.
In this episode, Rory explores why marketing is more like a casino than a science, how to capitalise on your competitors’ blind spots, and what his unexpected TikTok fame has taught him. Expect laughs, left-field insights, and the kind of brilliantly bizarre anecdotes only Rory can deliver.
Timestamps00:00 - Intro
01:03 - Are we looking in the wrong place for growth?
05:33 - Should we slow down our adoption of AI?
09:08 - What marketers and the police have in common
14:40 - Marketing is a casino
17:42 - The most transformative behavioural science insights
19:47 - Take what your competition are doing badly and double down on it
26:20 - Fame is a luck multiplier
32:43 - Why AO add bears to every order
37:19 - How Rory would boost growth in the economy?
47:13 - What has Rory been profoundly wrong about and why -
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Scott Galloway (Prof G) has returned to the Uncensored CMO podcast for a second time, in a special live episode. Galloway is Professor of Marketing at NYU Stern School of Business and host of the Prof G and Pivot podcasts. He joins Jon in a special live episode in London and lives up to his billing as the most uncensored guest of all time. Scott takes big swings at the advertising industry throughout the episode - despite the audience of CMOs - claiming that the days of the CMO are numbered. He continues with his damning commentary on why the era of brand is dead, why rage is the new sex, why young men are in trouble and what marketers need to do in the age of AI.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:15 - How does Scott deal with the online negativity?
09:00 - Why the CEO saviours of social media won’t be turning up
16:13 - Scott’s thoughts on the Adolescence Netflix show
23:51 - Why marketers need to do the hard things
27:56 - How does Prof G assess a business opportunity
33:36 - What corporate employees can learn from entrepreneurship
40:22 - Why the CMOs days are numbered
47:33 - How should marketers approach AI
56:06 - What things has Prof G been profoundly wrong aboutThank you to System1 for making the live event possible.
Credits
Host: Jon Evans
Executive Producer: James McKinven
Director: Kerry Collinge
Event management: Lara Zwirn, Gen Norris
Social media: Sam Price
Event graphics: Colin Jenkinson
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Live from Adobe Summit in Las Vegas, in this bonus triple header, Jon speaks with Colin Fleming (ServiceNow), Stacy Martinet (Adobe) and Billy Seabrook (IBM) about the hot topic in marketing today, AI, and what a new wave of agentic AI technology means for marketers.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:51 - Part 1: Colin Fleming
01:51 - The things people don’t understand about B2B marketing
03:32 - How AI is having an impact on marketing
05:29 - ServiceNow’s relationship with Adobe
06:21 - Advice to marketers to stay on cutting edge of AI
08:47 - Part 2: Billy Seabrook IBM
09:17 - Where are we on this AI journey
11:31 - Principles of an effective campaign using AI
13:02 - How effective has AI been for IBM
18:16 - What’s next when AI at scale becomes the norm?
21:08 - AI: a threat or an opportunity?
22:06 - Part 3: Stacy Martinet
22:33 - Stacy’s role at Adobe
23:18 - What makes great marketing for marketers?
24:12 - Communicating all the changes in marketing (specifically with AI)
25:15 - What is Agentic AI and what are it’s use cases?
28:27 - How technology is used to enhance creativity
30:31 - Tips on how to utilize agentic AI
31:43 - How to future proof our marketing
32:48 - What goes into creating an event like Adobe Summit
00:00 - Intro
00:51 - Part 1: Colin Fleming
01:51 - The things people don’t understand about B2B marketing
03:32 - How AI is having an impact on marketing
05:29 - ServiceNow’s relationship with Adobe
06:21 - Advice to marketers to stay on cutting edge of AI
08:47 - Part 2: Billy Seabrook IBM
09:17 - Where are we on this AI journey
11:31 - Principles of an effective campaign using AI
13:02 - How effective has AI been for IBM
18:16 - What’s next when AI at scale becomes the norm?
21:08 - AI: a threat or an opportunity?
22:06 - Part 3: Stacy Martinet
22:33 - Stacy’s role at Adobe
23:18 - What makes great marketing for marketers?
24:12 - Communicating all the changes in marketing (specifically with AI)
25:15 - What is Agentic AI and what are it’s use cases?
28:27 - How technology is used to enhance creativity
30:31 - Tips on how to utilize agentic AI
31:43 - How to future proof our marketing
32:48 - What goes into creating an event like Adobe Summit -
Seth Matlins is the Managing Director of the Forbes Forbes CMO Network, where he oversees the annual Forbes World's Most Influential CMOs List, the Forbes Entrepreneurial CMO 50 List, the Forbes CMO Summit, the Forbes European CMO Summit, and an expanding marketing content portfolio. Seth is an award-winning marketer, who has spent a career in and advising the C-suite of dozens of the 100 most valuable brands globally.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Seth’s new podcast
02:58 - Why are there not enough CMOs becoming CEOs
05:28 - Marketing needs much better marketing
07:36 - Seth’s career history
08:00 - Working jobs that have never existed before
11:41 - Scars from being a failed entrepreneur
13:24 - Making unexpected connections between fields
18:23 - Why organisations need to trust their marketers
20:26 - What makes a CMO influential
26:29 - Everyone is a brand manager
28:35 - How CMOs can be more influential
35:13 - The world’s most entrepreneurial CMOs
41:12 - What makes a CMO entrepreneurial
46:22 - Doing a lot with little
47:02 - What is changing for CMOs in 2025 -
Today Jon talks with Eugenia Zalis, CMO for one of the most iconic sweet brands in the world, Oreo. We talk about their "stay playful" positioning, incredible brand collaborations (with the likes of Coca-Cola and Post Malone) and some of the interesting innovations the brand has worked on.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:46 - Eugenia’s marketing journey
01:33 - What can we learn from the Unilever approach to marketing?
02:27 - How Dove turned into the brand it is today
05:42 - How Eugenia started with Oreo
06:33 - The “stay playful” positioning
09:49 - The best way to eat an Oreo cookie
11:08 - Managing a 110 year old brand
12:14 - The Oreo playbook for marketing in different regions
15:18 - Oreo’s collab with Coca-Cola
18:49 - Oreo’s approach to innovation
21:14 - System1 testing on Oreo innovations
23:40 - Innovations from around the world
25:23 - The surprising Coca-Cola collaboration
25:52 - Oreo’s SuperBowl ad in 2024
28:34 - Winning a Cannes Lion for a tweet
30:34 - Why is humour not used more
35:37 - Oreo x Post Malone collab
38:07 - Creative process for collabs
39:02 - How to lead a $4.5b organisation
43:57 - Advice to aspiring CMOs -
Cadillac is an iconic American brand who are navigating the shift to electrification in the automotive industry and have partnered up with 72andSunny to launch their brand new campaign “Let’s Take the Cadillac. So today, Melissa Grady Dias, CMO of Cadillac, and Marianne Malina, President of 72andSunny join Jon to talk about working with a new agency and launching their first campaign together.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
03:53 - Marianne’s background
06:49 - How to manage a brand like Cadillac
08:34 - How EV’s are changing the industry
13:53 - How do you change your marketing for EVs
15:08 - Insights and inception of “Let’s Take the Cadillac”
17:56 - Developing the “Let’s Take the Cadillac” campaign
21:41 - How to launch a new car
23:39 - Building the campaign for different formats
25:42 - 72andSunny and Cadillac’s first campaign together
28:11 - Challenging the conformity in car advertising
30:48 - Why brand is so important for car purchasing
32:31 - Leading the marketing agenda inside a big org like General Motors
34:24 - In car Cadillac Car-aoke
35:22 - Melissa’s song
36:13 - Coolest feature about Escalade IQ
38:37 - Creating a luxury experience
39:27 - Choosing your car as CMO of Cadillac
40:57 - Creating a premium vehicle
42:53 - Thoughts on the Escalade IQ -
Rob Mayhew joins Jon for bonus episode, talking about his big move to New York City, becoming a full-time content creator and how brands can work with creators like him effectively.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:39 - Why Rob moved to NYC
04:20 - Rob’s new YouTube show
05:47 - London vs New York for marketers
08:00 - Rob’s approach to content in 2025
11:00 - Rob’s view on the future of the social platforms
14:17 - How System1’s ad testing works
17:27 - Rob’s funniest posts on LinkedIn
18:46 - Rob’s process for making content
20:16 - Any trends that are different in the US than UK
21:43 - Thoughts on the creator economy
23:09 - The Poppi vending machine backlash
24:22 - How does Rob plan his content?
25:18 - Different audiences for TikTok and LinkedIn
25:38 - Rory Sutherland’s TikTok
26:48 - Power of B2B content creation -
Rare Beauty is a brand built on the inclusive approach to beauty set by their celebrity founder, Selena Gomez. They've taken the US market by storm and so I'm speaking to their CMO, Katie Welch, about how they've done it. From strong positioning and making a difference in mental health across their customer base to growing a strong presence on social media (with a little help from their founder with over 400m Instagram followers), Rare Beauty is a wonderful success story of a challenger brand.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:50 - Katie’s career background
07:46 - How Katie joined Rare Beauty
11:09 - The challenges of launching a startup beauty brand
14:19 - The positioning of Rare Beauty
16:21 - New guest host interruption
16:58 - Being true to the brand positioning
19:48 - Being a purpose led brand
22:47 - Addressing the pressures of social media
26:27 - Building the Rare Beauty brand on social media
28:22 - How involved does Selena Gomez get in the Rare Beauty brand
29:57 - The secret to a successful product launch for Rare Beauty
33:00 - Dealing with the growth challenges of a scale up
40:36 - Evolving the Rare Beauty community
42:24 - What’s next for the Rare Beauty brand?
42:47 - Being an entreprenuer in a startup
45:09 - Katie growing her own social accounts -
This episode is a QSR masterclass. Ken Muench is the CMO of Yum! brands, who own Taco Bell, KFC and Pizza Hut. I speak to Ken about how he started the agency that got acquired by Yum! (The Collider Lab) and his journey to being the CMO of such a large group of brands. We also talk about how all CMOs within Yum! are encouraged to swing big to make impactful campaigns and drive innovation within their brands. Ken is also the co-author of "R.E.D Marketing: The Three Ingredients of Leading Brands" which breaks down why Relevance, Ease and Distinctiveness are essential for QSR brands.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro01:07 - Ken’s career background03:44 - In-house vs agency creative06:39 - Taking bigger swings07:46 - The secret to the success of The Collider Lab12:06 - Food is fuel vs experience14:42 - Why Ken wrote the book: R.E.D Marketing17:29 - The R.E.D framework20:51 - How brands grow23:58 - Why “ease” is an untapped opportunity for marketers28:26 - The power of distinctive assets30:31 - Changing the Taco Bell strapline to Live Mas!32:52 - How Yum! brands approach innovation37:14 - How Yum! brands innovation scored41:29 - What happens when innovation goes wrong44:10 - Saucy by KFC47:47 - The innovators dilemma49:44 - Taking chances: KFC FCK campaign51:48 - Ken’s favourite moments as Yum! CMO53:01 - How to be a successful CMO at such a large brand55:44 - What makes a great CMO -
Marcel Marcondes is the CMO of AB InBev, who run the largest portfolio of beer brands in the world. Stella Artois, Corona, Michelob Ultra and Budweiser are all under the marketing leadership of Marcel. Through creativity and consistency, AB InBev have produced some of the most effective campaigns of the past few years, often topping out the System1 charts. This has led to Marcel and his team to win some incredible awards, including WFA marketer of the year (Marcel) and most effective marketer of the year by the Effies (AB InBev).
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:48 - Marcel’s journey to running the biggest portfolio in the world
03:51 - The global beer brands Marcel oversees
04:27 - How to manage such a large portfolio of brands
07:04 - Being the most effective marketing team for the past 3 years
09:39 - The Olympics partnership
13:08 - How important is creativity to deliver effectiveness
16:35 - How to demonstrate the power of marketing internally
18:10 - Why campaign consistency is so important for AB InBev
21:25 - The most effective ad by AB InBev
22:39 - Having 4 brands with Super Bowl ads
24:53 - Stella Artois 2025 Super Bowl ad with David Beckham
30:20 - Michelob Ultra at Super Bowl
33:29 - Executing a campaign across platforms
36:18 - The relationship with creative agencies
40:07 - Marcel’s advice to CMOs -
I think one of the biggest problems facing us today is the amount of distraction in our lives. Social media feeds, unnecessary meetings, huge inboxes full of emails you didn't really need. All these things are grabbing our attention and taking us away from doing what we're supposed to be doing.
In this episode I'm talking to Nir Eyal, who's the author of a brilliant book called Indistractable, which is all about how we can reclaim our attention to focus our energy around the things that really matter. Now, as marketers, we can have a massive impact on our brands and our business, if only we can focus our time and effort on the right things. So Nir is uncovering all the tips and tricks for how to do that and how to make sure you're more productive and less distracted.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro05:12 What is the source of distraction07:06 How to deal with the internal triggers12:50 Turning your values into time 18:14 Multi channel multitasking20:06 Why we need to change meeting culture26:20 Building a culture of indistraction in an organization32:20 Imposter syndrome34:53 Our perception of our quality of sleep38:03 Luck is a belief set42:12 Marketers are bad judges of marketing44:06 Why successful people get more successful -
The Super Bowl is the biggest advertising event of the year, with the biggest brands in the world flexing their advertising muscles (and budgets). A new entrant to the Super Bowl in 2024 was Pfizer, and they're back again this year with an ad that has blown the socks off the Pharma category. Their big game ad "Knock Out", scored 4.4 stars in System1 testing, also making it one of the best ads overall. I speak with Pfizer CMO, Susan Rienow about what it takes to create such a successful ad in the most competitive environment.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:20 - Susan’s successful career so far
03:19 - What Pfizer does and their mission
04:21 - The Covid vaccine rollout
06:29 - The role of insights for making business decisions
07:36 - Dealing with the complexities of different audiences
10:12 - Managing the impact of fair balance in advertising
14:51 - The role of Pfizer’s advertising
17:04 - Why have Pfizer gone all in with a Super Bowl ad
20:12 - The Pfizer Super Bowl ad in 2025
25:20 - What role does testing play for creating an effective ad
33:31 - The role of testing giving confidence to the board
37:39 - How tiny changes can make such a big difference
39:15 - How to evaluate the impact of a Super Bowl ad
41:22 - What makes a great CMO
46:40 - Advice Susan would give to young marketers -
Today Jon sits down with Benjamin Braun, CMO at Samsung Europe, for a fascinating conversation that spans from innovative tech demos to Olympic marketing strategies. Benjamin shares insights on Samsung's role as a 40-year Olympic sponsor, demonstrates the latest AI capabilities in Samsung devices, and discusses how the company balances long-term brand building with short-term sales goals. The conversation takes a personal turn as Benjamin opens up about his experience with dyslexia and how neurodiversity can be a strength in business leadership. From product innovation to marketing effectiveness in the boardroom, this episode offers a glimpse into the mind of one of Europe's leading CMOs and the future of consumer technology.
Timestamps
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:50 - Why podcasts are now video
00:03:54 - Samsung’s approach to AI products
00:12:21 - Showing Samsung’s AI photo editing features
00:15:20 - The Samsung Galaxy Ring and the health benefits of tech
00:20:35 - The history of Samsung
00:22:47 - How Samsung have innovated in TV’s
00:27:37 - Having products across all price points
00:29:11 - What can marketers learn from being a Police Officer?
00:36:17 - The mini max approach to marketing
00:42:13 - Samsung sponsoring the Olympics
00:49:18 - The best Samsung ads
00:55:56 - How to be an effective CMO in a large organisation
01:00:37 - Put your CFO and CEO in the shoes of the customer
01:07:22 - How Benjamin manages his dyslexia as a CMO -
Dr Karen Nelson Field is a multiple returning guest to the podcast, talking about her book "The Attention Economy: A Category Blueprint" which takes an in-depth look into the dynamic world of marketing and advertising, unveiling the pivotal role that human attention measurement plays in the present and future landscape. In this episode we discuss the history of attention, how the platforms are manipulating our attention, why not all reach is equal, and, ultimately, what we can do about it.
00:00 - Intro
00:49 - Karen’s new book
01:42 - The history of attention
03:20 - The case for attention
04:17 - The difference between active and passive attention
09:37 - Linking attention to memory
11:30 - Linking attention to advertising outcomes
14:12 - The concept of attention elasticity
15:17 - How platforms are manipulating our attention
17:51 - How to measure attention
20:10 - Seen vs served
25:22 - How is the industry progressing?
27:21 - Is there a new metric we can use in place of CPM?
29:10 - How to buy media based on attention
31:25 - Karen’s new course
32:31 - How is Amplified Intelligence going -
In this episode I'm joined by Allison Ellsworth, founder of the fastest growing beverage brand in the US, Poppi.
Poppi was started as Mother Beverage in 2018 (a nod to the raw, unfiltered apple cider vinegar used in the drink) but was rebranded after featuring on Shark Tank in the same year. Now, it's one of the biggest soda brands in the US, outselling Coke and Pepsi on Amazon. I speak to Allison about the journey of creating the brand, how influential TikTok was for their growth, their merch strategy and how they ended up buying a Super Bowl ad. This is a fascinating account of how a challenger brand can disrupt an industry in such a small period of time.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
02:08 - Allison’s experience on Shark Tank
05:56 - Funding and rebrand of Poppi
10:36 - Launching the brand during COVID
11:06 - Outselling Coke and Pepsi on Amazon
12:33 - How big is the impact of Shark Tank
13:45 - Growing the brand on social media
17:02 - The influencer and social first marketing strategy
19:45 - How Poppi’s marketing popup worked
22:05 - Why Poppi invested in merch and launching in Target
24:36 - Choosing which flavours to launch with Poppi
28:04 - Approach to retail and growth
29:27 - Breaking into a competitive market
30:29 - Poppi’s Super Bowl campaign
35:30 - The journey from 2 to 200 employees
40:18 - How Allison hires at Poppi
42:05 - The hardest part of the journey at Poppi
44:07 - How Allison would start a new startup today -
Mr Bates vs The Post Office is a the most watched drama on ITV of all time. It's the extraordinary story of the greatest miscarriage of justice in British legal history, where hundreds of innocent sub-postmasters and postmistresses were wrongly accused of theft, fraud and false accounting due to a defective IT system. I speak to the producer of the show, Patrick Spence, to get a behind the scenes look at the drama, how it was discovered, how it was made and why the country rallied around Mr Bates.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
01:09 - The story of Mr Bates
05:33 - Having the film commissioned by ITV
08:59 - How true was the drama
12:04 - How big was the cover up at the Post Office
14:12 - How did this scandal happen
17:21 - Why some people pleaded guilty
19:36 - How has the show impacted real people
22:08 - Why no one has received compensation yet
24:46 - What awards has the show won
26:24 - The reaction from Fujitsu and the Post Office
31:53 - How has the drama translated globally? -
Mark Abraham leads Boston Consulting Group’s Marketing, Sales & Pricing practice in North America. He also launched and leads the firm’s personalization capability. He has built some of the firm’s largest ventures and AI platforms, including Fabriq Personalization AI by BCG X, a personalization platform that accelerates personalization.
Mark coauthored the book Personalized: Customer Strategy in the Age of AI, which helps executives learn how to put personalization at the center of their strategy, accelerate growth, and capture their share of the $2 trillion personalization prize.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:49 - Why 2025 is the year of personalisation at scale
01:38 - When personalisation goes wrong
06:04 - Consumer data on our openness to personalisation
07:48 - The $2 trillion opportunity
10:08 - Who is doing personalisation well
14:27 - The competitive advantage of speed and scale
15:50 - How AI is driving personalisation forward
24:15 - The 5 areas to build the framework for personalisation
26:49 - How do you get information about your customer
31:53 - What is the most useful intelligence to gather
37:43 - How to make mass campaigns more targeted
42:36 - Some of the barriers to personalisation
50:19 - Why companies need to embrace AI
53:25 - Parting advice to people on implementing personalisation -
It's our annual tradition to bring Sarah Carter and Les Binet, authors of How Not To Plan, onto the podcast to discuss the hot topics of the year and what marketers need to know in 2025. We've broken this episode into 8 key discussion points, including why consistent advertising is so effective, why the era of purpose is over and another year of the advertising industry needing to remember they are not the customer.
00:00:00 - Intro
00:00:55 - Reflecting on the agency’s year
00:05:25 - Point 1: You are not the customer
00:19:51 - Point 2: Ignore Price at your peril
00:26:13 - Point 3: Consistency but not a lack of creativity
00:42:08 - Point 4: Never forget the eyeballs
00:50:48 - Point 5: Emotions aren’t just about making people cry
00:55:08 - Point 6: Is the era of purpose over?
01:00:38 - Point 7: Don’t just be in culture, stay in culture
01:03:48 - Point 8: Don’t forget the power of Out of Home -
Ed Smith leads the Amazon mass marketing team in Europe. In this episode we talk about how Amazon create such emotional advertising, how they make such huge decisions in their marketing and what Ed thinks about consistency within the Amazon brand.
Timestamps
00:00 - Intro
00:48 - The top selling Amazon products at Christmas
02:53 - Ed’s career journey to Amazon
09:08 - Amazon’s sledging grannies campaign (age representation)
14:49 - Why is Amazon’s advertising emotional
21:10 - Being consistent with your brand
24:39 - How Amazon make big decisions
28:27 - Managing the demand side of Amazon
29:30 - Amazon’s sustainability pledge
35:12 - The role of influencers at Amazon
38:56 - Culture at Amazon
46:42 - Ed’s marketing predictions for 2025 - Visa fler
