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Today, Hunter spoke with Natasha Dartigue, the Chief Public Defender of the Maryland Office of Public Defense. This time, Natasha and Hunter spoke about the workload crisis facing the state and a slate of new criminal legal policies that are pushing Maryland in a better direction.
Guest:
Natasha Dartigue, Chief Public Defender, Maryland
Resources:
Maryland Public Defender
https://opd.state.md.us/
Immigration (both bills passed and went into effect 6/1/25):
Sensitive locations: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/sb0828 MD Values Act: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb1222National workloads:
Annual report: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/8cb54c_7eabe4b48b944b209533fe9f6332605b.pdfYouth Justice:
Last year's bill to limit the automatic charging of children as adults (did not pass): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/sb0422 Our one-pager on the issue: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/8cb54c_9460bce1042a4eecbcba1b7e17e6f715.pdfSecond Look Act (goes into effect 10/1/25):
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb0853Parental Defense:
Know Before They Knock bill (did not pass): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/hb0223 Preventing Harm of Separation one-pager: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/868471_3f9ec04e1aa449669a307ea0fbd471c6.pdf Know Before They Knock 1-pager: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/868471_840039a4932143ee927752745c619647.pdfSafer Traffic Stops:
SB292/HB635 (did not pass): https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Legislation/Details/sb0292 One-pager on SB292: https://opd.state.md.us/_files/ugd/8cb54c_880a090626d046f0a536bd4ea12ebcaa.pdfContact Hunter Parnell:
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Today, Hunter was joined by the Southern Center for Human Right’s Blake Feldman. Hunter and Blake walked through a handful of criminal legal policy changes that recently went into effect in Georgia. Unfortunately, the state continues it’s tough on crime approach that may ultimately lead to more kids in adult court, more adults serving mandatory minimums, and the state further trying to incarcerate it’s way out of societal issues.
Guest:
Blake Feldman, Senior Policy Counsel, Southern Center for Human Rights
Resources:
Southern Center for Human Rights
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https://www.facebook.com/southerncenterforhumanrights/
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Today, Hunter was joined by three guests from Hennepin County’s Adult Representation Services. As has been discussed multiple times on the show, many of the clients that walk into a public defender office have legal needs outside their criminal case. Whether it is in eviction court or family court, our clients often do not have access to counsel in these critical cases. ARS was created to fill the gaps in the access to counsel to ensure people have a fighting chance in their civil legal issues.
Guest:
Jeanette Boerner, Director of Adult Representation Services, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Jessica Ryan, Principal Attorney, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Terrance Hendricks, Principal Attorney, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Resources:
ARS Website
https://www.hennepin.us/en/adult-representation-services
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Today, Hunter was joined by Journalist Dan Hinkel to discuss his newest piece about the Conviction Integrity Unit in Cook County. While CIUs are an imperfect vessel to right the wrongs of a wrongful conviction, they still serve an essential function when they operate properly. The problem is since Eileen O’Neill Burketook over as the new State Attorney in Cook County the CIU hasn’t exonerated a single person. Dan joins the show to help us understand how that has happened.
Guest:
Dan Hinkel, Senior Reporter, Injustice Watch
Resources:
Find Dan’s Work Here
https://www.injusticewatch.org/author/danhinkel/
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Carlos Martinez, Chief Public Defender in Miami Dade County. This time, Carlos joined to explain the tech innovations he implemented to get workloads under control, how immigration enforcement is impacting their practice, and the danger of the state pursuing more capital cases.
Guest:
Carlos Martinez, Chief Public Defender, Miami-Dade County, Florida
Resources:
Contact OPD Here
https://www.pdmiami.com/public-defender/home.page
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Today, Hunter was joined by several amazing public defenders from the Montana Public Defender System. Each one of them joins the show to talk about the truly transformative effects that workload limits have had on the system, what they hope to see continue to improve in the system, and how the work is finally sustainable because they have enforced workload standards.
Guest:
Brett Schandelson, Chief Public Defender, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
David Carter, Managing Attorney, Polson, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
Natasha Fernando, Managing Attorney, Billings Conflict Division, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
Clair Lettow, Managing Attorney, Great Falls, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
Nick Aemisegger, Managing Attorney, Kalispell, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
Jeavon Lang, Managing Attorney, Appellate, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
Qasim Abdul Baki, Public Defender, Montana Office of the State Public Defender
Resources:
Contact OPD Here
https://publicdefender.mt.gov/
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Andre de Gruy, Mississippi’s State Public Defender. Andre joins the show this time to discuss a new pilot program that aims to provide rural communities full time public defenders. Andre hopes that this programs can be the start of Mississippi finally taking its obligations under Gideon seriously.
Guest:
Andre de Gruy, The State Public Defender, Mississippi
Resources:
Read More Here
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2025/06/12/mississippi-public-defender-pilot-program
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Today, Hunter was joined by Dean Jenny Roberts of Hofstra Law School. On today’s episode, Hunter and Dean Roberts discuss a law review article that Dean Roberts published last year about how public defenders can/should respond to the progressive prosecutors.
Guest:
Jenny Roberts, Dean, Hofstra Law
Resources:
Contact Dean Roberts Here
https://law.hofstra.edu/jenny-roberts/
Read the Article Here
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4574381
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Today, Hunter was joined by Professor Joshua Clark Daivs to discuss his new book, Police Against the Movement. In the book, Professor Davis tells the often forgotten story of how police departments surveilled, infiltrated, and sabotaged civil rights movements that challenged the power of police.
Guest:
Joshua Clark Davis, Professor of History, University of Baltimore
Resources:
Professor Davis’s Website
https://www.joshuaclarkdavis.com/
Get a Copy of The Book
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691238838/police-against-the-movement?srsltid=AfmBOorTFXbO1NSyZI4MTU28xSTq8YPHteKdKCkwWICdD6Gw1zTjdbvP
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Today, Hunter was joined by Professor Shira Diner to discuss the Bar Advocate work stoppage in the state of Massachusetts. Back in May, the Bar Advocates, the private defense lawyers who handle 80% of Massachusetts’s public defender workload, stopped taking new cases due to the incredibly low hourly rate they are paid. Since then, thousands of people have been left without representation as the courts have been unable to assign cases to attorneys. Now the question is, where does the state go from here?
Guest:
Shira Diner, Professor of Law, Boston University
Resources:
News on Bar Advocates Here
https://www.alaa.org/thealaaorganizer/massachusetts-defense-attorneys-enter-third-month-on-strike
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2025/0916/sixth-amendment-us-constitution-massachusetts-bar-strike
https://www.wbur.org/news/2025/06/27/court-massachusetts-defense-strike-bar
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/bar-advocates-attorney-work-stoppage-pay-raise/
https://www.massbar.org/publications/ejournal/ejournal-article/lawyers-journal-2004-november/keep-it-going-delegates-urge-continued-momentum-on-bar-advocate-pay-issue-
https://www.masslive.com/opinion/2025/07/bar-advocates-arent-striking-were-standing-for-justice-viewpoint.html
https://www.wcvb.com/article/bar-advocate-strike-massachusetts-healey/65491317
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https://www.bu.edu/law/profile/shira-m-diner/
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Today, Hunter was joined by Caneel Fraser and Tatyana Kaplan of California’s Office of the State Public Defender. The three sat down to discuss an OSPD report, Unequal Scales, to explore how and why Public Defender’s are so underfunded in comparison to prosecutors.
Guest:
Caneel Fraser, Executive Director, Indigent Defense Improvement Division, California Office of the State Public Defender
Tatyana Kaplan, Data Specialist, Indigent Defense Improvement Division, California Office of the State Public Defender
Resources:
OSPD Website
https://www.ospd.ca.gov/
Reports
https://www.ospd.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Unequal-Scales_Californias-Investment-Disparity-between-Prosecution-and-Public-Defense.pdf
https://www.ospd.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/2024-IDID-Annual-Report_Final_Accessible.pdf
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Alec Karatkatsanis. This time, Alec is here discussing Copaganda, cop fueled propaganda that shapes the way our society understands crime, the criminal legal system, and most importantly, convinces people that the only way to make our communities safer is by increasing our policing. In his new book, Copaganda, Alec explains how this propaganda is created, how it is laundered through ostensibly liberal media sources, and what we can do about it.
Guest:
Alec Karatkatsanis, Author and Executive Director, Civil Rights Corps
Resources:
Pick up a Copy of the Book
https://firestorm.coop/products/22254-copaganda.html
Check out Civil Rights Corps’s Work
https://civilrightscorps.org/
SF Standard Article
https://sfstandard.com/2025/09/08/sfpd-flock-alpr-ice-data-sharing/
Correction. When Hunter spoke about the article, he stated it was 2.1 million illegal searches. It was actually 1.6 million
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Today, Hunter was joined by John J. Lennon to discuss his new book, The Tragedy of True Crime: Four Guilty Men and the Stories that Define Us. John is a currently incarcerated journalist who presents the stories of four men, Michael Shane Hale, Robert Chambers, Milton Jones, and his own, in his book. Each of these men committed murder, but John sets out to tell a more complete picture to try and capture a more comprehensive picture of these men and the system that punishes them.
Guest:
John J. Lennon, Incarcerated Journalist and Author
Resources:
John’s Contacts
https://johnjlennon.net/
https://x.com/JohnJLennon1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Pick up a Copy of the Book Here
https://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-True-Crime-Guilty-Stories/dp/1250858240
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Today, Hunter was joined by Will Snowden of the Juror Project to discuss how they plan on revitalizing the jury around the country.
Guest:
Will Snowden, Director, The Juror Project
Resources:
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https://www.thejurorproject.org/contact
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Vichal Kumar of Partners for Justice. This time, Vichal joins the show to discuss a new toolkit that Partners for Justice has put together to give Public Defenders resources to up incorporate collaborative Public Defender practices.
Guest:
Vichal Kumar, Managing Director for Capacity Building, Partners for Justice
Resources:
Access the Toolkit Here
https://www.partnersforjustice.org/toolkit
Partners for Justice
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Today, Hunter was joined by Michael Rempel and Anna Stenkamp of the Data Collaborative for Justice. They discuss a recent report authored by DCJ about the impacts, or lack thereof, that came from the changes to New York’s discovery laws.
*** Correction to the show. The Data Collaborative caught an error in the underlying data related to case processing times in NYC. "Due to an error found in the underlying data, the report and analyses have been updated as of September 2025. There was one consequential change that showed case processing times in NYC for indicted felonies had increased from 2019 to 2024."****
Guest:
Michael Rempel, Director, Data Collaborative for Justice
Anna Stenkamp, Senior Research Associate, Data Collaborative for Justice
Resources:
Read the Report Here
https://datacollaborativeforjustice.org/work/case-processing/discovery-reform-in-new-york-what-can-the-data-tell-us/
Data Collaborative for Justice
https://x.com/dataforjustice
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Today, Hunter was joined by activist, prisoner journalist, and author of Ending Isolation, Christopher Blackwell. On this episode, Chris and Hunter discuss the book, the horrors of solitary confinement, and why the practice needs to end.
Guest:
Christopher Blackwell, activist, prisoner journalist, and author of Ending Isolation, and executive director of Look 2 Justice
Resources:
Christopher Blackwell’s website and Socials
https://www.christopher-blackwell.com/
https://x.com/chriswblackwell?lang=en
Look to Justice
https://www.look2justice.org/
https://www.instagram.com/look2justice/?hl=en
Broken is Beautiful Podcast
https://www.brokenisbeautifulpod.com/
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Today, Hunter was once again joined by Chesa Boudin and Eric Fish to discuss a law review article they recently published. This time, they are talking about Public Defenders and the Separation of Powers. While this seems like a law school paper for law school professors, the fundamental question posed by this episode is how Public Defenders can/should increase their political capacity to act as a check on the other branches of government.
Guest:
Chesa Boudin, Executive Director, Criminal Law and Justice Center, Berkley Law
Eric Fish, Professor of Law, UC Davis School of Law
Resources:
Read the Article Here:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5198358
San Benito County Report
https://www.ospd.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/2024-IDID-Annual-Report_Final_Accessible.pdf
California Report on Flat Fee contracts
https://www.aclunc.org/sites/default/files/Contracted%20to%20Fail%20report_March%202025.pdf
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Today, Hunter hosted a debate between Professor John Gross and Professor Bob Boruchowitz about the Public Defender National Workload Standards. Back in the spring of this year, John penned an article about some of the methodological and pragmatic issues with the National Workload study. Meanwhile, Bob has been working in Washington for decades to bring meaningful, enforceable workload standards across the state. Today, Hunter spoke with both of them to hear each side of this debate and to try and figure out the best way to use the national workload standards.
Guest:
John Gross, Professor of Law, University of Wisconsin School of Law
Bob Boruchowitz, Professor of Law, Seattle University School of Law
Resources:
John’s Article
https://publicdefenders.us/blogs/the-problems-with-the-national-public-defense-workload-study/
John’s Faculty Page
https://law.wisc.edu/profiles/john.gross
Bob’s Writings
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/wa-works-toward-easing-public-defender-shortage-but-more-must-be-done/
https://law.seattleu.edu/media/school-of-law/documents/faculty/publications/boruchowitz/2025_01_RevisedStandards.pdf
Other Responses to John’s Article
https://publicdefenders.us/blogs/the-problem-with-ignoringthe-national-public-defenseworkload-study/
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Today, Hunter hosted a debate between Professor John Gross and Professor Bob Boruchowitz about the Public Defender National Workload Standards. Back in the spring of this year, John penned an article about some of the methodological and pragmatic issues with the National Workload study. Meanwhile, Bob has been working in Washington for decades to bring meaningful, enforceable workload standards across the state. Today, Hunter spoke with both of them to hear each side of this debate and to try and figure out the best way to use the national workload standards.
Guest:
John Gross, Professor of Law, University of Wisconsin School of Law
Bob Boruchowitz, Professor of Law, Seattle University School of Law
Resources:
John’s Article
https://publicdefenders.us/blogs/the-problems-with-the-national-public-defense-workload-study/
John’s Faculty Page
https://law.wisc.edu/profiles/john.gross
Bob’s Writings
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/wa-works-toward-easing-public-defender-shortage-but-more-must-be-done/
https://law.seattleu.edu/media/school-of-law/documents/faculty/publications/boruchowitz/2025_01_RevisedStandards.pdf
Other Responses to John’s Article
https://publicdefenders.us/blogs/the-problem-with-ignoringthe-national-public-defenseworkload-study/
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