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“Coffee time” is over, so you polish off the rest of your beer, grab your bags of bolts, begin your climb up the column and step out to “walk the iron” 20 stories above the ground - all without a hard hat, a harness, or any means of being “tied off”. The world of high-rise ironwork has evolved considerably over the years, and today’s guest is here to provide his eyewitness account of it all.
In today’s exhilarating episode of The Adrenaline Zone, listeners are immersed in the captivating world of high-rise ironwork through the eyes of seasoned veteran, John Steinmetz. Boasting an impressive 40-year career in this daring profession, John shares details of his journey into ironworking, which is rooted in a strong family connection, and which unfolds as a thrilling tale of courage and resilience. The episode delves into a number of fascinating themes, from the challenges and risks of working at dizzying heights to the evolution of safety measures and training, the intricacies of assembling skyscrapers, and the camaraderie shared among ironworkers that resembles a second family. He also shares humorous anecdotes from his long and storied career, highlighting the importance of adaptability and problem-solving in this physically demanding field. As Season 5 of The Adrenaline Zone draws to a close here today, join Sandy, Sandra, and John to discover the awe-inspiring world of ironworking and the relentless dedication it entails. Don't miss this heart-pounding discussion that will definitely take you to new heights!
Episode Highlights:
John’s road to the construction industry
How tall structures are built
Getting used to working high up
The risks involved and how they are mitigated
The training involved
Some of John’s close calls over the years
Working in a confined space
The metal that John has in him
Dealing with a variety of weather conditions
The family-like nature of working with others in construction
The evolution of safety procedures over the years
Ensuring quality and timely work
Dealing with designers and engineers
Some of John’s funnier stories from his career
The impact of technology on his work
John’s advice for those considering a career like his
The highest John has ever walked on a beam
His favorite building that he worked on
Quotes:
"In our business, gravity is your worst enemy."
"I'll probably remember my first and my last."
"You have to be geared for it. It's not a lazy man's job."
"When it looks good on paper, it doesn't always work in real life."
"People say that artificial intelligence is going to take away a lot of jobs, but they're white-collar jobs, not your job."
"Just close your eyes and wait till the ride stops."
"Each general contractor has an outside inspection agency, a third party who comes in behind us and checks to make sure…everything is done in accordance to the specs."
"You never want the crane to stop."
“I would still do it all over again if I was given the opportunity. I made a good living at it, I've always stayed busy, and the union treated me very well.”
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Your car comes to a halt at a border checkpoint, guard dogs barking, the guards themselves talking over each other, and now one of them is about to open the car’s trunk, searching for stowaways or anything even remotely suspicious. Will he discover your husband and sleeping daughter carefully hidden behind the seats? Will your painstaking plan to defect from Cold War-era Soviet Union end in unspeakable disaster?
Olga Sheymov hails from St. Petersburg, Russia, where, after pursuing an engineering degree, she joined the Central Institute for Information. Post-graduation, she found herself amidst a tense KGB situation during her involvement with a Canadian delegation at the Student Olympic Games in Russia. However, fate intervened as she crossed paths with her future husband, Victor Sheymov, a charismatic young man who played a pivotal role in their eventual escape from the Soviet Union. Since settling in the US, Olga has graduated from the Georgia Institute of Technology-College of Architecture with a Bachelor of Science, Industrial and Product Design, and is currently a versatile artist, engineer, and television producer.
Today, she joins Sandy and Sandra to recount the thrilling Cold War saga of her daring escape from the Soviet Union with her husband and daughter. She delves into life behind the Iron Curtain, the relentless pursuit of the KGB, and the meticulously planned escape involving the CIA. From Olga's childhood memories in the Soviet Union to their heart-pounding escape and the challenges of adapting to American life, this story of courage and audacity provides a shining example of the resilience of the human spirit in the face of adversity.
Episode Highlights:
Growing up in the Soviet Union under the communist regime
The KGB’s interest in Olga working with them
Olga’s husband Victor
What prompted them to leave the Soviet Union
The challenge in contacting American officials
Keeping their desire to defect secret
Creating their escape plan and ensuring its confidentiality
The CIA’s involvement in their plan
The level of stress involved in planning and executing the plan
Olga’s retelling of the actual escape
Getting to the United States
Victor’s trip to China
Going into hiding in the US
Olga’s biggest surprise about life in the US
How she ended up at Georgia Tech
Quotes:
"The fact that we were able to get through was a miracle."
"We had to look at everything with the mindset of an investigator, and that's what he did."
"We rarely make mistakes in analysis. We usually make them in assumptions.”
"If you start allowing yourself doubts, you cannot succeed."
"We were in a crazy place because we didn't know if someone was watching us. We were constantly trying to see if...maybe this was all a set-up."
"It felt surreal after 18 hours of nonstop adrenaline. I was still in a special mode and couldn't fully process what had happened."
"Victor did an amazing job navigating us through all the obstacles in Russia. But I also believe it was help from above."
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As the inevitable adrenaline begins to course through your body, you draw upon all your training and skill to channel it, allowing you to steady your hands and make split-second decisions. Throughout it all, you remain acutely aware that distraught parents have placed all of their hope and faith in you and your team to save the life of their precious child who lays on the operating table before you. Welcome to the rollercoaster world of heart-pounding risks and heartwarming victories that define the life of a pediatric surgeon.
Dr. Mary Brandt is not only a renowned pediatric surgeon but also a dedicated educator and recipient of numerous awards and honors for service, education, and humanism in medicine. She completed medical school and general surgery residency at Baylor, followed by a fellowship in pediatric surgery at the University of Montreal Sainte-Justine Hospital. Dr. Brandt returned to join the faculty at Baylor College of Medicine where she has a distinguished record of accomplishment, including service as Senior Associate Dean of Student Affairs, Senior Associate Dean of Medical Education, and Program Director for General Surgery. Dr. Brandt has also served as Professor of Surgery with Tulane University School of Medicine, and has an outstanding record of service to the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Surgeons, American Board of Surgery, American Pediatric Surgery Association, and the American Association of Medical Colleges.
Today, Dr. Brandt discusses pediatric surgery, risk management, and medical training with Sandra and Sandy. Together, they explore emotional involvement in patient care, surgical preparation, and adrenaline challenges, and go on to draw parallels between astronauts and fighter pilots that reveal insights into adrenaline management and competency-driven training. Healthcare shifts, women in surgery, and Dr. Brandt's advice for aspiring medical professionals are included as well in today’s thought provoking and thoroughly entertaining conversation.
Episode Highlights:
Dr. Brandt’s decision to specialize in pediatrics
Pediatric surgery training over the years
Managing pediatric surgical risks in real-time
Balancing objectivity and emotional involvement with patients
Preparing for unfamiliar surgeries
The hardest part of performing surgery
Explaining the surgical risks to the child’s parents
Comparing risk management as a surgeon vs. an astronaut
Managing adrenaline in the operating room
Technology’s impact on operating room risk management
The risks created through traditional surgical training
Alternative training approaches
The evolution of women’s involvement in surgery over the course of Mary’s career
Her advice for those thinking of going into medicine
Quotes:
"When you're learning how to make a skin incision, that adrenaline is there."
"We're kind of the last general surgeons."
"You have to lower your shoulders and take three deep breaths and watch what happens."
"It's still an incredible profession."
"There is not another human being or any policy that can take away my ability to sit in a room with another human being and talk about what I need to do to help heal them."
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Imagine yourself soaring through the air - sometimes just a couple hundred feet above the ground - at hundreds of miles an hour, performing such maneuvers as spins, loops, rolls, as well as the somewhat ominously titled ‘Hammerhead’, all while being subjected to up to 10 g’s of force and knowing full well that one misstep could very possibly lead to hitting the ground! Welcome to just another day at the office for today’s exceptional guest.
Born and raised in California, Vicky Benzing is an accomplished pilot, skydiver, aerobatic performer and air racer. With over 9500 hours of flight time and over 1300 parachute jumps, Vicky’s flying career has spanned nearly 40 years, and she currently holds an airline transport rating as well as a commercial rating in helicopters, seaplanes, and gliders. Fascinated by flight since childhood, Vicky was eventually fortunate enough to receive training from the legendary pilot, Amelia Reid. After earning her PhD. in Chemistry from UC Berkeley, and working in the Silicon Valley high tech industry, Vicky returned to her lifelong passion full time where she now holds a surface level aerobatic waiver, and has flown in hundreds of air shows across the country. She was voted “Rookie of the Year” in her first year of air racing, and currently holds the crown of the “Fastest Woman Ever” in the history of the Reno Air Races. In addition to all of these spectacular achievements, Vicky has also worked on a number of film, television, and media projects.
Today, Sandy and Sandra sit down with Vicky to explore her inspiring journey from her early fascination with aviation to her remarkable career including her many, many achievements along the way as well as her unique perspective as a truly extraordinary woman in aviation.
Episode Highlights:
What sparked Vicky’s passion for aviation and aerobatics
Her aerobatics training
Amelia Reid’s impact upon Vicky and her career
Her flight from New Jersey to California in her own plane
The California Aeronautical University
Vicky’s PhD in Chemistry and work in the tech industry
What kept Vicky from becoming an astronaut
Vicky’s Extra 300 planes
Surface level aerobatic waivers
Her favorite and most difficult maneuvers
Air racing
Vicky’s P-51 Mustang
Becoming a movie and TV star with her planes
Vicky’s interest in parachute jumping
Her experience over the years as a woman pilot
Vicky’s advice for young girls who want to follow in her footsteps
Her thoughts on the future of aerobatic flight
Quotes:
"You can have it all. Absolutely. You don't have to make those choices… you can have it all."
"My uncle took me flying when I was a little kid, and I remember it distinctly."
"The moment I stepped into the airplane and took the controls, I knew that was something I would do for the rest of my life."
"But at an air show, they pay you to come, they pay for your hotel and car. The crowd tells you how much they love you."
"You need a lot of g-forces to make the maneuvers look crisp."
"It's an amazing time to be a pilot, especially for young people entering the industry."
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In today’s very special rereleased episode, Sandy and Sandra are joined by the one and only Santa Claus to discuss his annual toy delivery and the risks associated with it. Santa explains the logistics of North Pole operations and the challenges they have faced due to labor shortages and supply chain issues. While so many details of Santa’s operation are understandably considered classified, he is able to shed some light on the incredible work he, Mrs.Claus, and the elves perform each year, while also stressing the importance of maintaining PPI to protect children’s personal data.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
The scale of North Pole operations
Challenges that Santa faces in his work
The importance of maintaining personal professional privacy information
How he ensures that toys are delivered on time
The different risks associated with flying a sleigh around the world
Some of the exciting experiences Santa has had while delivering toys
The classified nature of much of Santa’s operation
Quotes:
"We have to come up with about 2 billion toys a year, maybe a little bit fewer because of the little naughty ones, but that's not such a big number."
"I mean, ever since the ‘great elf resignation’, it's been tougher than blazes to get elves."
"If we were down there, we'd be up to our butts in elves, but we can't do that because the FAA won't let us fly over the 48 states. You know, they won't give us the permission. And then there's the whole labor thing.”
“We are a risk manager's nightmare here. I'll tell you; we have a risk oversight committee, and we've got representatives from all the various health departments, and, you know, we’ve got air traffic control risks, we have risks of all those little reindeer hooves damaging roof tiles-- oh, the insurance company is all over us for that - we're working through that. We've got technology risks, you know, the sleigh is a very sophisticated piece of equipment.”
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For anyone who would love to work not only with 165 degree material, but explosives as well, in a mini-city located some 7000 ft below the surface of the Earth, Sandy and Sandra have unearthed the perfect job for you!
As President and General Manager of Resolution Copper for Rio Tinto, Vicky Peacey is responsible for all aspects of planning, development, and operations related to the Arizona-based project. She has deep ties to the mining industry, coming from a multi-generational mining family, and has more than 20 years of industry experience working across various leadership roles at reclamation sites, operations and projects in the United States. She holds a Bachelor of Science (BS) in Applied Geoscience and a Master of Science (MSc) in Civil and Environmental Engineering from the University of Western Ontario, and has also attended the London School of Business and Finance’s (LSBF) Emerging Leaders Program. In 2019, Vicky was inducted into the American Mining Hall of Fame and currently sits on the American Exploration & Mining Association Board. Prior to her present role, Vicky has held a number of leadership roles at Resolution Copper and Rio Tinto, which she joined in 2002.
they explore the fascinating world of underground mining.
Join our hosts today to learn about Vicky's journey into the mining industry, the valuable lessons she's acquired, and gain insights into the technology, processes, and human factors that make mining possible at depths thousands of feet below the Earth’s surface.
0:00 Start
0:25 Introduction
1:24 How Vicky got involved in the mining industry
2:42 Lessons she has learned over her career
3:48 Vicky’s overview of the mining industry
5:26 Minerals that are and aren’t mined in the USA
6:49 The long process involved in preparing to mine an area
9:34 The construction phase of mining
10:54 The process and technology involved in mining the ore and getting it to the surface
12:59 The role of the human being in the process
15:33 Keeping track of people and equipment
16:21 The psychological aspects of working that deep underground
18:25 Responding to emergencies underground
19:38 The deepest mines in the world
20:29 “Centers of Excellence”
21:16 Explosives use in mining
22:29 Following laws in different countries
24:46 Processing the ore once it’s reached the surface
27:31 Dealing with leftover material after the processing
28:39 The amount of time involved in the entire mining process
29:25 The parallels between working in mines and working in space
30:20 Managing criticism about mining
32:50 Locating minerals to be mined
Quotes:
"There's just such a diversity of interesting issues and things to tackle inside of a mine."
"You have to follow the law in the jurisdiction that you're operating in. That is, when it's there."
"The deposit is where it is, right? So nature puts it where it is."
"We really need to invest again back into K through 12 education, partnering with universities, and really putting ourselves out there to communicate really about what the industry is or isn't."
"We need to make sure that we are listening to communities, that they're helping shape the project.””
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How does a farm girl from Fenton, Michigan, go from being an injured runner in college suffering from anemia and a lack of formal cycling coaching, to becoming the first American winner of the Tour de France?
Learn all about it by joining Sandy and Sandra as they embark on a thrilling journey into the world of competitive cycling alongside Marianne Martin, a true pioneer who made history as the first American to don the prestigious yellow jersey in the Tour de France back in 1984. In honor of this trailblazing achievement, Marianne was inducted into the 2012 Boulder (Colorado) Sports Hall of Fame, and was a 2020 inductee to the US Bicycling Hall of Fame.
In today’s episode, Marianne shares her remarkable transition from being a runner to a celebrated cyclist, and details some of the challenges she faced along the way. The ingenious strategies that propelled her to success as well as the evolving dynamics of teamwork are put under the microscope as well, offering invaluable insights into the nuances of the sport. The discussion doesn't stop at cycling; it takes a deeper plunge into the fascinating realm of team dynamics, risk management, and the sheer thrill that accompanies each pedal stroke. Marianne's journey from cycling champion to endurance horse racer also serves as a powerful testament to the sheer power of perseverance and visualization. As women's cycling experiences a resurgence, her experiences offer inspiration for athletes from diverse backgrounds, encouraging them to push their boundaries and embrace the thrill of endurance sports. Marianne's candid revelations, as shared here today, provide a heart-pounding glimpse into the experiences behind the handlebars, making this episode a must-listen for elite cycling enthusiasts and newcomers alike.
0:00 Start
0:23 Introduction
1:50 Marianne’s start in competitive cycling
3:05 The women’s competitive cycling circuit when Marianne started
4:06 The different degrees to the sport
5:43 The women’s cycling community
6:38 Making the USA Tour de France team
8:08 Marianne’s experience at the 1984 Tour de France
10:56 How she celebrated her victory
13:40 How a cycling team works together
16:30 Managing the risks involved
18:24 Physical training for racing
23:12 Mental preparation
26:59 The changes in competitive cycling over the years
27:48 The return of the women’s Tour de France
29:43 Marianne’s thoughts on the current Tour de France
31:05 Her advice for those interested in cycling
32:22 Marianne’s involvement in endurance horse racing
Quotes:
“I love nothing more than adrenaline.”
"Training is breaking down your body, and then resting is when you build it up."
"I raced my bike, and it would have been great to have money, but I wouldn't have done anything different."
"Every ride has to mean something; every time you're on your bike, it's got to be a specific reason."
"The hardest thing about training is not training."
"Pain meant my body was working and it was doing the right thing."
"Your body is way more capable than we give it credit for."
"I saw myself as a champion."
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What kind of person chooses to go climbing in places where they are in constant danger of being crushed by moving ice chunks the size of small buildings, all the while being surrounded by huge open crevasses into which they could very well fall hundreds of feet to their death?
Well, allow us to introduce you to the indomitable mountaineer, Alison Levine, Sandy and Sandra’s remarkable guest in today’s exhilarating episode of The Adrenaline Zone. Alison sits down with our hosts to share her remarkable achievements, including completing the Adventure Grand Slam and conquering the highest peaks on every continent while skiing to both the North and South Poles. As you will hear, what sets her apart is her unwavering spirit, which carried her through three heart surgeries and a unique medical condition that makes her susceptible to frostbite in extreme cold. Throughout this gripping episode, you'll delve into the mindset of a true adventurer, discovering the importance of embracing discomfort as a stepping stone to greatness and learning how to prepare both mentally and physically for life's most extreme challenges. Whether she's recounting her experiences climbing Mount Everest, discussing her proudest moment of empowering local women while breaking barriers in a male-dominated field, or reflecting on the ups and downs of progress, Alison's insights are a beacon of inspiration.
Alison Levine is a history-making polar explorer and mountaineer. Among her many, many accomplishments, she served as team captain of the first American Women’s Everest Expedition, climbed the highest peak on each continent and skied to both the North and South Poles—a feat known as the Adventure Grand Slam. Her success in extreme environments is noteworthy given she has had three heart surgeries and suffers from Raynaud’s disease. Alison has also spent three years working for Goldman Sachs, has served as adjunct professor at the United States Military Academy at West Point, and was a contributing author to the book Leadership in Dangerous Situations: A Handbook for the Armed Forces, Emergency Services and First Responders.
Quotes:
"I love seeing how far out of my comfort zone I can get."
"You can be scared and brave at the same time."
"The goal of every single climb is to come back alive."
"Complacency is really what puts you at risk."
"Sometimes progress doesn't happen in the direction that you think it's going to happen, but it doesn't mean you're not making progress."
"You just have to be absolutely relentless about putting one foot in front of the other."
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In this riveting installment of The Adrenaline Zone podcast, Sandra and Sandy explore the modern landscape of ranching and farming alongside special guest Andrea Nicholas Perdue, the visionary CEO of Wagonhound Ranch in Wyoming. This episode masterfully examines the delicate balance between upholding traditional ranching values and embracing cutting-edge agricultural technology. You’ll hear about Wagonhound Ranch's rich legacy in cattle ranching, dating back to the late 1800s, and Andrea's remarkable journey from the world of finance to helming a colossal 300,000-acre ranch.
Today’s interview peels back the layers on the risks and rewards that define ranching, encompassing weather woes, disease dilemmas, and the intricate dance between tradition and innovation. The diversification of Wagonhound Ranch's business operations, including cattle ranching, hospitality, farming, and outfitting, takes center stage, exploring its motivations and sustainable implications. Moreover, the episode delves into the historical significance of Wagonhound Ranch's location along the Oregon Trail, preserving the legacy of the American West, and outlines strategies for managing risks in the unpredictable world of ranching. Today’s conversation also illuminates the dynamic interplay between private and public interests, where effective communication is the linchpin.
Tune in today for an unmissable adventure through the heartland of ranching, entrepreneurship, and the indomitable spirit of the American West in this extraordinary episode of The Adrenaline Zone.
Quotes
"Ranching has a long tradition in my family. My family has been cattle ranchers since we immigrated to the U.S. in the 1880s."
"There's a push and a pull between private and public, and there always will be. That's something that I think you delicately manage."
"You're operating a business in an environment that you don't control, and so you put things in place to help you control that."
"There's been a big, renewed focus because it's finally been accepted that our food system is really one of the big levers that we have to affect global planet health."
"Farming has gotten really sophisticated, and a lot of that happens automatically with the new technology of the farm equipment that you're using."
"Regenerative agriculture is more of a rebranding of practices that have been implemented for a long time, like rotational grazing."
"I think that there's this next generation of leaders that are women, and they are really accepting and excited about it."
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How does a Grease loving, teenage aerobic instructor from humble beginnings in his beloved Cali, Colombia, end up living out the ‘American Dream’ as the ‘Father’ of an international fitness craze, and the Co-founder of a $500M exercise class company?
Today, Sandra and Sandy sit down with a true fitness visionary and the creator of the Zumba phenomenon, Beto Pérez, who shares his whirlwind journey from the vibrant streets of Colombia to the sizzling energy of Miami, and how he fused fitness and Latin music, turning exercise into an exhilarating party. His truly remarkable story, as shared here today, highlights the transformative power of happiness, the courage to chase your dreams, and the creative spark that has fuelled this passionately determined innovator’s journey each energetically choreographed step of the way.
Raised in Cali, Colombia, by a single mother, where he worked 3 jobs by age 14 to support his family, Beto Pérez ’s passion for dance eventually led him to Miami, where he invented ‘Zumba’, a fitness craze that absolutely broke the mold of what gym-goers had ever experienced before. In collaboration with Alberto Perlman and Alberto Aghion, he established Zumba Fitness LLC as an organization that sells Zumba content and products. Today, 15 million people in more than 200,000 locations in 186 countries take Zumba classes every week, and Zumba Fitness LLC is worth an estimated $500, 000, 000. Over the years, Pérez has also won a number of awards including Canfitpro Lifetime Achievement Award (2016), IDEA Jack LaLane Fitness Leader Award (2013), Canfitpro New Specialty Program Presenter (2008) and even received the key to city in Cali, Colombia.
Quotes:
"People always think that exercise is sacrifice; it's hard, it's not easy. But I think we had the idea to create exercise with a fun way, like a party."
"My passion for dance is for rock and roll from the '60s. After this movie, I was like John Travolta."
"When you do something with happiness, something positive happens in your life."
"I feel so proud and happy with my business partners."
"If I stop, I'll be boring. I'll be old, depressed."
"I have passion, the same passion I had when I was 15 years old. Yeah, I love to take the risks, the adventure, like adrenaline. I need to make projects all the time, to do something all the time, to create something."
"One of the tools that we need is good music."
"This is the country of opportunities... everything is possible."
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What exactly possesses a person to pursue a career of sacrificing their body to intercept frozen vulcanized rubber missiles whistling along at up to 100+ MPH?
Discover the answer to that question and so much more as Sandy and Sandra welcome internationally renowned ice hockey goaltending superstar, Martin Brodeur, as their very first guest of The Adrenaline Zone’s 5th season.
Widely considered to be one the greatest goalies of all time, Martin Brodeur comes by his love of ice hockey honestly. Son of Olympic Bronze Medalist with Canada’s 1956 hockey team and famed hockey photographer, Denis Bodeur, Martin has achieved his own extraordinary level of success becoming, in just one of his many accomplishments, the all-time winningest goaltender in the NHL. During his extraordinary NHL career, almost entirely with the New Jersey Devils, Martin has set NHL marks for goals scored by a goalie, regular season wins, shutouts, and games played, and has won 30-or-more games in 12 consecutive seasons, recording eight 40-win seasons along the way. Among the many honors he has earned are a Calder Trophy, 4 Vezina Trophies, 5 Jennings Trophies, 3 Stanley Cup Championships, and 7 All-Star Team appearances. As if that’s not enough, he has also represented Canada at the Winter Olympics multiple times, twice coming away with a gold medal. Having retired from playing, Martin currently serves as the Devils’ Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations, and was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2018 - his first year of eligibility. You just don’t get much more legendary than that!
In this premiere episode of this new season, Martin shares his exceptional journey, brimming with winning strategies and hard earned wisdom, with our hosts, as, together, they discuss a number of fascinating topics.
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Retired astronaut Colonel Doug Hurley takes center stage alongside Sandy Winnefeld and former colleague Dr. Sandra Magnus, marking the monumental 40th episode of The Adrenaline Zone podcast. Together, they embark on an enthralling voyage, tracing Col. Hurley's awe-inspiring journey from upstate New York to the vast expanse of space. As a recipient of the esteemed Congressional Space Medal of Honor, Col. Hurley paints a vivid and personal portrait of his spaceflight experiences, unraveling the captivating challenges, triumphs, and rewards that shaped his remarkable career.
With our hosts, he delves into the rigorous training program that hones the skills and fortitude required of an astronaut, from mastering orbital mechanics to honing public speaking and photography skills. Recounting the exhilarating moments of launch and landing, he shares his unique insights on flying the space shuttle, commanding the first crewed commercial orbital spacecraft for SpaceX, and the cultural differences that exist between NASA and SpaceX. He also emphasizes the profound impact visual documentation has on scientific research and the exploration of the cosmos, and shares his thoughts on the future of manned spaceflight. Filled with personal anecdotes and unique perspectives, today’s 40th installment of The Adrenaline Zone podcast offers a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to explore the wonders of space exploration that will leave you with a profound appreciation for the wonders of the universe and the heroic individuals who help us all learn more about it.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
Col. Hurley's journey to becoming an astronaut
The rigorous training program and diverse skill set required for astronauts
The importance of capturing imagery during the fly around of the International Space Station
Flying the space shuttle and maneuvering in space
Personal anecdotes and insights from Col. Hurley's spaceflight experiences
The differences between the Space Shuttle and Crewed SpaceX missions
Challenges and lessons learned during the development of the Crewed SpaceX mission
The adaptation process and experiences during a two-month stay on the International Space Station (ISS)
The reentry and landing procedures of Dragon spacecraft
Lunar exploration as a means to prepare for future human missions to Mars
Quotes:
"You can do anything else, but just don't hit the space station."
"You're hand flying it. The shuttle had the capability built in for it to land automatically, but there was never a lot of confidence in the system."
"It's kind of like going supersonic at 20,000 feet. Isn't that exciting?”
"I think it would be fair to say that the culture of SpaceX in 2015, 2016 probably was not a lot different than NASA during the '60s as we were doing the Apollo program. You had a bunch of incredibly talented, smart, but very young, relatively inexperienced space people, but working on a common goal and almost with fanaticism, frankly."
"If we think as humanity we want to go to Mars and put people on Mars… we've got to run it all like a dress rehearsal on the Moon because then we're only two days away, not six months away from getting something to the crew."
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Join Sandy and Sandra as they embark on an awe-inspiring exploration of the captivating world of rocket science with the esteemed guest, Garry Lyles, as he shares his personal journey, from a childhood fascination with rockets to becoming a revered figure in the space sector on the podcast today. Garry also reviews the challenges, triumphs, and trade-offs that encompass the design and construction of rockets, with a particular focus on the groundbreaking Space Shuttle main engines (SSMEs) and their evolution into the awe-inspiring Space Launch System (SLS). Through captivating storytelling and insightful anecdotes, this episode will take you on an exhilarating voyage through the intricacies of rocket design and the fascinating developments in the Artemis Program, igniting your imagination and leaving you inspired to reach for the stars.
Together with our hosts, Garry dives into various themes surrounding rocket design, manufacturing, and the future of space exploration, and provides a window into his remarkable journey, discussing the challenges and successes encountered while working on the iconic Space Shuttle main engines. He reveals the transformative process that led to the development of NASA's cutting-edge Space Launch System (SLS) and insights into the visionary Artemis program. With an emphasis on the intricate trade-offs involved in rocket design, the importance of rigorous testing and failure analysis, and the critical considerations when crafting crewed and uncrewed vehicles, this episode unveils the awe-inspiring intricacies of the cosmos and offers a glimpse into the promising future of space exploration. Join us on this enthralling adventure that encapsulates the essence of human ingenuity, resilience, and the relentless pursuit of knowledge.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
Garry’s journey in the space sector
Insights into the design, development, and challenges of the successful SSMEs during the Space Shuttle era
The role of mechanical engineering, fluid mechanics, and thermodynamics in rocket propulsion systems
The size and capabilities of the Space Launch System (SLS) compared to previous systems
Behind-the-scenes stories and lessons learned from the Artemis One launch
The trade-offs and complexities in rocket design and the role of the chief engineer
The importance of rigorous testing and failure analysis in rocket design
Challenges, innovations, and future technologies in rocket manufacturing and propulsion
Quotes:
"When you grow up near Huntsville, you're kind of automatically attracted to rockets and NASA."
"You can't plan these things the way they happen... don't worry about planning your life too much because you can't do that."
"Those engines are what they are because of the requirements of the Space Shuttle... a thermodynamic cycle that we had never built before."
"This nation does a lot of things that are very technically difficult... there's nobody else who can do this kind of stuff."
"The big job of the chief engineer... is to manage all of those trades."
"It is hard to beat a hydrogen combustion when you want to go take heavy things very fast."
"I think the nearest term non-combustion kind of technology... will be nuclear propulsion."
"The Artemis One launch was flawless.”
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Welcome to an exhilarating new episode of the podcast as Sandra and Sandy embark on a captivating journey behind the scenes of Mission Control with none other than Rick LaBrode, the distinguished Lead Flight Director of the groundbreaking Artemis One mission. Together, they unravel the multifaceted role of a flight director and the immense responsibilities that come with overseeing such momentous missions. Along the way, Rick unveils the intricate coordination of system consoles, the unwavering commitment to crew safety and vehicle integrity, the intricate world of pre-planning, and the creation of flight rules that facilitate real-time decision-making.
Rick also offers invaluable insights into the continuous learning experience for the flight control team during the groundbreaking Artemis One mission, and shares intimate details of the exhaustive planning and meticulous training that precede every mission. The necessity of risk assessment, where every conceivable failure is meticulously evaluated, and contingencies are strategically devised to mitigate potential perils, is explored as well. With the Artemis One mission as their compass, Sandra, Sandy, and Rick shed light on the realm of unexpected events and risk reduction strategies while highlighting the resilience and adaptability of the flight team. Sit back, buckle up, and brace yourself for today’s riveting expedition behind the scenes of historic space missions with Rick LaBrode as your guide extraordinaire.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
The role of flight director and coordination between system consoles for mission success
Responsibilities of ensuring crew and vehicle safety
The importance of pre-planning, real-time decision-making, and flight rules
Artemis One
Risk reduction activities and testing
The extensive planning and training process
Personal dedication and passion for human spaceflight
Quotes:
"The part you see on TV where we're in Mission Control, that's just one piece of it. And actually, the smaller piece, it's probably 10% of the job. 90% of the work is done before we even get on console."
"We try to pre-plan and think about all the what-if scenarios that could go wrong, and we build flight rules that make real-time decision making easy... It's when we don't have a flight rule that covers that scenario where the flight director earns his paycheck."
"I think almost every flight controller who works in mission control, they aspire to be the person who's large and in charge in the room. And I was no different. Right. I wanted to be the guy that people came to ask the questions and got permission to go and do stuff."
"The buck really stops at the flight director console. We are ultimately responsible for the well-being of the crew, their safety, as well as the vehicle itself."
"One of our primary mission objectives for Artemis One was to test the heat shield that was going to protect the crew module on reentry."
"Because we worked it so long and my team was so good, they made my job really easy... I felt so comfortable. We were ready easily the year before to be able to fly this flight."
"Space Ops is just the coolest thing you could ever imagine. You can't do it anywhere else."
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In this episode of the Adrenaline Zone, Dr. Joe Dituri, a former commander in the US Navy, shares his experience as a deep-sea diver, special operations officer, and engineering duty officer. His passion for diving started at a young age when his father gave him a double hose regulator that allowed him to breathe underwater. He eventually found his way to the Navy, where he gained extensive experience in diving, engineering, and research. The episode covers a range of topics, including underwater suits, physics and mechanics of the underwater environment, and his current work in treating traumatic brain injury. The conversation is a must-listen for anyone interested in deep-sea diving and undersea research.
During his 100-day stay at the Jules' Undersea facility, Dr. Dituri serves a threefold purpose: outreach to students to get them excited about STEM fields, discussing preservation, protection, and rejuvenation of the marine environment, and conducting biomedical research related to solving problems for astronauts and aquanauts. Living underwater presents its own unique challenges, including decompression and bone density loss, which Dr. Dituri is researching to help solve problems for astronauts in space. He also shares his goal of becoming an astronaut and his excitement about his upcoming zero gravity flight. Dr. Dituri's work and passion for deep-sea diving and undersea research are truly inspiring and a testament to the limitless potential of human exploration and scientific discovery.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
Joe's early passion for deep-sea diving and his journey to the Navy
His experience in the special operations community and becoming a diving officer
The challenges and tasks involved in being an engineering duty officer
Joe's work at the Deep Submergence Unit and the risks of diving at 2000ft
The importance of risk mitigation and management in deep-sea diving
Launching two underwater suits at once and writing operational procedures
The importance of having a person in the suit and extensive training for deep-sea missions
Joe’s biomedical research to solve problems for astronauts and aquanauts
His personal experience with traumatic brain injury
His efforts to improve the system and address veteran suicide
Quotes:
"Risk mitigation became an every other day word for me."
"If you don't fix the body, the body does keep the score."
"We lost a bunch of guys to suicide following the horrific events that they'd been through."
"I want them to be like, hey, you can be a scientist and be cool, too."
"I'm trying to solve problems on the International Space Station for muscle loss and bone density loss."
"My long term goal is to solve problems for aquanauts and astronauts."
"The thing that I think is really important is to have a community of people that you can talk to who have been through similar things. And you know, that's why groups like the Wounded Warrior Project are really important."
"I think that sometimes we forget that we're all humans and we all have a similar capacity for dealing with stress and trauma."
"It's important to remember that people are complex and that there's no one-size-fits-all solution to any problem."
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On this episode of The Adrenaline Zone, Sandy and Sandra delve into the world of artificial intelligence (AI) with guest Gilman Louie. As a former video game designer turned venture capitalist, Gilman brings valuable insights into the current state of AI, including the emergence of Generative AI and algorithm Chat GPT, which can generate text that seems indistinguishable from what a human could produce. Together, our trio touches on the potential risks and benefits associated with AI's continued development, from its ability to revolutionize industries to the possibility of machines falling out of control or being used against us.
Gilman provides expert analysis on the ethical implications of creating machines that can mimic human behavior, emphasizing the importance of investing in the soft sciences, such as sociology and psychology, to better understand the social impacts of these technologies. He also highlights the need for a more thoughtful and coordinated approach to AI implementation, involving academia, governments, and tech companies working together to build safer and more trustworthy systems. With Gilman's experience as a venture capitalist and his involvement in In-Q-Tel, a venture capital firm associated with the Central Intelligence Agency, the episode provides valuable insights into the potential benefits and challenges of AI. Ultimately, his conversation with our hosts here today serves as a reminder of the importance of thoughtful implementation and regulation of emerging technologies to ensure a better future for all.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
Gilman Louie’s professional history
The evolution of gaming graphics
In-Q-Tel and Gilman's involvement with it
The emergence of Generative AI and algorithm Chat GPT
The potential risks and benefits of AI's continued development
Investing in soft sciences
Establishing ethical frameworks for the use of AI
The need for a more thoughtful and coordinated approach to AI implementation
The potential for AI to revolutionize industries
A call to action for both tech companies and society in general
Quotes:
"Generative AI's emergence has brought into sharper focus debates over what computers can do and should be allowed to do, and how this capability might be used against us or even fall out of control completely."
"If you haven't seen it on Star Trek, it's probably not worth inventing."
"AI safety, AI security, AI trust and confidence will lead a whole new industry to be built around these series of technologies."
"Dumb systems actually do a lot more harm than smarter systems."
"The soft sciences is really what represents what's going on between our two ears."
"We need to kind of go very thoughtfully into this next decade, and we need to really think very hard about how we apply these technologies and how we put up the appropriate guardrails."
"We need to draw on those bodies of literature as a thought experiment that's been going on for the last close to 70, 80 years."
"AI will affect us in our lives in so many different profound ways, from how we work, how we live, to how we play, to how we interact."
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High Sea Hazards with CAPT Cynthia Robson
Captain Cynthia Robson finds herself in The Adrenaline Zone today to discuss with Sandy and Sandra the exciting world of operating merchant ships at sea and details from her career in the field. Along the way, she also touches upon such topics as the risks associated with piracy, the challenges of rough weather, and the unique difficulties that come with being a woman in a male-dominated industry. The complexity of operating different types of ships, the benefits of crew diversity, and the unique opportunity of booking a cabin on a merchant marine ship are examined as well during this fascinating episode.
As the conversation unfolds, Captain Robson highlights her experiences that range from sailing on ocean races to leading a joint training cruise with cadets from the United States and the Soviet Union after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Captain Robson speaks candidly about the challenges of being the only female cadet and facing sexist remarks from male colleagues while also noting the increasing opportunities for women in the industry and her work at the US Merchant Academy. Captain Cynthia Robson's experiences and insights, as shared here today, offer a rare glimpse into the world of merchant mariners, a profession that often operates under the radar, and they provide a captivating listen for anyone interested in adventure, overcoming challenges, and thriving in The Adrenaline Zone.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
Captain Robson’s journey to pursuing a career in the Merchant Marine
The challenges faced by women in the industry
Advancing through the ranks in the Merchant Marine
Some of Captain Robson’s experiences working on research vessels and survey ships
The advantages of working for Military Sealift Command
Changes the Coast Guard has made to the licensing frequency and their impact
Piracy and Captain Robson’s experiences with it
Rough weather, rogue waves and the challenges they present
Breaking down barriers as a woman in a male-dominated industry
Preparing for and mitigating risks at sea
Tall ships and what is required to sail them
Benefits of crew diversity
Increasing opportunities for women in the industry
Booking a cabin on a merchant marine ship
Crew resource management
Quotes:
"I was told that I could be an apprentice or be an applicant, but I could never be a book member because they were never going to allow women in the Merchant Marine.”
"When you graduate from a state academy or also from the federal academy, you graduate with a degree, and you also graduate with a third mate license."
"If you're working a one for one schedule, you have to accrue a year's sea time and you work for usually two years to get a year's sea time."
"The advantage of Military Sealift Command is that you gather sea time and you raise your license a lot faster."
"The reason the captain had been yelling is because there were some pirates up on the bridge and they had a machete and they were going after him with a machete."
"We had our own Beaufort scale. And I just remember at force five, it said, 'Joggers must stay indoors.'”
"So I was going to my ship... and one of them asked me, 'What ship are you going to?' And I said, 'the Jamestown.' He said, 'I'm so glad. We needed a good cook.'"
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"It takes a lot of expertise to sail tall ships.”
"Almost anyone in the Navy would tell you that when we started bringing women on aircraft carriers, it changed the culture of the ship in a good way."
"The more women on board ship, the better the crew, and the better the crews get."
"Booking a cabin on a merchant ship - I would totally recommend it."
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This week, Sandra and Sandy host Lt. Col. Ed Yeilding, a former SR-71 pilot who famously flew the plane on over 90 worldwide reconnaissance missions. Their discussion begins with a look at the development of the SR-71 and how it was a response to the need for better photographic reconnaissance during the Cold War. From there, Yeilding goes on to share his experience of growing up in Florence, Alabama, how he became an Air Force pilot, and the unique construction and design of the plane that allowed it to fly at such high speeds.
He then provides further insight into the experience of flying the SR-71 Blackbird, including the fact that, despite rigorous simulator training, the airplane was prone to malfunctions. He also discusses his final flight in the SR-71, shares his experiences with JT Vida - the test RSO assigned to fly with him to the Smithsonian - and explains the purpose of the speed record flight. Today’s fascinating episode provides an inside look into the SR-71 Blackbird including its enormous contribution to the country for over 25 years, and serves as a powerful testament to the skill and bravery required by Lt. Col. Ed Yeilding and his colleagues to pilot this incredible machine.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
The development of the SR-71
Yeilding's experience of growing up in Florence, Alabama
His journey to become an Air Force pilot
The unique construction and design of the SR-71
Flying the RF-4 and F-4 fighter planes
Yeilding's experience of losing six friends in accidents
Flying the SR-71
The unclassified cool aspects of the unique construction and airframe of the SR-71
Extensive simulator training
Managing malfunctions
Setting an official coast-to-coast airplane speed record
The purpose of the speed record flight
Reaching the top speed of Mach 3.3
Yeilding’s experiences with JT Vida
His final flight in the SR-71
Quotes:
"I really wanted to fly the Blackbird. I had my eyes on it since I was 15 years old when it was announced by President Johnson in 1964."
"During that time, I lost six friends in accidents, practicing for the defense of our freedom."
"It was not designed to be stealthy. It was designed to be faster than anything else in the air and higher than anything else in the air.”
"By the time we had our first flight, we were nearly experts in the airplane just due to all that simulator training."
"Our longest routine missions were five and a half hours."
"We did have an ejection seat similar to most any air fighter, and we had a parachute."
"It was a wonderful airplane to fly, but there was a lot more to it than just flying. It was a true team effort. Every person on the crew, and every person supporting the crew, had to be really, really good."
"So we wanted to do our very best to represent all the Blackbird community in that speed record flight across the country to the Smithsonian."
"And that would call the public's attention to what a great airplane it has been for our country for 25 years. So that was the purpose of the speed record.”
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David Duncan, CEO of Silver Oak Cellars, joins Sandra and Sandy on the podcast today to discuss the art, science, and risks of winemaking. Their conversation covers topics such as the difficulties associated with winemaking, the risks involved, and the sustainable practices and technological advancements that are shaping the industry. David shares his family's entrepreneurial background, recounts how he was drawn to the farming aspect of winemaking, and describes the process of making wine, from planting vines to releasing a new vintage.
The episode also explores the attraction of risk-taking and adrenaline, as David, a successful winemaker, stage musician, and philanthropist, shares his thoughts on how he manages risk-taking in both his personal and professional life. He and our hosts then touch on the duality of risk-takers - their ability to focus on risk-taking while also being able to detach themselves from it - as well as the importance of building resilience and adapting to change. In addition to providing a fascinating exploration into the world of winemaking, today’s episode offers a unique perspective on risk-taking, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in thriving, as David does, at the intersection of tradition and innovation.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
The challenges of owning and operating a winery
The risks associated with winemaking
Silver Oak Winery
The process of making wine
David’s background and how he got involved in the family business
Silver Oak’s commitment to sustainability
David's love for music and being in the band
Forms of risk-taking
The duality of people who intensely focus on risk-taking
David's album "Bacon, Butter & Salt"
The philanthropic work of risk-takers
Building resilience
Wine as a bridge between tradition and innovation
The elevating impact of the addition of fine wine to any meal
Quotes:
"Making high quality wine is a difficult business that combines both art and science."
"The farming part of the wine business is what attracted me."
"I'm more of a business person, and I've gotten a lot of experience now."
"We think today that we use about 30% of the water that we did ten or 15 years ago."
"We welcome rain all the time."
"You have a little bit of an attraction to adrenaline and risk-taking in general as well."
"Well, risk-taking comes in many forms, and getting up in front of a huge crowd of people as a musician is certainly one of them."
"They've got this sort of juxtaposition of intense focus on the risk, but at the same time detaching from it."
"And I think people who deal with risk on a basis all the time, their ability to roll with the punches and not let it take you down gets refined, and they get to be experts at that, whether you're a bull rider or a mountain skier or mountain climber."
"So you're not only a successful winemaker and a musician... But one of the great things, David, I like about you is that you believe in philanthropy and you do a lot of philanthropic work..."
"Silver Oak in particular has become a family tradition... that's been really gratifying to see."
"Good wine will go good on cornflakes, too, right?"
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In this episode of The Adrenaline Zone, Sandra and Sandy sit down with former Acting/Deputy Director of the CIA and host of the Intelligence Matters podcast, Michael Morell - a man with a wealth of experience on the analytical side of the CIA, advising presidents and other senior leaders during crises and critical national security decisions. Together, our hosts seek to uncover the risks involved in the intelligence business as Michael shares his story of how he entered the field and his experiences working in this high-stakes environment. His experiences as a valued advisor, a review of the CIA's capabilities, and the role of the intelligence community in protecting national security are all discussed here today. Morell also highlights the importance of ethical decision-making in the intelligence business, as well as the risks and challenges facing the community today.
Our esteemed guest goes on to provide a first-hand account of what it's like to be a Presidential Daily Briefing contributor and the immense responsibility that comes with the job. He recounts an anecdote where what he presented to the President resulted in a change in US policy, and he also shares his experience of being with President Bush on the day of the 9/11 attacks, highlighting the surreal and intense nature of the day. As both a witness to and participant in unfolding moments of historical importance, Michael Morell offers listeners here today a rare glimpse into the life of an intelligence analyst. His powerful insights and thought-provoking anecdotes as shared with Sandy and Sandra in this truly spellbinding episode, provide a deeper understanding not only of the intelligence community, but also its crucial role in safeguarding national security.
The Finer Details of this Episode:
Michael’s journey into the intelligence business
The more subtle elements of risk in the intelligence community on the analytical side
His experiences directly advising presidents and other senior leaders
Ethical decision-making in the intelligence business
Challenges facing the intelligence community today
The CIA's capabilities
Insights into the people and culture of the CIA
Impacting US policy
Being a PDB briefer
Michael’s experience with President Bush on the day of the 9/11 attacks
The significance and levels of intelligence relationships
The importance and use of open-source information
The changing analytical craft
The need for transparency in the use of algorithms
Quotes:
"The intelligence community's role is to provide objective, accurate, timely information to policymakers to help them make decisions to protect our national security."
"The most important thing we can do is to tell the truth to the policymakers and be objective about it."
"One of the things we learn as analysts is to be comfortable with ambiguity."
"It's a tough business, and the risks are significant, but I felt like I was part of a family that really cared about me."
"We want to do everything we can to protect our national security, but we also want to protect the privacy and the civil liberties of Americans."
"The world is an incredibly complicated place. One nation alone can't solve the problems, one military alone can't solve the problems, and one intelligence service alone can't solve the problems. So it's a team sport."
"There needs to be an openness to using that data, gathering that data, buying that data, and then there needs to be a greater openness to the use of tools that can sit on top of all of your data and help you identify information that you might not have found on your own."
"Intelligence relationships tend to be bilateral because they're based on trust."
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