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  • In what's become a bit of a Decoder tradition, I spoke with Google CEO Sundar Pichai in person after I/O. The conference this year was all about AI, particularly a slew of actual AI products, not just models and capabilities.

    To Sundar, this marks the beginning of a new era for search and the web overall. So I had to ask: what happens to the web when AI tools and eventually agents do most of the browsing for us? It was a very Decoder conversation. Read the full transcript here.

    Links: 


    Help us plan the future of Decoder! | AUDIENCE SURVEY


    The 15 biggest announcements at Google I/O 2025 | Verge


    We tried on Google’s prototype AI smart glasses | Verge


    AI Mode is obviously the future of Google Search | Verge


    News publishers call Google’s AI Mode ‘theft’ | Verge


    Details leak about Jony Ive’s OpenAI device | Verge


    DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open monopoly | Verge


    Google Zero is here — now what? | Verge


    Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi is okay reinventing the bus | Decoder



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  • Today, I’m talking with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi. We recorded this conversation on the same day Uber announced a big set of product updates, including new options for shared rides. Dara was in New York for all that, so he came to our studio and we did this one together, which always makes for a great episode. 

    If you’ve been listening to Decoder recently, you know that I’m very curious about how service apps like Uber will handle things like AI agents. Dara had a lot of thoughts there. There’s a lot in this one, and Dara didn’t hold back. I think you’re going to like it.

    Links: 


    Uber’s new bus-like feature is nearly 50 percent cheaper than UberX | Verge


    An interview with Dara Khosrowshahi | Stratechery


    Uber preps for Waymo’s robotaxi launch in Atlanta | Verge


    Uber ends year in the black for the first time ever | Verge


    Uber’s not out of the woods yet | Verge


    UberX Share brings carpooling back to NYC and eight other cities | Verge


    Uber CEO vows to be ‘hardcore’ about costs, slow hiring | Verge



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  • Today, I’m talking with Kevin Scott, the chief technology officer of Microsoft, and one of the company’s AI leaders. Kevin is one of my favorite repeat Decoder guests, and he joined the show this time to talk about the future of search. 

    Microsoft just announced an open-source tool for websites to integrate AI powered natural language search with just a little bit of effort, in a way that lets them actually run whatever models they want and keep control of their data. I saw some demos before Kevin and I chatted, and the improvements over the bad local search on most sites was obvious. So we talked about what this will mean for AI, for search engines, and for the future of the web. 



    Links: 


    Microsoft’s plan to fix the web: letting every website run AI search for cheap | Verge


    Microsoft Build 2025: news and announcements from the developer conference | Verge


    Introducing the Model Context Protocol | Anthropic


    Copyright Office head fired after reporting AI training isn’t always fair use | Ars Technica


    Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI and art will coexist in the future | Decoder


    Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott thinks Sydney might make a comeback | Decoder


    Microsoft’s CTO explains how AI can help health care in the US right now | Vergecast





    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/669409



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  • Today, I’m talking with Gerrit Kazmaier, the brand-new president of product and technology at Workday. Gerrit’s new on the job, maybe a little bit braver than most, and to his credit he came on the show and took the heat. We spent a lot of time talking about what enterprise software really is, what it does and why it has a reputation of being so deeply frustrating for so many people. 

    Links: 


    Workday names Gerrit Kazmaier president of product and technology | Workday


    AI Index Report | Stanford HAI


    IBM AI Study | IBM


    How generative AI will impact the future of work | Workday


    Workday launches platform for companies to manage all of their AI agents | TechCrunch


    Everyone hates Workday | Business Insider


    Judge: Workday must face novel AI bias lawsuit | Reuters


    Workday lays off 1,750, 8.5% of employees, in AI push | Associated Press


    Why Workday's CEO made a layoff decision to invest in AI | FastCompany



    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/667538



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  • We’re doing something a little different today — I asked my friend John Gruber of Daring Fireball to come on the show and talk about the future of Apple, and, importantly, the App Store. I wanted to talk about the most recent ruling in the Epic v. Apple legal saga.

    But I also wanted to talk about the big picture at Apple, and why the company seems to have found itself being hammered on all sides: by the developers that feel it’s become too greedy, by federal court judges that no longer trust it, and by regulators now threatening some of its major cash cows. 

    Links: 


    Judge rules, in excoriating decision, that Apple violated 2021 order | Daring Fireball


    Steve Jobs’ response on Section 3.3.1 | Tao Effect Blog


    Epic submitted Fortnite to Apple | Verge


    Eddy Cue is fighting to save Apple’s $20 billion paycheck from Google | Verge


    Epic is offering developers an alternative to Apple’s in-app purchases | Verge


    Epic says Fortnite is coming back to iOS in the US | Verge


    Apple files appeal to wrest back control of its App Store | Verge


    ‘Cook chose poorly’: how Apple blew up its control over the App Store | Verge


    Apple changes App Store rules to allow external purchases | Verge

    Existential thoughts about Apple’s reliance on Services revenue | Six Colors



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  • Today, I’m talking with Paul Bascobert, who is the president of Reuters, as part of a special Thursday series we’re running this month to explore how leaders at some world’s biggest companies make decisions in such a rapidly changing environment. Reuters is a great company for us to kick off with, because it’s been around since 1851, when the hot technology enabling mass media was the telegraph. 

    Here, today, in 2025, the tech driving media has clearly changed more than a little bit. Distribution in a world full of iPhones and generative AI is a really different proposition than distributing media 50 years before the invention of the radio. So there’s a lot here, and you’ll hear Paul and I get deep into basically every Decoder theme there is.

    Links: 


    The Trust Principles | Reuters


    Brendan Carr’s FCC is an anti-consumer, rights-trampling harassment machine | Verge


    AP wins reinstatement to White House events | AP 

    NYT publisher AG Sulzberger on Trump, OpenAI and the economy | Channels


    Dow Jones CEO Almar Latour on AI, press freedom, and the future of news | Decoder

    Platforms need the news — but they’re killing it | Decoder


    Why The Atlantic signed a deal with OpenAI | Decoder


    Platformer’s Casey Newton on surviving the great media collapse | Decoder





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  • Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. We’re off today, but we’ll be back Thursday, so stay tuned. In the meantime, we have an excellent episode from Business Insider Chief Correspondent Peter Kafka, who hosts the media podcast Channels.

    In this episode, Peter sat down with one of the biggest names in journalism: New York Times publisher AG Sulzberger. It’s a fascinating conversation that covers some of the most pressing issues facing journalism and the news business today. We think you’ll like it. 

    Links:


    NYT publisher AG Sulzberger on Trump, OpenAI and the economy | Channels


    New York Times Reports 350,000 Additional Digital Subscribers | NYT


    IGN and CNET owner Ziff Davis sues OpenAI | Verge


    The New York Times is suing OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement | Verge


    Dow Jones CEO Almar Latour on AI, press freedom, and the future of news | Decoder


    Platforms need the news — but they’re killing it | Decoder


    Why The Atlantic signed a deal with OpenAI | Decoder


    Platformer’s Casey Newton on surviving the great media collapse | Decoder



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  • A lot has happened in the first 100 days of Trump's second term. It’s nearly too much to keep up with, really, but we're going to try. Verge policy editor Adi Robertson joins Decoder this week to talk through six of the biggest stories and themes we're covering, from tariffs to TikTok to DOGE.

    Links: 


    Donald Trump’s first 100 days: all the news affecting the tech industry | Verge


    The DOGE days have just begun | Verge


    America is living in tariff limbo | Verge


    MAGA’s next wave of influencers saved TikTok | Verge


    Whatever happened to the Kids’ Online Safety Act? | Verge


    Brendan Carr’s FCC is an anti-consumer, rights-trampling harassment machine | Verge


    Environmental warning systems are suffering from Trump’s data purge | Verge


    Why Trump can’t be trusted with Congress’ new anti-deepfake bill | Decoder


    How Trump’s tariffs actually work on the ground | Decoder


    The FCC is a weapon in Trump’s war on free speech | Decoder



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  • A few days ago, I hosted a panel with FTC commissioners Rebecca Slaughter and Alvaro Bedoya at the IAPP Global Privacy Summit in Washington, DC. We recorded the discussion, and we’re bringing it to you today.

    Normal Decoder stuff, but these are anything but normal times. Becca and Alvaro were FTC commissioners until very recently, when President Donald Trump fired them — but he doesn't have that legal authority. They’re suing to get their jobs back, and they’re prepared to go all the way to SCOTUS if they have to.



    Links: 




    Trump fires Democratic FTC commissioners | The Verge





    Fired FTC commissioners sue Trump | The Verge





    The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger | The Verge





    The government doesn’t understand Meta | The Verge





    FTC v Meta live: updates from the battle for Instagram, WhatsApp | The Verge





    DOGE has arrived at the FTC | The Verge





    Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s failed negotiations with the FTC | Wall Street Journal





    FTC chair says he’d drop Meta case if lawfully ordered to | The Verge





    Bedoya warns of “corrupting influence of billionaires”| The Verge





    The FTC has enough staff to sue Amazon, after all | The Verge




    Transcript: ⁠https://www.theverge.com/e/657115⁠



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  • Today we’re talking about the very real possibility that Google might be broken up by the United States government. And to do that, I’m talking to Jonathan Kanter, the former assistant attorney general for antitrust under the Biden administration. Kanter left the DOJ after Trump was elected, but he was the architect of the major antitrust cases the Trump administration continues to pursue against Google. That means he’s much more free to share his thoughts on what it took to build and win both of these cases and what should happen next.


    Links: 


    Google loses ad tech monopoly case | Verge


    Google is in more danger than ever of being broken up | Verge


    OpenAI tells judge it would buy Chrome from Google | Verge


    The high stakes of Google’s monopoly trial | Verge


    DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open search monopoly | Verge


    Google makes history with rapid-fire antitrust losses | NYT


    Read the antitrust ruling against Google | NYT


    Google ad monopoly ruling's surprise winner: OpenAI | Axios


    DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict | Decoder


    DOJ’s Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning | Decoder




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  • As CEO of Verizon's consumer division, Sowmyanarayan Sampath oversees the biggest part of the company, which does business with roughly a third of the entire country. He's a longtime Verge reader, so we  talked very directly about whether the huge 5G investment had actually paid off, and whether – whether the “race” we were supposedly in with China was actually worth it, and what kinds of new apps and services actually come to light.



    And while Verizon fought tooth and nail against regulations like net neutrality, the current Trump administration isn’t nearly as hands-off when it comes to things like  holding up deals because of DEI policies — something that’s happening to Verizon right now. So I had to ask Sampath if he was going to push back on that kind of government overreach as hard as Verizon has in the past.



    Links: 


    The US government makes a $42 million bet on OpenRAN | The Verge


    FCC scrutinizes Verizon’s $9.6 billion Frontier deal over DEI | USA Today


    Verizon offers a three-year price lock — but there’s a catch | The Verge


    T-Mobile updates its DEI policy to get Lumos deal approved | Fierce Network


    We don’t need net neutrality; we need competition (2014) | Ars Technica


    Wireless and cable industries sue to kill net neutrality (2015) | The Verge


    Everything Verizon says in this terrible video against net neutrality (2017) | The Verge


    Report: Most Americans have no real choice in internet providers | ILSR


    T-Mobile’s merger promises couldn’t make a carrier out of Dish | The Verge





    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/652470



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  • One of the ways I’ve been trying to sort out the chaos of tariffs and trade wars is by talking to the people behind the software that makes the global trade system go. So today I wanted to bring back one of my favorite Decoder guests: Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen, whose software manages the logistics of moving things around the world, from factory to doorstep. 

    We didn’t get too much into the numbers — those tariff percentages keep changing — so instead Ryan and I really focused on how this system works, how it’s supposed to work, and how it’s working now, if it’s working at all. 


    Links: 


    Flexport Tariff Live Blog | Flexport


    US tariffs: how Trump’s tax is hitting Big Tech and beyond | Verge


    How much will Trump’s tariffs cost U.S. importers? | NYT


    How much are tariffs on Chinese goods? It’s tricky | NYT


    How Trump’s tariff chaos is already changing global trade | Decoder


    Can software simplify the supply chain? Ryan Petersen thinks so | Decoder


    Why Flexport CEO Ryan Petersen took his company back | Decoder


    The U.S.-China decoupling arrives | Axios




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  • Today, I’m talking with Vlad Tenev, the co-founder and CEO of Robinhood, which started as a way to open up stock trading. But the company’s ambitions have grown over time – and they’re getting bigger. Just a day before Vlad and I talked, Robinhood announced it would soon be offering bank accounts and wealth management services, which would really allow Robinhood to be involved with your money at every possible level. 

    So I was very interested to sit down with Vlad and really hash out where Robinhood is going, and why he’s so adamant that certain big ideas, like prediction markets based around everything from sports games to presidential elections, are going to play a pivotal role in the future of finance.


    Links: 


    Robinhood CEO Vlad Tenev on markets for everything | Hard Fork


    Robinhood is launching bank accounts | Verge


    Kalshi sues Nevada and New Jersey regulators | Esports Insider


    Kalshi CEO: ‘State law doesn’t really apply’ to us | TechCrunch


    Robinhood debuts a sports gambling hub | Verge


    The SEC has ended its investigation into Robinhood crypto | Verge


    Robinhood admits it’s just a gambling app | Verge


    Massachusetts regulator subpoenas Robinhood over sports betting | CNN



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  • Rohit Chopra was the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau head until the end of January, when President Donald Trump fired him and Elon Musk’s DOGE began trying to dismantle the agency. The CFPB has been pretty popular since it was founded in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis to protect consumers, so shutting it down has kicked off a bunch of controversies — not least of which was whether Trump and Musk even had the power to do it.

    This all led me to ask several times who made the decision to fire him, who is currently responsible for the various policies of our government, and whether any of those things add up to a clear plan. Some of the most powerful executives in the world answer questions like this on Decoder all the time. But Rohit just didn’t know — and that should probably be as worrying as anything.

    Links: 


    Trump fires CFPB director Rohit Chopra | Associated Press


    Trump orders CFPB to stop work, closes building | Associated Press


    CFPB workers reinstated after court order but still can’t work | The Verge


    Trump admin to appeal order blocking CFPB shutdown | Bloomberg Law


    A shady tech bootcamp may be sneaking back online | The Verge


    CFPB won’t enforce long-awaited payday lending rule | Bloomberg Law


    CFPB seeks to vacate redlining settlement, refund lender | Banking Dive


    CFPB signals it will drop rule regulating BNPL like credit cards | PYMTS


    CFPB drops fraud lawsuit against banks, Zelle | CNBC




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  • Today, I’m talking with Daniel Dines, the co-founder and once again the CEO of UiPath, a software company that specializes in something called robotic process automation. We’ve been featuring a lot of what I like to call full-circle Decoder guests on the show lately, and Daniel is a perfect example.

    He was first on the show in 2022, and UiPath has had a lot of changes since then, including a short stint with a different CEO. Daniel is now back at the helm, and the timing is important: the company needs to shift, fast, to a world of agentic AI, which is radically changing the RPA business. We got into all that and more in this episode. It’s a fun one. 


    Links: 

    UiPath’s Daniel Dines thinks automation can fight the great resignation | Decoder


    Daniel Dines: Why Agents Do Not Mean RPA is Fucked | Harry Stebbings


    UiPath to re-appoint Daniel Dines as CEO | UiPath


    UiPath shares tank 30% after company announces CEO shakeup | CNBC


    UiPath to lay off 10% of workforce in companywide restructuring | CNBC


    UiPath looks for a path to growth with Peak agentic AI acquisition | TechCrunch


    How RPA vendors aim to remain relevant in a world of AI agents | TechCrunch 

    UiPath finds firmer footing with pivot to general automation, AI | TechCrunch



    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/643562

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  • Today, we’re diving head first into the AI art debate, which to be honest, is an absolute mess. If you’ve been on the internet this past week, you’ve seen the Studio Ghibli memes. These images are everywhere — and they’ve widened an already pretty stark rift between AI boosters and critics.

    Brian Merchant, author of the newsletter and book Blood in the Machine, wrote one of the best analyses of the Ghibli trend last week. So I invited him onto the show not only to discuss this particular situation, but also to help me dissect the ongoing AI art debate more broadly. 


    Links: 

    OpenAI's Studio Ghibli meme factory is an insult to art itself | Brian Merchant


    Seattle engineer’s Ghibli-style image goes viral | Seattle Times


    OpenAI just raised another $40 billion round from SoftBank | Verge


    ChatGPT “added one million users in the last hour.” | Verge


    ChatGPT’s Ghibli filter is political now, but it always was | Verge


    OpenAI, Google ask the government to let them train on content they don’t own | Verge


    Studio Ghibli in the age of A.I. reproduction | Max Read


    OpenAI has a Studio Ghibli problem | Vergecast


    AI slop is a brute force attack on the algorithms that control reality | 404 Media


    The New Aesthetics of Fascism | New Socialist



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  • Unity is one of those hidden in plain sight companies we love here on Decoder, and CEO Matt Bromberg is in many ways the perfect Decoder guest. He's been on the job less than a year and took over in a moment of crisis. He describes the company as being "at war with its customers" before he joined, and he's not wrong.

    The game industry right now is also contracting overall — studios are closing, and some big bets on things like the metaverse and live service games haven’t paid off. So we talked about all that, and where Matt sees growth ahead: Unity isn’t just a game engine provider, but the platform for everything from running those big live services and the monetization on top of them.

    Links: 

    Unity’s struggles continue with fresh wave of layoffs | The Verge


    Unity attempts to turn things around with latest game engine release | The Verge


    Unity has eliminated its controversial runtime fee | The Verge


    ‘We want to be a fundamentally different and better company’ | IGN


    John Riccitiello is out at Unity, effective immediately | The Verge


    Unity is laying off 25% of its staff | The Verge


    Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats | The Verge


    Unity has changed its pricing model and developers are pissed off | The Verge


    Toyota chooses Unity for next-generation interface | Unity



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  • Today we’re talking about bird flu, but in a pretty Decoder way. Science journalist Lauren Leffer, who recently wrote a piece for The Verge about bird flu and how it’s becoming a forever war, is joining me on the show. We’re going to talk about the systems, structure, and culture that might control bird flu — and those that might make it worse.

    Links: 

    We’ve entered a forever war with bird flu | Verge


    Kennedy’s alarming prescription for bird flu on poultry farms | NYT


    First bird flu death in US reported in Louisiana | NYT


    Bird flu found in sheep in UK, a world first | NYT


    Shell shocked: how small eateries are dealing with record egg prices | NYT


    Animal Farm: eggflation’s monopoly problem | The Lever


    At the ‘Wall Street of Eggs,’ Demand Is Surging | WSJ


    How to protect your pets from bird flu | Popular Science


    What to know about the bird flu outbreak in wild birds | AP


    Bird flu continues to spread as Trump experts are MIA | Ars Technica



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  • Today, I’m talking with Kakul Srivastava, CEO of music creation platform Splice, which is one of the biggest marketplaces around for loops and samples. You can just go sign up, pay the money, and download these loops to try to make pop hits all day long. Take, for instance, Sabrina Carpenter’s Espresso, which was composed almost entirely out of Splice loops. 

    Now, if you’re a Decoder listener, you know that some of my favorite conversations are with people building technology products for creatives, and that I am obsessed with how technology changes the music industry, because it feels like whatever happens to music happens to everything else five years later. So this one was really interesting, because Splice is all wrapped in all of that. 

    Links: 


    Sabrina Carpenter’s Espresso highlights the way new music is made | Bloomberg


    Major record labels sue AI company behind ‘BBL Drizzy’ | Verge


    Splice CEO’s message for AI sceptics? “Trust the artists” | MusicTech


    Splice launches voice recording on Splice Mobile at SXSW | Splice


    OpenAI & Google ask government to let them train AI on content they don’t own | Verge


    AI Drake just set an impossible legal trap for Google | Verge


    Pharrell Williams: $7.3 million Blurred Lines verdict threatens all artists | Verge


    Lady Gaga, nostalgia, and the ‘reheated nachos’ phenomenon in pop culture | Her World


    AI music startups say copyright violation is just rock and roll | Verge


    Suno CEO says musicians don’t actually like making music | Vice



    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/632036

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  • Today we're talking about the Tesla Takedown protest movement, which has emerged as a way for people to express how deeply unhappy they are with Elon Musk installing himself as a not-so-shadow president who is tearing the federal government apart, leaving confusion and destruction in his wake.

    Tesla's stock price is sinking, new car registrations and down, and hype around the company is fading rapidly. There's an opportunity there for the protestors, and I asked Ed Niedermeyer on the show to help me pull it all apart.


    Links: 


    Is Tesla cooked? | Verge


    Elon Musk Has Become Too Toxic for YouTube | New York Magazine


    ‘Tesla Takedown’ wants to hit Elon Musk where it hurts | Verge


    The Tesla protests are getting bigger — and rowdier | Verge


    ‘Tesla Takedown’ protesters planning ‘biggest day of action’ | Verge


    Tesla registrations — and public opinion — are in a free fall | Verge


    Multiple Teslas set on fire in Las Vegas and Kansas City | Verge


    Mark Rober’s Tesla video was more than a little weird | Verge


    Tesla sales fell year-over-year for the first time | Verge


    The cybertruck isn’t all it’s cracked up to be | Verge


    Tesla autopilot, FSD linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths | Verge


    Tesla crash victims’ families worried about Musk influence on investigations | Verge




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