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Is this butch lesbians’ day in the cultural sun?
Rachel’s mom and sister have brought her the Good News: the internet is obsessed with a butch who 1) is not a comedian and 2) by all signals of subject position, is proud to be a woman. Her name is Loretta Bush, and she can be seen for roughly 3 shining minutes in the documentary about Gabby Petito’s horrific and infuriating murder by her piece of sh*t boyfriend, American Murder: Gabby Petito.
Thoughts? Feelings? Responses to Rachel’s wandering conversation with her mother about female masculinity?
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In an attempt to — once and for all — stake out the difference between butch lesbians and Elmo from Sesame Street, Rachel and Akiva discuss whether we are indeed fetishists overfocusing on a specific tactile experience. Other ingredients include:
* Akiva apologizes for doing the bad thing :’P
* Love for “masc” ambiguity/androgyny and hatred for the hard (read: unchanging, specific) butch
* “Feminist” misreads of butchfemme relationships that actually denigrate femmes and femininity and elevate masculinity (howdy, we’re feminists who believe women are individuals!)
* Why everyone wants a piece of gay stuff because it feels like freedom, until it’s specific and thus must exclude them
* “Straight men go to bachelor parties at gay bars in Texas?”
* What femmes would NOT order at the State Fair
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Saknas det avsnitt?
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Rachel gives context for Stone Butch Disco’s more explicit recent politics around affirming sex-based reality for butch/femme lesbians, while still holding the sex vs. gender linguistic distinction central to SBD’s theoretical work. More to come on that front in future episodes.
We forgot to add our updated intro when we put this out earlier this week, so we’re pushing this out again for a re-rerelease.🙃 Enjoy!
We've said it before and we'll say it again: Lesbians need linguists!
Kari and Rachel talk gender and sex terminology in Spanish and English (Mexico City and Dallas), and Rachel tries in vain to fit Kari's story about her ceramics teacher into a template of the pottery scene from Ghost. We're experts on neither our own nor each other's cultures, so cross-cultural comparisons are speculative.
Music:
"Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
"Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
"Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
"Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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Our friend Lauren of the Courage Coalition joins us to share her experiences on the steps of the Supreme Court at United States v. Skrmetti, a case that will determine states’ powers to ban child gender transition. As Lauren’s experience shows, this case is a flashpoint between gay activists and legacy civil rights organizations, as the latter realize they’re on the wrong side (sorry, ACLU volunteer, we know this is overwhelming). While there, she experienced appalling homophobia from the pro-child-transition camp, and some other really freaky stuff. We talk with her about that, and about the unique power we as butch women have to stand up against all of this shiz.
Also covered:
* Women wearing pants and having jobs
* Hormone seances
* Why is Gen Z so sexless?
* How we enter (women’s) bathrooms
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In this bonus episode of SBD, Akiva reads aloud her new article for SBD about her experience as a butch lesbian woman with a history of trans-identification- and her argument for moving beyond the “detrans” label. Read the article here: https://stonebutchdisco.substack.com/p/trans-and-butch-arent-compatible
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In this episode, Akiva and Rachel continue their butch lesbian firefighter quest and urge an immediate clarification of The Bearded Lesbian's mission, before even one more young person gets convinced that a quest for maleness = the lesbian experience. We do a deep dive into TBL’s credulous platforming of a 23-year-old trans-identified TikTokker who has been on testosterone since he was 17 but has for the last three months identified as a butch lesbian, promotes medical interventions for lesbians, and believes masculine women cannot currently exist in society. We also talk a lot about sex, but/and wish it was more sexy, which is a promise for next time!
Other topics covered:
- Lesbian TikTok
- Asking for a digital/rhetorical restraining order against Andrea Long Chu’s idea (and apparently this person’s shared conviction!) that femaleness = submission
- Ideology masquerading as illness (disordered thinking is not disorder), and how theory can help!
- Why you can’t be a queer UFOO (undefinable floating opt-out) and also occupy the category of butch lesbian
- Real talk about coping with gender nonconformity: A call to woman up when you’re mistaken for a man
Note for listeners: this episode was recording before our last episode, when an exhibit of queer-blob discourse claiming to be “butch lesbian” crossed our path and inspired us to clarify the difference that butch/femme represents in stark relief (and, *exhale*, in emotional relief) against the morass of trans ideology. We’re releasing it alongside Akiva’s new essay “Trans and Butch aren’t compatible. Detrans isn’t much better.” It lays out powerful ways to get your identity back from “not like the other girls” brain worms.
Read it here: Trans and Butch aren’t compatible. Detrans isn’t much better.
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Rachel and Akiva analyze various nonsense that people whose moral center is “comparison to men” are attempting to glom onto butch lesbian identity, and how acknowledging one’s biological sex doesn’t necessarily preclude misogynistic disidentification from women.
We cover:
* Our former collaborator Aaron Kimberly’s turn, contra his stated values, towards promoting voices that explicitly support medical transition
* Buck Angel’s history of promoting trans to lesbians, and the misogynist undertones that don’t seem to have disappeared with his decision to platform detransitioners and oppose child transition
* Leslie Feinberg’s partner Minnie Bruce Pratt’s sexual confusion that places her squarely outside of the category “femme”
* Aaron Terrell’s concept of autoandrophilia and why it doesn’t describe butch lesbianism (but might explain the transition of non-butches)
This episode precedes the release of an episode we recorded earlier in time, in which we broke down Aaron Kimberly’s switch to pro-lesbian-transition messaging in The Bearded Lesbian podcast. Look for that one next.
To make up for all the blues, we end with a sweet note on butch/femme love and female masculinity submitted by a femme supporter of the pod :)Paid Substack subscribers enjoy exclusive early access to new content, including video versions of the latest episodes. You can also support Stone Butch Disco and the lesbian writing and archives project at StoneButchDisco.com by becoming a patron atpatreon.com/stonebutchdisco
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“…on The Barry Gibb Talk Show!” (Full permission/encouragement to watch those SNL skits before you listen to this.)
In this episode, which was originally slated to be SBD’s first, Sam and Rachel talk “comfort aliens,” butch lesbian women’s **alleged** cultural marginalization (academics assure us it’s “alleged”), and read from beautiful lesbian texts to set forth our hopes for this here project.
A TRIGGER WARNING of sorts, particularly for ~45:00-60:00 but *not exactly* those timestamps, and potentially elsewhere: There’s a lot of body talk in this episode. Bodies are discussed with infinite love for all, and not in a way we ourselves thought prohibitively hard to listen to — but perhaps listen with a spot of caution if you’ve experienced sh*tty sh*t from people’s or society’s treatment of your body. (And/or listen with righteous anger if MFers have made you feel like anything at all is wrong with you.) Sam and I both discuss sexual experiences that were directly or indirectly traumatic (not, however, depressingly so much as analytically), and we talk about boobs, chests, and clits.
Music:
* "Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
* "Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
* "Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
* "Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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Sam and Rachel co-chair an adventure through the hills and valleys of our recent and longstanding butch feels (including, yes, this episode's title), talk about the words that scare us away from social media, and engage in a rousing game of F*ck F*ck Goose.Music:
* "Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
* "Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
* "Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
* "Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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Cowboy Jen (TikTok @cowboyjen, Instagram @cowboyjippy, Tumblr @cowboyjen68, YouTube @cowboyjen1) and Rachel pick up where our last episode left off, this time covering the range of human experiences that exist somewhere between teenage volleyball feelings and Bigfoot encounters. But indeed, this episode is about stories. Cowboy Jen shows us the beauty we can achieve when we dare to communicate.
Music:
* "Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
* "Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
* "Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
* "Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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Cowboy Jen (TikTok @cowboyjen, Instagram @cowboyjippy, Tumblr @cowboyjen68, YouTube @cowboyjen1) drops in to talk to Rachel about lesbian friendships, solidarity in the “queer community,” her journey to butch identity, and what it's like to be Lesbian Internet Famous.
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Music:
* "Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
* "Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
* "Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
* "Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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trans misogyny /tranz spās məˈsäjənē/ (n.): internalized misogyny that expresses itself externally through disidentification with women… and asserting the right to assess a woman’s intelligence, legitimacy, or moral worth based on what your bro says
In this episode, two butch lesbians examine how it could be that the very people who assert authority on female masculinity apparently think we’re unicorns, and how an unhinged disrespect toward feminine women tracks pretty closely with that ignorance.
Context:
https://stonebutchdisco.substack.com/p/ending-our-relationship-with-aaron
A bit after we recorded this podcast, we received yet another email—this one based on the theory that our post above was sponsored by an international conspiracy. You can read it here, in these attached (redacted) screenshots: https://open.substack.com/pub/stonebutchdisco/p/s2-e1-thats-a-rare-fking-womanPaid Substack subscribers enjoy exclusive early access to new content, including video versions of the latest episodes.
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Note to listeners: This is a re-release from the original Stone Butch Disco pod, with a little editing :)
[An after-the-fact heads up! My (Rachel, your host's) "NSFW" content warning arrives too late in this episode to halt your progression into explicit sex talk! This probably also proves the futility of SBD content warnings.]
Have you ever sat through horrendous "lesbian porn"? Boring? Male gaze-y? Distractingly inauthentic noises? If so, this episode's for you. Maribel and Jenny grace Sam and Rachel with their wisdom on the techniques and technology to avoid any situation remotely akin to Pornhub's "lesbian" (there aren't enough air quotes in the world) wing.
We also talk media representation and how, perhaps by some coincidence, male-owned media companies don't seem interested in showing a male-passing female butch lesbian strapping a feminine female woman where both partners are into it and loving life.
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Music, in order of appearance:
"Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
"Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
"Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
"Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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Jenny (@bmorefemme on Instagram) and her wife Maribel (a.k.a. MB, @bmorebutch on Instagram), a downright legendary butch-femme couple, join Sam and Rachel to discuss the Old Sex Wars, the New Sex Wars, and what it was like mail-ordering dildos in the '90s.
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Music, in order of appearance:
* "Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
* "Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
* "Postapocalyptic Funk," by SINY, via Epidemic Sound
* "Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
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By request of several listeners and of my own heart, I made a longer-form introduction to Episode 4 that I ended up (duh, should have done this in the first place) pulling out as its own clip.
I've edited, reedited, fleshed it out, and here it is.
This minisode was prompted by some "fun" stuff on the Stone Butch Disco Instagram this week. [TL;DR: on the IG, some folks took our site's female lesbian namesake, Leslie Feinberg, whose website prominently displays her femaleness and she/her pronouns, and told us she was *actually* male -- then weaponized that fabrication to explain to us how the central aims of our project, 1) fighting for butch lesbians like us to reclaim our female bodies from the patriarchy and 2) fighting for femme lesbians to be allowed to say they exclusively desire female butch women, are both immoral and unenlightened to the obvious fact that sex is made up.]
I recorded this as a "toolkit" for anyone listening anywhere who has experienced similar hostilities, online or IRL, for talking about the specific ways they experience being a butch lesbian or a femme lesbian. (If you know, you know.) If this hasn't happened to you, great! I'm glad the queer community respects somebody. But if it has, here's something I hope helps. I'm learning more and more how many people share with me, but are as terrified as I have been of talking about, the routine experience of being told their language for their own political analysis of their own identity is not just difficult, or even unpalatable, but also makes them a shitty dumb idiot meanie.
Again: if that's not you, then ignore this one! It'll probably sound too quasi-academic and too much "blah blah." But if that is you, I hope this gives you a back-pocket resource to remind you (and me) there's not any damn thing wrong with us, and that Leslie Feinberg was a proud female lesbian who promoted transing gender conventions precisely because she fucked with gender like we do.
Like a female-out-of-line does.
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In Stone Butch Disco's first episode, Rachel and Meredith lay out the SBD project's theoretical foundations while talking about their experiences and making a combination of smart and stupid jokes.
Check out the goods, including Rachel's writing and all the merch we thought (at the time) was a good idea, at: https://www.stonebutchdisco.com
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Music used in this episode, in order of appearance:
"Glad It's Over," by White Bones, via Epidemic Sound
"Get Outta My Face," by Wanda Shakes, via Epidemic Sound
"Pep Talk (Clean Version)," by Xavy Rusan, via Epidemic Sound
Rachel's own shameless Beegees parody
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