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    In this episode, we delve into the tender and complex topic of grief, how the mind often struggles to comprehend the depth of grief, and the overwhelming emotions that accompany it.

    We begin by examining the first stage of grief, denial, as outlined by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, and how different ego types may experience grief in varied ways. Dr. Joe shares his personal experiences with grief, particularly the loss of his two children, and emphasizes that grief is not something that can be fully healed or resolved but rather something we learn to carry with us.

    The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing the soul qualities that we may have lost contact with during our grief. We discuss how these qualities can serve as a healing balm, allowing us to express our feelings and acknowledge our significance in the face of loss.

    Dr. Joe recounts his journey of rediscovering his soul child through creative expression, specifically through drawing mandalas during therapy sessions. This practice not only helped him cope with his grief but also fostered a deeper connection with his clients, illustrating the unity of suffering that exists among us all.

    As we reflect on the nature of grief, we acknowledge the commonality of suffering and the importance of being present for one another. We encourage our listeners to consider where in their lives their minds may be working hard to understand or manage something that instead calls for presence and compassion.

    Thank you for joining us in this heartfelt discussion. We hope it resonates with those who may be navigating their own grief and loss.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, I, we explore the fascinating topic of the head center of intelligence and look into how our thoughts shape our identity and experience. We discuss the profound question of who we are beyond our thoughts, emphasizing that our true essence lies in our soul, which transcends the ego-driven narratives we often find ourselves caught in.

    Dr. Joe shares insights from his paper on the head center, explaining that many people mistakenly identify with their thoughts, while in reality, we are much more than that. He introduces the concept of "soul language," which communicates through impressions rather than words, allowing for a deeper knowing that guides our actions.

    Scott adds to the conversation by highlighting how our culture often prioritizes doing over being, leading us to become overly attached to our thoughts. We reflect on the importance of reconnecting with our soul child—the innocent part of ourselves that remains connected to the divine—and how this connection can help us navigate life with more grace and presence.

    Throughout the episode, we share personal anecdotes and practical strategies for tapping into our soul child, such as dedicating time for reflection and using tangible reminders from our past. We also address the challenges faced by those with difficult childhoods, emphasizing the importance of seeking professional help for trauma before embarking on the journey of self-discovery.

    As we conclude, we invite our listeners to engage in a reflective inquiry about where they rely on thought for safety and meaning, and what might be possible if they allowed a deeper intelligence to emerge. Thank you for joining us, and we hope you find inspiration in this exploration of the head center of intelligence.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the heart center of intelligence within the Enneagram framework. We explore the significance of emotional intelligence, particularly how it relates to our experiences and interactions in the world.

    Scott, a type five, shares his journey of reconnecting with his emotions, emphasizing the importance of feeling and accepting our feelings rather than analyzing them solely from the head. He discusses how this process began with grounding himself in his body and learning to embrace his heart's intelligence.

    We also touch on the societal conditioning that often discourages us from expressing, or even feeling, our emotions, leading to a disconnect from our true feelings. Joe adds depth to our conversation by distinguishing between egoic emotional intelligence and the deeper, soul-level emotional intelligence that fosters genuine healing and connection.

    As we reflect on the nature of relationships, we highlight the difference between seeking someone to complete us versus finding a partner who complements our wholeness. We emphasize the importance of nurturing love at a soul level, which allows for vulnerability and support in our relationships.

    In closing, I offer a prayer for our listeners, encouraging them to remember their holy origin and to let go of the need to earn love through ego-driven strategies. We invite you to engage in self-inquiry, pondering where in your life you may still be seeking validation and what it would look like to embrace love simply as you are. Thank you for joining us today!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we kick off the new year by discussing aims, how telling the truth can be an essential spiritual practice, and the importance of honoring the humanity of others even when we disagree with them. We hope you find some useful insights in today's episode, and Happy New Year!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we continue our heart series, diving deeper into the theme of healing the heart. We explore the complexities of the heart's emotional landscape, including its capacity for both tenderness and turmoil. We also discuss the concept of emotional self-regulation and how the heart can be affected by negative passions such as envy, pride, and shame, particularly in the context of Enneagram types two, three, and four.

    Joe shares insights on the Enneagram's understanding of passions, which correlate with the seven deadly sins, and how these passions can dominate our emotional experiences. We emphasize the importance of recognizing these patterns as the first step toward healing. Scott reflects on his personal journey of navigating anxiety and the walls he built around his heart for self-protection, highlighting the necessity of extending grace and love to ourselves and others.

    Throughout the conversation, we touch on the significance of equanimity and groundedness in achieving emotional balance. We encourage our listeners to consider how they can let the divine regulate their emotions and restore balance within, especially during challenging times. As we wrap up this episode, we remind our audience that healing the heart is a divine work that requires community support and self-compassion.

    As we take a break for the holiday season, we express our gratitude for our listeners and invite them to stay connected through our website and social media. We look forward to returning in the new year with more enriching discussions. Thank you for joining us!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the profound topic of the heart's intelligence and its role in awakening compassion within us. We explore how our heartstrings serve as a moral compass, guiding us toward empathy and understanding, especially in today's challenging world.

    Joe shares a poignant personal story from his childhood that illustrates the moment he first became aware of his heart's guidance, emphasizing the importance of listening to our hearts. We discuss the historical origins of the term "heartstrings" and how it has evolved to represent the emotional connections we feel.

    Scott reflects on his journey of reconnecting with his heart after struggling with anxiety and depression, highlighting how an open heart can serve as a portal to sensitivity and connection with others. We emphasize the significance of being present and vulnerable in our relationships, as true connection requires mutual respect and empathy.

    Throughout our conversation, we touch on the importance of seeing and acknowledging the humanity in others, especially in a world where many feel unseen. We conclude with an inquiry for our listeners to reflect on: "When your heartstrings are pulled, what truth about love or justice is your heart trying to reveal to you?"

    Join us as we explore the depths of the heart's wisdom and the transformative power of compassion in our lives. Thank you for listening!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we continue our two-part series on overcoming obstacles and challenges in life, focusing specifically on the obstacles posed by our own ego. We delve into the teachings of George Gurdjieff and the concept of the "fourth way," which emphasizes the importance of the soul in navigating our three centers of intelligence: the head, heart, and body.

    We discuss how the ego seeks control, validation, and security through these centers, but ultimately, these pursuits are fleeting and illusory. Instead, we explore how love—the universal law—infuses our experiences and helps us transcend the limitations of the ego. We reflect on the idea that true security and validation come from a connection to the divine, rather than external circumstances.

    Throughout the conversation, we emphasize the importance of personal responsibility and the need to view obstacles as opportunities for growth and learning. We also touch on the role of mindfulness and spiritual practices in helping us recognize our triggers and reconnect with the divine love that sustains us.

    As we wrap up, we invite our listeners to reflect on the obstacles in their own lives and consider what truths they may reveal about their hearts. Thank you for joining us, and we hope you find inspiration in this exploration of love, ego, and personal growth.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the theme of obstacles and how they can serve as profound teachers for our souls. We explore the idea that obstacles, while challenging, can lead to personal growth and deeper understanding.

    Dr. Joe shares a personal story from his journey through a PhD program in clinical psychology, highlighting a particularly daunting course in multivariate statistical analysis. He reflects on how he initially felt overwhelmed but ultimately found solace in the belief that if it was meant for him, the divine would help him overcome this obstacle. This led to a surprising outcome on his final exam, which he describes as a spiritual event that reinforced his calling to serve others.

    We discuss how obstacles can help us clarify our true desires and aspirations, emphasizing that they often prompt us to ask what we genuinely want in life. The conversation also touches on the collective obstacles faced by society, suggesting that these challenges can lead to greater truths and understanding.

    Additionally, we introduce the concept of the "trickster," an archetype that can lead us to confront our own truths, often through moments of humiliation or unexpected realizations. We also address the inner critic, a common obstacle that many face, and emphasize the importance of seeking support to overcome its harsh judgments.

    As we wrap up, we invite our listeners to reflect on a thought-provoking question: "When you face an obstacle, how does your heart receive love instead of shame?" We hope this episode inspires you to view obstacles as opportunities for growth and deeper connection with your true self. Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to continuing this conversation in our next episode!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the profound topic of peace, its connection to our soul child and how our early experiences shape our understanding of peace and how our ego can often lead us away from it.

    Joe shares insights from his daily reflections, emphasizing that while life can be fraught with anxiety and conflict, our essence is inherently tied to peace, which is a quality of the soul. We discuss how each Enneagram type has its unique fixation that can obscure the peace that is already within us.

    Scott reflects on his personal journey, highlighting the importance of self-love and acceptance in overcoming self-criticism, which can block our access to peace. We also touch on the significance of spiritual practices in reconnecting with our divine origin and embodying true peace rather than merely conceptualizing it.

    To conclude, we invite our listeners to engage in a reflective inquiry: "What is it about love that makes you feel most alive? And how might embodying that love bring greater peace into your life and your relationships?" We hope this episode inspires you to reconnect with your inner peace and the love that flows through you. Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to our next conversation!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the profound topic of peace, a universal desire that transcends all Enneagram types and explore how peace is not merely a reaction to our circumstances but a deeper quality of the soul that can be accessed regardless of external chaos.

    We begin by discussing Viktor Frankl's insights from his book Man's Search for Meaning, highlighting how he maintained a sense of peace even in the most horrific conditions of the Holocaust. This leads us to reflect on our own lives, where many of us struggle with anxiety and anger in response to the turmoil around us. Joe shares a personal story about losing his job and how he and his wife cultivated peace through gratitude, transforming their kitchen into a reminder of what they still had.

    Scott adds to the conversation by emphasizing the importance of being present and how peace cannot be imposed but rather is an emergent quality. We discuss the challenges each Enneagram type faces in maintaining peace and the practices that can help, such as self-inquiry and mindfulness.

    As we wrap up, we encourage our listeners to consider how they can cultivate peace in their own lives and relationships, especially in a world filled with conflict. We close with an inquiry for reflection: "How might you use your body, your breath, your posture, your stillness, as a doorway back to peace when your type's ego pattern disrupts it?"

    Thank you for joining us today, and we hope this discussion inspires you to seek and nurture peace within yourself and your communities.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we continue our exploration of the three levels of soul development, focusing on the concept of the palpable soul. We delve into the significance of the I-Thou relationship, as introduced by theologian Martin Buber, which emphasizes honoring the soul of another person rather than merely engaging with their ego.

    We reflect on our previous discussions about the obscured and emerging souls, noting how the obscured soul often views the world in a dualistic manner, while the emerging soul begins to experience moments of self-remembering and connection with others. Dr. Howell shares personal anecdotes about palpable souls he has encountered, highlighting the deep sense of love and spiritual hospitality they exude.

    Scott emphasizes the importance of embodiment practices in developing our soulality, suggesting that awareness of our energy and presence can help us navigate our spiritual journeys. We discuss the necessity of community in soul development, recognizing that while individual practices are valuable, true growth often occurs in relationship with others.

    As we conclude, we reflect on the hope we find in the growing awareness of spirituality in the world today, particularly through practices like yoga and meditation. We invite our listeners to engage with our community at the Institute for Conscious Being, encouraging them to explore their own paths toward soul development. Thank you for joining us in this enlightening conversation!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we continue our exploration of the three major levels of soul development as outlined in Dr. Joseph Howell's book, Know Your Soul, and we dive deeper into the concepts of the obscured soul and the emerging soul.

    We begin by summarizing the obscured soul, which represents the starting point of many individuals on their spiritual journey. This stage is likened to a moon hidden by clouds, where the soul exists but is obscured by the unchecked ego. We discuss how suffering often prompts individuals to seek relief, leading them to uncover their true essence.

    Next, we explore the emerging soul, which signifies a shift towards consciousness. This stage involves recognizing one's fixation and its impact on life, ultimately leading to a desire for peace and connection with the soul. We reflect on how our early experiences of love and peace shape our understanding of what it means to live authentically.

    Scott shares insights on the struggle between ego and soul, emphasizing the importance of choice in our daily lives. We discuss the challenges of navigating this conflict and the significance of surrendering to the soul, especially during times of crisis. The conversation touches on the cultural context that often prioritizes ego over soul, highlighting the need for a collective shift towards deeper spiritual awareness.

    Throughout the episode, we emphasize the role of relationships in soul development. We discuss how emerging souls can support those in the obscured stage by sharing their experiences and being present for others. The importance of genuine connection and the power of presence in conversations are underscored as vital practices for fostering understanding and healing.

    As we wrap up, we acknowledge the ongoing journey of soul development and the hope that comes from recognizing our shared humanity. We invite listeners to reflect on their own experiences and consider how they can contribute to a more soulful world. Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to continuing this important conversation in our next episode.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the concept of soul development, a central theme from the book Know Your Soul. We explore the three major levels of soul development, starting with the first level, which we refer to as the "obscured soul."

    Dr. Howell shares insights on how this level represents an unawakened state, where distractions, ego, and various fears obscure our true essence. He emphasizes that many people live in this obscured state, unaware of the beauty and potential of their souls. We discuss how suffering often acts as a catalyst for awakening, prompting individuals to question their assumptions and seek deeper understanding.

    The conversation touches on the role of the "trickster," a concept introduced by Carl Jung, which highlights how our subconscious can push us to confront our inner challenges. Both Scott and Dr. Howell share personal experiences of how anxiety and suffering have led them to explore their souls more deeply, ultimately recognizing that true peace and joy come from connecting with our inner selves rather than clinging to ego-driven pursuits.

    As we wrap up, we acknowledge that while the journey of soul development is ongoing, glimpses of our true selves can provide hope and encouragement. We look forward to continuing this discussion in our next episode, where we will explore the next level of soul development, the "emerging soul." Thank you for joining us today, and we hope you found value in our conversation.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we had the pleasure of welcoming our friend and local sound healer, Danielle Hall, the founder of Sound Embrace. Danielle shared her inspiring journey from a career in commercial photography to discovering the transformative power of sound healing after facing significant health challenges.

    She opened up about her skepticism towards alternative therapies and how a health crisis at the age of 28 led her to explore new avenues for wellness, ultimately guiding her to sound healing. Danielle explained what a sound bath is and how it can help individuals regulate their nervous systems, reduce stress, and facilitate their own healing.

    Throughout our conversation, we discussed the importance of curiosity in exploring health and wellness, and how sound healing can create a space for individuals to connect with their inner selves. Danielle emphasized that sound healing is not just about spirituality; it can also be a scientific approach to well-being that anyone can benefit from, regardless of their beliefs.

    We also touched on the emotional responses that can arise during sound baths, highlighting that these experiences are opportunities for self-discovery and healing. Danielle shared her personal experience of overcoming a car accident that injured her and destroyed her crystal singing bowls, illustrating her resilience and commitment to her practice.

    As we wrapped up, Danielle provided insights on how sound healing helps individuals connect with their souls by fostering presence and awareness in a fast-paced world. We encourage our listeners to explore her work through her website, Sound Embrace, and to consider participating in her sound healing sessions or certification programs.

    Thank you for joining us in this enlightening conversation, and we hope you feel inspired to embrace curiosity in your own journey!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we had the pleasure of welcoming Dr. Jennifer Joss, a psychologist and leadership coach who has been using the Enneagram in her work for many years. Dr. Joss shared her journey with the Enneagram, which began in 1993, and her recent deep dive into understanding the Enneagram symbol itself.

    She discussed how her exploration was sparked by a transformative experience during a workshop led by Uranio Paes, where she felt a profound connection to the Enneagram as a map for personal and spiritual growth. Dr. Joss emphasized the importance of the Enneagram's three laws— the law of one, the law of three, and the law of seven— and how they reflect universal patterns of creation and renewal.

    Throughout our conversation, we explored the idea that the Enneagram is not just a tool for understanding personality types but a deeper symbol that can guide us toward wholeness and integration. Dr. Joss highlighted the significance of holding paradoxes and the necessity of coming apart in order to experience a new level of being.

    We also touched on her coaching approach, which she describes as hermetic philosophy, focusing on distilling truths from various spiritual and philosophical traditions. Dr. Joss expressed her desire to create a workbook to make her insights more accessible and practical for those looking to navigate their own journeys.

    This episode was rich with insights and reflections on how the Enneagram can serve as a powerful tool for personal transformation and understanding our interconnectedness. We hope you enjoy this enlightening discussion and find inspiration in Dr. Joss's journey and insights.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we continue to delve into the theme of "Know Your Soul," exploring the profound benefits of understanding our deeper selves, beyond the confines of our surface personalities. Joined by my co-hosts Scott Smith and Dr. Joseph Howell, we discuss the pervasive divisiveness in today's world, particularly in the realms of politics and personal relationships.

    We reflect on how our egos often trap us in cycles of judgment and conflict, making it challenging to engage with those who hold differing views. Joe shares a personal story about overcoming his ego's resistance to connect with someone who had harmed his family, illustrating the power of approaching others from a place of soul rather than ego.

    Throughout our conversation, we emphasize the importance of curiosity and receptivity in our interactions. We highlight that true listening involves being open to being changed by others, fostering empathy and understanding even in the most volatile discussions.

    Ultimately, we recognize the power of being present and reverent to one another and open in our interactions, even when faced with challenging perspectives. Our hope is that by embracing these principles, together, we can contribute to a more peaceful and compassionate world. Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to continuing this journey of consciousness together.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we had the pleasure of speaking with Kate Finlayson, actor, and creator of Dancing the Enneagram and UnDance. Kate shared her transformative journey, which began in Hollywood as an actor and evolved through her experiences with the Enneagram, Nia, dance, and various healing practices.

    Kate recounted her introduction to the Enneagram in 1996 and how it profoundly impacted her relationships. She emphasized the importance of integrating physical movement and music with the Enneagram types, which she now teaches through her unique dance movement classes called UnDance. These classes focus on helping individuals connect with their bodies and emotions, allowing for a deeper experience of their authentic selves.

    Throughout our conversation, Kate reflected on her healing journey, discussing the challenges of chronic pain and how movement has played a crucial role in her recovery. She highlighted the significance of being present in the body and the balance between the head, heart, and body centers of intelligence in the Enneagram.

    We also explored the evolution of Kate's acting career, noting how her approach to theater has changed since embracing the Enneagram and embodiment practices. She now experiences a greater sense of freedom and connection with her audience, focusing on the joy of sharing stories rather than seeking validation.

    Kate's insights into the Enneagram, healing, and the power of movement were both inspiring and enlightening. We are grateful for her presence and the wisdom she shared, and we look forward to having her back on the podcast in the future.

    Thank you for joining us today, and we hope you found this episode as enriching as we did!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we welcomed back our own Reverend Dr. Drexel Rayford, a senior faculty member at the Institute for Conscious Being. Our conversation centered around the discipline of silence and its profound role in contemplation, as well as the tenacity of the ego and its resistance to what it perceives as its diminishment.

    Drexel shared a poignant story from his graduate school days that highlighted the essence of spiritual maturity, emphasizing the importance of humility and the acknowledgment of not knowing. We explored how silence can create space for the soul to flourish, allowing us to listen to a deeper presence beyond our constant thoughts and ego-driven chatter.

    We also delved into the complexities of self-forgiveness, discussing how the ego often struggles to see itself as part of the problem in interpersonal conflicts. Drexel reflected on his own journey of understanding and forgiving himself for past actions, recognizing that we are all shaped by our experiences and the systems around us.

    Throughout the episode, we highlighted the contrast between the ego's judgment and the soul's curiosity, encouraging listeners to embrace their shadows and the interconnectedness of our human experiences. Drexel's insights reminded us that true spiritual growth comes from surrendering control and allowing our souls to guide us toward healing and authenticity.

    We hope you find this conversation as enriching as we did, and we invite you to join us in exploring these themes further in your own lives. Thank you for listening!

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the theme of meditation, specifically focusing on a "know-your-soul" meditation. Joe shares his insights on the importance of understanding our essence and soul, emphasizing that our true identity goes beyond the mind.

    We discuss Joe's personal journey with meditation, recalling his first experience at a study group during his time as a graduate student at Yale. He reflects on how meditation has transformed his life, allowing him to find stillness amidst the chaos of daily life.

    Joe also touches on Heartfulness meditation, a practice that emphasizes the heart as the primary organ for connecting with our soul. He recounts his experiences at an ashram in India, where he learned this unique approach to meditation.

    Before guiding us through a meditation session, Joe offers valuable advice for those new to meditation or returning after a break. He encourages a gentle approach, emphasizing relaxation and the importance of being present without expectations.

    We conclude the episode with a guided meditation that invites listeners to connect with their inner selves, embodying aspects such as compassion, creativity, wisdom, and joy. This meditation serves as a reminder of the wholeness and serenity that can be accessed through mindful practice.

    Thank you for joining us today! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with your friends and family.

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    In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we delve into the profound ways the Enneagram can help us understand our souls during moments of daily struggle. Co-hosts Dr. Joe Howell, Nanette Mudiam, and Scott Smith discuss how, while many people are drawn to the Enneagram through a critical mass of suffering, the Enneagram is also brilliant at helping us navigate the smaller, day to day challenges that life throws at us.

    We explore these everyday challenges that can lead to small sufferings, such as losing keys or dealing with family dynamics, and how these situations can trigger our ego patterns. Dr. Joe shares a personal story about losing his keys at the gym, illustrating how stress can cloud our judgment and lead us to blame others or ourselves. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing the ego's narratives and how they can distort our perception of reality.

    The conversation shifts to how the soul can guide us through these challenges by encouraging us to ask what we can learn from our experiences. We discuss the significance of virtues and holy ideas in helping us respond to life's difficulties with awareness and compassion, rather than falling back into our ego's traps.

    Ultimately, we remind our listeners that the Enneagram is not just a tool for understanding ourselves but a means to navigate the complexities of daily life with greater consciousness. We hope this episode inspires you to apply the wisdom of the Enneagram in your own daily struggles and to recognize the opportunities for growth that lie within them. Thank you for joining us!

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