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  • In his book, The Myth of Normal, Dr. Gabor Mate points out that all children have 4 irreducible needs:

    a sense of security trust in the world interrelationships with others connection to your authentic emotions…

    And the way that they get these needs met is the availability of an attuned, non-stressed and emotionally reliable caregiver. The more stressed or distracted the caregiver, then the shakier the emotional architecture of the child’s mind will be.

    And that’s the crux of it all…how do we set up parents and families to be able to be those attuned, non-stressed and emotionally available caregivers?

    Julie and Ginger want to share this message from Dr. Mate and talk about how it aligns with so much of what ATN believes about Attachment being the Antidote, but also about how we have to advocate for what families need in today’s society.

    We highly recommend The Myth of Normal by Gabor Mate, MD and Daniel Mate

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk with Rabbi Heather Altman about Attachment, Yoga, and Somatic Experiencing. She is a trauma specialist and a parent coach. She specializes in disruptive behavior in families. Her goal is to help her clients experience more comfort, more calm, and more compassion in their lives. She helps families develop deeper connections between the parents and children. Isn’t that what we all want.

    AND … she is mother of triplets!!!!

    Heather says that “We need to find some level of OKness. Pleasure and joy are a goal, but OKness is actually OK.”

    Listen in to learn more about somatic experiencing. Find out what it is and how Heather combines that with yoga.

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  • In this episode Julie and Ginger talk about the 3Es of trauma. SAMHSA, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration of the US government, coined the term “the 3Es” and this has become core to the definition of trauma. The 3Es is a very basic concept but, while it is very basic, it isn’t simple. To determine if something is traumatizing, we can’t judge based on whether we think the event should be traumatizing. It is very individualized.

    SAMHSA says, “Individual trauma results from an event, series of events or set of circumstances, that is experienced by an individual as physically or emotionally harmful or life-threatening, and that has a lasting adverse effect on the individual’s functioning and mental, physical, social, emotional, or spiritual wellbeing.”

    The 3Es are: Event, Experience, and Effect.

    Events happen and that doesn’t mean it is traumatizing. Not everyone present at the event is traumatized. It depends on how you experience the event and how it affects your life. It is truly individualized.

    Listen in as Julie and Ginger talk about what makes an event more likely to be traumatizing and how this can be mitigated.

    Remember – Your trauma is not my trauma! And, no one gets to pick their trauma. It is truly the nervous system’s response.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Robyn Gobbel into the studio. Robyn loves cultivating deep, resonant connections with anyone who is up for it, and especially loves teaching anyone who will listen how to harness the power of neuroscience so they can cultivate deep, resonant connections, too. Robyn says, “Really, what would change in the world if we could all see, be with, feel, and deeply know each other…and ourselves. I think everything would change!”

    Before the COVID-19 pandemic, Robyn was a therapist for almost 20 years, specializing in complex trauma, attachment, and adoption. Now, she creates communities and educational experiences grounded in regulation, connection, and felt safety for parents and professionals all over the world. Robyn is an author, podcast host and parenting coach.

    Robyn’s approach is based in neuroscience. She takes that complex topic and brings it to a level where parents can grasp it. Once we understand neuroscience, we can really begin to trust our intuitions. Neuroscience helps us stop applying band aids to behaviors. Instead, we can comprehend what is going on underneath the behaviors. This changes our approach.

    Listen in as Robyn talks about specific behaviors, such as lying. That a big one! She breaks down the difference between normal lying and abnormal lying. And then she talks about what is really going on beneath the lying. She says that it all boils down to felt safety, connectedness and regulation.

    For more information about Robyn, go to her website at RobynGobbel.com. There you can find a lot of free resources. To order her book, Raising Kids with Big Baffling Behaviors, go to ATN’s Bookshop at https://bookshop.org/p/books/raising-kids-with-big-baffling-behaviors-brain-body-sensory-strategies-that-really-work-robyn-gobbel/19679331?aid=22880&ean=9781839974281&listref=resources-for-parents-912ec909-948a-4642-aa54-957538d26cb8.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Yvonne Johnson into the studio. Yvonne is the 58th president of the National PTA. She is committed to being intentional about creating more inclusion and diversity in schools, and she focuses on strengthening family and school partnerships. Yvonne has been involved in the PTA for over 30 years!

    The PTA’s mission is “Making sure that every child reaches their full potential by engaging and empowering families and communities to advocate for all children.” Yvonne says that she serves as the voice for families around all education issues.

    Listen in to learn what led Yvonne to be so passionate about trauma-informed education and learn more about the PTA’s current initiatives. These initiatives include federal, state, and local policies that keep our students healthy, supported and safe. A safe school is a priority for the National PTA.

    ATN is so honored to be mission aligned with the National PTA.

    If you want to learn more about the initiatives that were mentioned, go to:

    https://www.pta.org/home/advocacy/ptas-positions/Individual-Position-Statements/Position-Statement-Trauma-Informed-Care

    https://www.pta.org/home/events/National-PTA-Legislative-Conference

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1426?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22The+RISE+Act%22%7D&s=1&r=3

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Jen Alexander and Jennifer Dickey into the studio. They have come to talk about executive function skills and working memory. You may recognize Jen Alexander, as she has been in the studio several times. She is an educator, national certified counselor, school based registered play therapist and a leader in the movement to build trauma-sensitive schools. Jen is the author of Building Trauma-Sensitive Schools: Your Guide to Creating Safe, Supportive Learning Environments for All Students.

    Jennifer Dickey’s passion is in designing academic and effective support for divergent learners. She is the founder of Lotus Cognitive Solutions Groups, which provides coaching for children and adults with ADHD and Dyslexia. She is a classroom teacher, a gifted and talented specialist, an academic language specialist, and a full-time college professor.

    Together, they have developed a new guide to help educators, entitled Supporting Students’ Executive Function Skill in the Trauma-Sensitive Classroom: Focusing in on working memory. The guide has 8 colorful panels with practical advice broken into bite sized chunks. It explains how to recognize working memories challenges and how to shift your paradigm from “Why aren’t you doing your work?” to “What is difficult about this work?”

    Listen in to learn exactly what working memory is and why it is critical to school success.

  • Today, Julie and Ginger invite Dr. Susan Hopkins into the studio. Dr. Hopkins, along with Dr. Stuart Shanker, will be keynoting at ATN’s 7th Annual Creating Trauma-Sensitive Schools Conference in February 2024. Dr. Shaker is the MEHRIT Centre and Self-Reg Founder, and Dr. Hopkins is the Executive Director of the Self-Reg organization. Together they have authored several books. They are a powerful team! To learn more, go to www.self-reg.ca.

    Dr. Hopkins has over 20 years of experience in all levels of education, including roles as teacher, vice-principal, curriculum developer, and inclusion coordinator. Oh, and she is a mom. All of this experience has made her well-equipped to show us the need to be self-regulated.

    In this episode, Dr. Hopkins tells us exactly what Self-Reg is about, and she explains how it is anchored in understanding the brain-body science of stress. We all understand the meaning of self-regulation, but the Self-Reg Framework consists of 5 steps to deal with stress so that we can experience calm in our minds and bodies. At the MEHRIT Centre, people who care for and work with children and youth are taught the skills needed to better support dysregulated kids.

    Listen in as Dr. Hopkins reviews the five steps of this framework and gives examples of how to implement each one. You don’t want to miss this! And, you don’t want to miss hearing Drs. Shanker and Hopkins speak at our upcoming conference. For more information, go to www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/conference.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger invite Lorraine Schneider into the studio to chat about the episodes from season 3 and there were some really great ones! Lorraine is a member of the ATN hard-working staff and one of her responsibilities is to edit the podcasts. As a result, she has listened to every one of them!

    As Lorraine says, “Yes, I have listened to each podcast and every one has great nuggets to take from it and apply to life each day.”

    Julie follows that up with, “You can’t go wrong with any of our episodes, we hate to brag, but….”

    Listen in as Julie, Ginger and Lorraine chat about the episodes that left an impression on them and why. We hope that you have a few extra moments to listen to some of our favorites during this holiday season. It’s a great time to catch up!

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger welcome Dr. Aimie into the studio. Basically, Dr. Aimie is amazing. She is a double board-certified physician, boarded in both preventive and addiction medicine. Additionally, she is a foster mom and an adoptive mom.

    Through her journey, trauma became her own personal story. She realized that we talk about feelings but there is a biological piece that has been missing. As Dr. Aimie says, “Life experiences become one with biology.” Listen in to hear what she has to say about the connection between one’s biology and one’s attachment style. Also, listen and learn how we can use biology to alter attachment. Fascinating stuff!

    Visit Dr. Aimie’s web page at www.TheEmbodyLab.com. There you can find many resources including a guide to specific imbalances that occur in the body that hinder attachment.

    Dr. Aimie wants us to remember that “We have to integrate the biological approach with the therapeutic approach.” The two go hand-in-hand.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger delve into the definitions of trauma-informed. While this seems very simple, there are many definitions floating out there and we wanted to clarify exactly what ATN uses in its definitions. When ATN was created, there was no true concept of trauma and its effects on our children. Thankfully, the trauma-informed movement has gained momentum throughout the last decade and half. As a result, we see a lot of people throwing around the word “trauma” when they really mean something else.

    So, at ATN, we researched many resources to develop our definitions. In this episode, we first define trauma-aware. The next level is trauma-informed. Then comes along trauma-sensitive. The final step in the process is being trauma-responsive. Listen in to learn what these terms mean.

    One thing we learned along the way is that you can’t just learn to be trauma-sensitive. Julie says, “It is something that you truly become.” Julie and Ginger explain what that paradigm shift means.

    ATN is currently developing a Certification Program with levels for individuals, schools, and organizations. Stay tuned to learn more about this program and its expected release in the Spring of 2024.

  • Today Julie and Ginger are talking about the 3 G’s: Gratitude, Grounding and Glimmers. These are basic mindfulness strategies that provide emotional safety in both the home and the classroom. This is a hard time of year for those of us who are emotionally stressed, and our stressors really start to build up with work schedules, school schedules and work schedules during the holiday season. People can actually start to dread this time of year. But, as Ginger says, “Not only can we survive, but hopefully we can learn to thrive.”

    You must give yourself permission to pause, reflect, make things smaller, dial down the craziness and really focus on what is important. Only then will the season truly shine. We need to know that “These are practices we must learn and seek out. We can’t wait for them to come to us,” says Julie. Listen and learn how to find your Gratitude, Grounding and Glimmer ideas that you can use throughout this holiday season and beyond.

    To view the resources that are discussed in this podcast go to: https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/Triggers-and-Glimmers-map.pdf,https://www.attachmenttraumanetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/Glimmer-personal_profile_map.pdf and https://www.developgoodhabits.com/mindfulness-worksheets/

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about the school to prison pipeline with Leonard Webb. What an important topic this is! Leonard retired from law enforcement and now uses his experience to address the issues of exclusionary discipline, implicit biases, and structural racism. His goal is to improve the educational outcomes of students by improving relationships between administrators, teachers, parents, and students. Leonard provides equity-based solutions by bringing accountability to school leaders while increasing attendance and decreasing suspensions and expulsions. He was appointed by Governor Hogan to the Juvenile Justice School Board in the state of Maryland.

    Listen in to learn what the school to prison pipeline really is, why it is important, and how we can work to reduce its numbers. Mr. Webb states, “Underfunded schools lead to overcrowded prisons.” There is a direct correlation and many ways to make a difference. He uses the concept of RISK - establish Real relationships, have Intentional interactions, create Safe spaces, and Keep asking questions. Yes, it takes us out of our comfort zone but that is what a risk is. It is a shift of our focus.

    Leonard tells us that it may not be easy, but it is really very simple.

    To learn more about Leonard Webb and his program, visit his Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/webbolutionary/ or go to http://endtheschool2prisonpipeline.com/. You can also email him directly at [email protected].

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger discuss the Vagus nerve and other occupational therapist topics with Allison Morgan. Allison is the founder and CEO of Zensational Kids, an educational company with the vision of providing schools and organizations with professional development focused on boosting mental health and well-being and learning for the entire school community. Allison creates programs that integrate trauma-responsive approaches, mindfulness, and Social-Emotional learning. Zensational Kids practices can be found in over 100 countries and 11,000 schools worldwide.

    When Allison was practicing occupational therapy in the school system, she saw that when she implemented yoga and mindfulness into the sessions, many of the goals were achieved. She realized that she needed to move away from the handwriting practice, the shoelace tying, the check list sheets, and the behavior charts. Change must come from the inside out and this led Allison to learn more about the nervous system and the Vagus nerve.

    Listen in to learn exactly what the Vagus nerve is and where it is in the body. Allison leads us through several exercises aimed at calming our nervous system.

    To learn more about Zensational Kids and to access Allison’s free resources, go to: https://zensationalkids.com/.

  • In this episode Julie and Ginger talk about the Inner Working Model. This is basically the blueprint for how we connect with others.

    John Bowlby says it best – “All of us, from cradle to grave, are happiest when life is organized as a series of excursions, long or short, from the secure base provided by our attachment figures.” What is a secure base? What is the attachment cycle? Why does it matter? Listen in to learn how the answers to these questions lead to a person’s inner working model and how that affects them for the rest of their life.

    Dr. Lou Cozolino says, “Brains link together. We are social creatures and our biologies are interwoven. Each brain is dependent on the scaffolding of caregivers and loved ones for survival, growth, and wellbeing. There are no single brains. Each brain adapts according to other brains they are surrounded by.” This is all based on our first relationships and the best way to therapeutically care for children is to understand our own inner working model.

    Because - When we know better, we do better.

  • In this episode, the studio is full. Julie and Ginger have Jen Alexander and Anna Paravano as guests. Jen Alexander is a veteran educator, counselor, and long-time ATN friend. She is a passionate leader in the building of trauma-sensitive schools. Anna Paravano is also a long-time ATN friend and previous board member. Anna’s background is in interior design. She is a professional interior designer with over 40 years of experience, and she teaches at the college level. They are both moms to children with developmental trauma.

    These two ladies united to create a quick guide on how to create a safe and supportive physical environment using a trauma-informed lens. This guide can be purchased by going to ATN’s bookshop at https://bookshop.org/shop/AttachmentTraumaNetwork.

    The guide offers practical advice linked to what we can do right now, right here, to support students and adults. We must emember that good design is different for children than it is for adults. Children see their environment from another lens. Jen says, “Design is about how we use the space and interact in the space,” so, listen in to hear Jen and Anna talk about how décor looks in a trauma-sensitive design.

    To learn more about these two ladies, go to www.Growing-at-Home.com or www.msjenalexander.com.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger are talking about relationships between parents and teachers with their guest host, Jessica Harris. Jessica was a teacher with 17 years of experience until she began the CLIMB program. As an alternative to out of school suspensions, the CLIMB program provides students with intensive instruction and support while keeping them in school. Through this program, Jess is changing the educational landscape and using teacher-parent relationships as a tool.

    We know that relationships are key between the teacher and their students, but what about between teachers and the parents? How do we initiate this relationship? How can we get off on the right foot? How do we approach this from a trauma informed lens? And - Why is it so important?

    Listen in to learn what needs parents have, what needs teachers have and how we can fill those needs. The relationship between the parents and teacher is the key. The biggest obstacle to forming these relationships is time. Jess shares some tips to work around this obstacle.

    Jess says, “We must share every win that every child achieves.” It is critical.

  • In this episode, we have invited a guest host, Kimberly Smathers, into the studio. Kimberly is on the Board of Directors of the Attachment & Trauma Network, and she is a true champion of ATN’s work. Kimberly is talking with Ginger Healy about her recent book, Regulation and Co-Regulation: Accessible Neuroscience and Connection Strategies that Bring Calm into the Classroom (15-Minute Focus).

    You know Ginger as the co-host of this Regulated and Relational podcast, but what you may not know is that Ginger is a clinical social worker with almost 30 years of experience. She has worked as a child abuse investigator, a hospital social worker, and a school therapist. Oh – and she is a mom to children with special needs. So, she is very well positioned to author this book!

    Ginger’s book is a quick and easy read, something we all need in our busy lives. Ginger points out that we aren’t born with the ability to regulate on our own. It takes years of experiences (and millions of those experiences) of co-regulation for us to develop that skill.

    Listen in to learn the difference between accountability and punishment. Why is accountability healing? Why is punishment traumatizing? How can we use this knowledge to heal our entire community?

    To order Ginger’s book, go to ATN’s bookshop at https://bookshop.org/p/books/15-minute-focus-regulation-and-co-regulation-accessible-neuroscience-and-connection-strategies-that-bring-calm-into-the-classroom-brief-counseling-gin/19786117?aid=22880&ean=9781953945792&listref=resources-for-educators

    You can also reach out to Ginger at [email protected]. She would love to hear from you.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger talk about Belonging. And what an important concept that really is! Love and belonging are crucial human needs and Brene Brown says, “You can’t study emotions and experiences that define being human without constantly bumping into the concept of belonging.” It is that primal!

    Listen in to learn the difference between fitting in and belonging. Spoiler alert – its all about relationships because true belonging doesn’t require you to change who you are, it requires you to be who you are.

    Why is belonging so difficult for those with trauma? How does lack of belonging relate to drug abuse? How does belonging release endorphins in our brains?

    To learn more about “The Belonging Barometer” study, go to https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/the-belonging-barometer

    And remember - we are a social species. We must belong.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger explore the concept of grief by welcoming Emelio Parga into the studio. Emelio is the founder and Executive Director of the Solace Tree, a grief and loss support center for children, teens and adults in Reno, NV. He coordinates support groups there and in the schools in Nevada. Emelio has collaborated to create The Good Grief Project for K-12 students who have experienced loss. Additionally, he teaches courses on death and dying.

    Emelio says that “Grief impacts everyone” and “We all carryour own griefcase”. We can help others process their grief by listening and hearing. “It’s the little things that are really the big things,” he says. And by listening, you may be the lifeline for someone.

    Robin Williams says that “Everyone is battling something that you know nothing about. Be kind always.” We must become doers, not just passive watchers! Be kind. Always.

    To learn more about the Solace Tree and The Good Grief Project, go to https://www.solacetree.org/.

  • In this episode, Julie and Ginger are deep-diving into the concept of curiosity. Brene Brown defines curiosity as recognizing a gap in our knowledge about something that interests us and becoming emotionally and cognitively invested in closing that gap though exploration and learning. This differs from simply being interested in something. Interest is just a state. Curiosity can be both a state and a trait.

    Listen in to hear the benefits of curiosity. It is positive to be curious and the curiosity of other people is a great way to build relationships. Relationships are of utmost importance with the children in our lives and therefore, curiosity is of utmost importance. As every teacher knows, if you get a child interested in something, the other things around that lesson will also be taken in. Curiosity must be in every classroom!

    Learn why entering curiosity can be scary. It is basically a not- knowing-stance and we must make it ok to not know. We must model it. We have to show that being curious has great rewards.

    We are curious about what you are curious about. Send us a message at [email protected] about how curiosity affects your life. We want to know!