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Filmmaker Darcy Weir joins Martin Willis and UFO Jack for a candid conversation about psychic phenomena, remote viewing, UFO experiencers, whistleblowers, and separating credible evidence from compelling fiction. They explore Project Stargate, Phil Schneider, Travis Walton, Bob Lazar, government disinformation, secret technology, CE5, Jake Barber, and strange entities reported in cases such as Voronezh and Pascagoula. Visit PodcastUFO.com to explore hundreds of historical UFO articles by Charles Lear and support the show for an ad-free experience.SHOW NOTES
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Astronomer and veteran photo/video analyst Marc D’Antonio joins Martin Willis to examine highlights from the 40 UAP files released by the government on July 10. Marc analyzes several intriguing images and videos, including possible aerostats, balloon clusters, fast-moving objects, and the widely discussed “star-shaped UFO.” He explains how infrared sensors, diffraction, parallax, camera movement, and missing metadata can make ordinary objects appear extraordinary—and identifies one case that remains a genuine puzzle. Marc also shares his own unexplained observation of two satellite-like lights making a dramatic 40-degree turn.
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Historian Samantha Graves briefly shares a new research questionnaire collecting close-encounter reports from Western Massachusetts and the Berkshires. Then filmmaker Dean Alioto joins Martin Willis to discuss The Experiencers: Full Disclosure, an eight-year documentary project exploring classic abduction cases, contemporary experiencers, shared encounters, regression research, PTSD, and the challenge of presenting extraordinary testimony with credibility and empathy. They also examine why experiencers remain largely absent from congressional UAP hearings and why their stories may be essential to any meaningful discussion of full disclosure. The film is available on Amazon Prime Video and Apple TV+.
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Former Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet joins Martin Willis to discuss UAP research, undersea anomalies, and reports from submarine personnel of fast-moving unidentified objects detected beneath the ocean. Gallaudet explains his role on the UAP Science Advisory Council reporting to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the challenge of gaining access to relevant data, and why serious scientific investigation is essential. He also shares a brief look at his new leadership memoir, Holding Fast in Heavy Seas, reflecting on his Navy and NOAA career.
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Rony Vernet returns to Podcast UFO to discuss his field investigations into unusual phenomena reported in the Amazon rainforest and other remote regions of Brazil. An electrical engineer and researcher, Vernet shares accounts from indigenous communities involving luminous orbs, humanoid figures, strange lights, apparent equipment interference, and encounters that local residents believe originate from the forest itself. Martin and Rony also discuss the Peru flying humanoid reports, the Varginha case, alleged Brazilian military and police encounters with UAPs and beings, and the difficulty of collecting repeatable scientific data in unpredictable field conditions. Vernet explains his use of cameras, drones, infrared equipment, sensors, and other tools, along with why some of the most striking incidents reportedly involved lost or corrupted recordings. The conversation explores possible physical, spiritual, psychological, and interdimensional interpretations of the phenomenon, as well as Rony’s upcoming work and documentaries.
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Martin Willis is joined by Donna Killeen, UFO Jack, Kelly Hughes, and Sam Milodragovich for UFO Headlines, discussing the latest developments in the UAP and UFO world. Martin and Donna share highlights from the recent Disclosure Forum in Washington, DC, including Martin’s question to Representative Eric Burlison about government file releases, private-sector crash-retrieval claims, and the search for more meaningful transparency. The panel also discusses the latest UAP records release, unusual orb reports, the role of skeptics, government disclosure efforts, archival research, and major historic cases including Roswell, Ariel School, Phoenix Lights, and Rendlesham Forest. They also explore the larger questions: Could there be multiple intelligences behind the phenomenon, and what evidence would it take for the public to truly accept the reality of UAPs?
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Guest Joe Biscotto, founder of the rapidly growing UAP Reporting Center and host of Beyond Top Secret. Joe discusses his background in law enforcement, his lifelong fascination with UFOs and the unexplained, and how he built one of the fastest-growing UAP news platforms online. We also talk about UFO disclosure, investigating sightings, social media’s impact on the subject, and his work with The Contact Report.
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Rhys Dalton-Morgan joins me from Contact in the Desert for a fascinating conversation about a remarkable family connection to one of Australia’s most intriguing UFO cases. Rhys’s grandfather, a decorated RAF fighter pilot and later operations head of the vast Woomera Test Range in South Australia, reportedly witnessed a bright disc-shaped object during the era of Black Knight rocket testing. According to Rhys’s research, the object was seen over the range by multiple personnel, appeared to circle a missile site, and then accelerated away at extraordinary speed. The case has since led Rhys into a deeper investigation of his grandfather’s military background, including a reported early involvement with a secret U.S.-U.K. UFO inquiry. We also discuss Rhys’s mother’s personal experiences, the role of respected Australian researcher Bill Chalker, the strange history surrounding Woomera, and some of Australia’s most compelling cases. Later, Rhys gives an excellent overview of the 1966 Westall school UFO incident, including the witnesses, reported landings, unusual aircraft, alleged military response, and some lesser-known details surrounding the event. We also touch on Australian high strangeness, alleged abduction cases, cryptid reports including the Yowie, and why the UFO phenomenon may be far more complex than simply unexplained technology.
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Actor, writer, and technology innovator Sal Amato joins Martin Willis for a fascinating discussion on UFOs, disclosure, media influence, and the inspiration behind his upcoming novel, Hidden Powers: Disclosure From Within. Drawing from decades of interest in unexplained phenomena, technology, and human behavior, Sal shares his thoughts on historical UFO cases, the 1952 Washington, D.C. sightings, information control, and why curiosity is essential when exploring extraordinary claims. The conversation also explores how technology shapes public perception, the challenges of separating fact from fiction, and the themes of disclosure, power, and truth woven throughout his new book. An engaging discussion for anyone interested in UFOs, mysteries, and the bigger questions surrounding what we know—and what we may not know.
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Martin Willis is joined by Podcast UFO producer Donna Killeen, UFO Jack, Kelly Hughes, and Sam Milodragovich for a lively, spoiler-filled roundtable discussion of one of the most anticipated UFO films in recent memory. The panel shares their honest reactions to the movie, explores its many references to UFO history and lore, and debates whether Spielberg successfully captured the mystery, wonder, and complexity of the UFO phenomenon. Topics include experiencers, screen memories, government secrecy, whistleblowers, historical UFO cases, disclosure, and the film’s surprising ending. Was Disclosure Day a groundbreaking UFO movie, a fun science-fiction adventure, or a missed opportunity? Tune in to hear a range of perspectives from voices deeply involved in the UFO community. Plus, the panel discusses some of the real-world UFO developments making headlines and what the movie may mean for public interest in the UFO topic going forward.
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Martin Willis welcomes Simon Bown, author of Aspects of Alien Abduction: Shocking UFO Encounters, Vol. 1. Simon discusses his own UFO sightings, a possible abduction memory recovered through hypnosis, and the recurring patterns he has found after interviewing hundreds of experiencers. Topics include consciousness, missing time, healing cases, family connections, and the mystery behind alien abduction reports.
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Recorded at Contact in the Desert, Martin Willis sits down with explorer Dennis Åsberg, discoverer of the Baltic Sea Anomaly, and astronomer Dr. Beatriz Villarroel of the VASCO Project. Dennis discusses new developments surrounding the anomaly, repeated equipment failures during expeditions, and the discovery of the lost Russian submarine Som, while Dr. Villarroel shares her groundbreaking research into unexplained transient objects, vanishing stars, and evidence suggesting highly reflective objects in Earth orbit. Together they explore the intersection of ocean exploration, astronomy, UFOs, scientific inquiry, and some of the most intriguing mysteries of our time.
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Preston Dennett returns to Podcast UFO to discuss his latest book, Humanoids & High Strangeness: 20 True UFO Encounters. In this fascinating conversation, Preston shares remarkable cases involving face-to-face encounters with mysterious beings, missing time, telepathic communication, giant owls, elf-like entities, and other bizarre experiences that challenge our understanding of the UFO phenomenon. Martin and Preston also explore schoolyard UFO encounters, witness credibility, differing memories among eyewitnesses, the famous Ariel School case, and the possible connection between UFO contact and consciousness. A thought-provoking discussion with one of ufology’s most prolific researchers that ventures far beyond lights in the sky.
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In this special live episode, Martin Willis reviews the June 9 Capitol Hill UAP Disclosure Press Conference featuring David Grusch, James Fox, Leslie Kean, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Rep. Tim Burchett, Rep. Eric Burlison, Rep. Jared Moskowitz, and others. The speakers called for increased transparency, declassification of government records, stronger whistleblower protections, and further investigation into claims involving recovered craft and non-human biologics. Grusch discussed ongoing oversight concerns, alleged obstruction of congressional inquiries, and the need for greater accountability. After the event, Martin was joined by Matt Ford of The Good Trouble Show, along with Krys Devine and Kelly Hughes, for an in-depth discussion of the key statements, potential implications, and what may come next in the ongoing disclosure effort.
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by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear
Recently, there have been reports throughout the media that FBI files concerning a UFO sighting reported by three Anoka, Minnesota, police officers have been declassified and are available at the National Archives. Remarkably, almost none of the media outlets covering the story provide a link to the actual document with the exception one news outlet, KARE 11, which was kind enough to provide a pdf with one of the FBI documents and related material from Americans for Safe Aerospace and the National UFO Reporting Center.
There is an article by Conor Wight on the CBS News site (updated May 28, 2026) headlined “Newly declassified FBI documents detail UFO sighting by Anoka officers — and one of them filmed it.” Wight is with CBS Minnesota and starts his story with this: “Buried within the National Archives is an unexplained sighting from right here in Minnesota.”
Buried is an apt description, as the documents were quite hard to find in the National Archives Catalogue, but a search within “Group 16: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Records Collection,” brought us to records from the FBI, which led us to the files related to the Anoka case, which are the top three in a series of six results.
The top file from FBI Cincinnati is dated March 10, 2025, and is identified after the redacted Case ID # as “Observation of UAP by Anoka Police Department personnel.” According to the section headed “Details,” on February 19, 2025, at 1:15 a.m., three officers observed a “UAP” for 90 minutes. It seemed to be at an altitude of 10,ooo-30,000 feet and at one point, possibly 50 miles away.
It exhibited a light display described as “rapidly changing ‘tie-dye’ multi-color lighting which was inconsistent with known aircraft lights.” It was additionally described as having had the appearance of an illustration of an atom with six “hula-hoops with lights around each loop.” It was said to have been able to move extremely fast seeming to travel 30-40 miles in seconds “with a movement that ‘skipped across the sky like a stone”’ and to have possibly have flown close to the Monticello Nuclear Power Plant.
One of the officers put his phone up to the binoculars he was using to observe the object and captured some video footage of it. This resulted in the video being blurred.
After the details, it is explained that FBI Cincinnati got the report “from a liaison partner organization, Americans for Safe Aerospace.” The ASA report with the initial interview with “the witness” is said to be attached. The ASA report is also said to contain a description of another sighting by the witness on February 17, 2025.
The second document down is from FBI Minnesota dated May, 9, 2025. It contains the details of an interview of whom we’ll call “the witness,” in his office at the Anoka Police Department by an FBI agent.
According to the document, the witness said that he and the other officers were in the local Domino’s Pizza parking lot for “an after-action briefing” after training. He described the object as a multi-colored gyroscope that was about the size of an SUV or a school bus. He said it was southwest of his position towards Minnetonka, Minnesota, and that when a private airplane flying from the southeast got close to the object, the object descended, moved around the path of the airplane, ascended, and hovered. He said it then moved in three separate bursts, hovered west of him towards Monticello, and then descended, in the words of the reporting agent, “like a leaf floating on a breeze.”
The witness said that when he was leaving the parking lot to meet someone (redacted) at the local Kwik Trip he saw, in the agent’s words, “a second object, similar to the first,” followed it for 12 miles down Highway 10, watched it as it hovered over Monticello, and then continued to the Kwik Trip.
The witness also provided information on two other sightings he’d had, one (recorded on his phone) on September 11, 2022, of a hovering object near the Anoka Ice Arena that then rapidly ascended, and another when he was younger (age redacted) of, in the agent’s words, “a large yellow and orange orb hovering over the lake at his parents’ cabin.” In addition to his own sightings, the witness said that a friend had seen three flashes of light while driving, recorded the third flash, and gave him the video.
The document concludes stating that the case is closed unless additional information is received that might give reason for the case to be reopened
The third file down is the last one pertaining to the case and is the same as what was linked to by KARE 11 except that there is a copy of the video taken by the witness. The FBI document, identified as “F–71A – Guardian Complaint Form,” is dated May 15, 2025. The first page is a duplicate of the March 10th form, while the second lists the attachments from NUFORC, ASA, and the video.
The first NUFORC attachment is a report dated January 16, 2025, of a white light seen that same day by three witnesses driving down Highway 10, and the second is dated February 20, 2025, and has details of a January 17, 2025, sighting from a deck in Saint Paul, Minnesota, of a diamond-shaped, muti-colored object that traveled at an “unexplainable speed and direction then disappeared” and caused animals to react.
The ASA report begins with a statement that might explain the involvement of the FBI: “Below is a report which might involve nuclear energy infrastructure.” The report has details that are missing in the FBI documents, not least of which is that it states there were a total of four witnesses including the reporting witness.
According to the Witness Statement, after the initial sighting with two co-workers, the witness went to his office to get a pair of Bushnell binoculars and took up a new position on a parking ramp and continued observing the object with three co-workers. The witness says a helicopter flew between them and the object and that this seemed to prompt the object to move off rapidly to the north and gain altitude. The witness also says that a co-worker drove 10 miles down highway 10 and reported that the object was still far off to the west of him. The airplane and the object’s apparent reaction to it are described as in the other reports.
The witness describes seeing the second object, says it was similar to and much closer than the first object, and that he wasn’t able to stay and “monitor it.” There is no mention of him following it down highway 10. Finally, he says he saw a similar object on February 17, 2025, and that he did not discuss it with anyone until seeing the object with his co-workers on February 19th.
For insight into the background of the relationship between ASA and the FBI, there is the article by Daniel Lippman headlined, “FBI agents who investigate UFOs worried they could be pushed out in possible purge,” posted February 3, 2025, on Politico. The subhead reads: “The existence of the FBI’s informal working group on the issue has not been disclosed publicly before.”
Founder and ASA Executive Director Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot, is quoted expressing concern that “the FBI’s UAP Working Group could be affected by transition changes.” Lippman describes the group as “informal,” and says that Graves and three others were familiar with it and that they described it this way: “It consists of a national program manager and more than a dozen employees across the country who spend much of their time tracking down UAPs.” According to Lippman, Graves said that ASA had been working with the group for over a year.
Lippman includes a statement from the FBI to the effect that it “investigates Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena when there is potential for a violation of federal law.”
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At Contact in the Desert, Martin Willis sits down with entrepreneur, AI researcher, and quantum computing expert Deep Prasad for a wide-ranging discussion that explores the intersection of artificial intelligence, consciousness, advanced physics, and the UFO phenomenon. Deep shares details of an extraordinary experience he had in 2019 that profoundly changed his understanding of reality and led him to explore questions surrounding non-human intelligence and consciousness. He also discusses the rapid advancement of AI, the promise and challenges of quantum computing, and how future technologies may help unlock some of the deepest mysteries surrounding UAP.
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Tonight on UFO Headlines, we’re joined by UFO Jack, Kelly Hughes, and Sam Milodragovich to discuss the latest developments in the UAP world. We’ll cover the recent release of more than 160 government UAP files, the upcoming June 9 Capitol Hill press conference involving David Grusch and congressional transparency advocates, the controversy surrounding Aliens.gov, and some of the most talked-about cases emerging from the newly released documents. We’ll also share our experiences from Contact in the Desert 2026, including standout presentations, behind-the-scenes conversations, and the overall mood of the UFO community regarding disclosure and the future of UAP investigations. Join us live and bring your questions and comments as we discuss the latest UFO headlines and what may be coming next.
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Whitley Strieber returns to Podcast UFO for a thought-provoking discussion on UFOs, non-human intelligence, Roswell, consciousness, AI, and the enduring mystery of contact. Best known for his groundbreaking book Communion, Strieber shares personal experiences, reflects on the impact of disclosure, discusses the possibility that UFO intelligences originate from another reality, and explains why he believes humanity may have lost abilities once possessed long ago. From the Allagash Abduction case and Roswell to artificial intelligence and the future of human consciousness, this conversation explores some of the deepest questions surrounding the UFO phenomenon and our place in the universe. Whether you’re a longtime follower of Strieber’s work or new to these topics, this is an engaging and wide-ranging interview you won’t want to miss.
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by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear
By the time Project Blue Book was terminated, most UFO researchers, especially in the United States, were of the opinion that UFOs were nuts and bolts craft piloted by flesh and blood creatures from other planets. This is what has become known as the extraterrestrial hypothesis or ETH. At around the same time, as the 1960s gave way to the 1970s, Jacques Vallée had one book published and John Keel had two published, that challenged the ETH, and caused many in the UFO community to consider other options.
Vallée had his first UFO book, Anatomy of a Phenomenon, published in 1965 and his second, Challenge to Science, co-written with his wife, Janine, published in 1966. Both books make the argument that the UFO mystery is worthy of scientific study and present the elements of the problem in an organized manner in an effort to facilitate such study. In what would become characteristic in Vallée’s books, he presents accounts going back to antiquity, and he presents a lot of them. The books are lengthy and dry and hold little appeal for the average UFO enthusiast looking for sensational accounts of sightings and encounters.
Jacques Valee at CITDOn October 1, 1969 (according to the Kirkus review), Vallée had his book Passport to Magonia published, and it was quite a departure from the first two books. His central thesis in the book is that there is a link between UFOs and tales told in religious texts, legends of old, fairy lore, and folk lore. The full title of the first edition is Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers.
Vallée doesn’t dismiss the UFO mystery as a modern myth, but rather, suggests that it might stem from somethings or someones interacting with humanity that have been doing so since antiquity. He also suggests there might be a trickster element involved, saying in the section at the end of the main body of the book titled “Conjectures” (Fact 4), “The behavior of the entities is consistently absurd…” and “their assertions have been systematically misleading.”
After the main body, in the appendix, Vallée presents “A Century of UFO Landings (1868-1968.) In his introduction he says “The study of UFOs is more than a descriptive analysis of folklore, but it has not developed into a scientific field.” He argues that what is lacking is “a proper definition of the phenomenon to be studied.”
As for the book’s reception, Vallée wrote in the foreword to the 2014 edition that the hardcover edition only sold 5000 copies. However, he explains that while it “was ignored or rejected in the U.S., it was well received in Europe, where audiences have a greater appreciation of history and the importance of folklore in defining a culture.”
Just after Passport was published, Keel’s book, Strange Creatures From Time and Space, came out on January 1, 1970, and it is definitely the sort of book that would appeal to the average UFO enthusiast as well as lovers of what we now call cryptids. It has a fantastic cover by Frank Frazetta and is chock full cases involving what the title promises. However, what sets it apart from the usual UFO books of that era is Keel’s commentary. It was here that Keel introduced his idea that there were “widow” areas where UFOs and strange creatures appeared in the midst of other oddities repeatedly throughout history.
Like Vallée, Keel was considering alternatives to the ETH, but his thinking was much more evolved, most likely due to his field investigation work that began 1966. It was mostly centered around the events in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, involving UFO encounters and the cryptid known as the Mothman.
Keel had another book, Operation Trojan Horse, in which he took a more scholarly approach to presenting his ideas, published on the same date. An ad for both books in the Vol. 16, No. 3, May/June 1970 Flying Saucer Review explains that Keel’s original manuscript covering his UFO study was so big that it was “divided into two 90,000-word books.”
John KeelStrange Creatures is described as “a casebook recounting hundreds of bizarre incidents involving unknown animals and humanoids, demonstrating the surprising correlations hidden in the testimonial evidence.” As for Keel’s commentary, “The seeming hostility of the central phenomenon is defined and graphically explained.”
Operation Trojan Horse is described as “a hardcover containing hundreds of carefully documented cases, and revealing for the first time the author’s personal contact experiences in 1967 which turned him from a ‘believer’ into a sceptic.” As for its impact on the UFO community, “Advance reviewers have declared: ‘It is certain to become the greatest classic on the subject… It will undoubtedly alter the course of all future UFO research.’”
Keel’s UFO study actually started off as an assignment. In his 2002 interview with Art Bell, Keel says he was on assignment for Playboy magazine to “get to the bottom of the UFO mystery.” According to Doug Skinner in his February 11, 2015, post on johnkeel.com, Keel’s article was to be called Operation Trojan Horse, but it was rejected. He explains: “John decided to write the definitive article, and it grew longer and longer, as the correspondence grew more acrimonious. Eventually, the piece was rejected.” Playboy, instead, went with Dr. J. Allen Hynek who wrote an article headlined, “The UFO Gap,” that was published in the December 1967 issue.
While Passport to Magonia and Operation Trojan Horse have become classics, are still in print, and continue to influence paranormal enthusiasts to this day, the struggle for serious scientific study of the UFO mystery wasn’t going to be helped along at that point by the ideas in those books. As can be seen in their publications, groups such as APRO in the U.S., and the British UFO Research Association in Europe, stuck to the ETH.
However, FSR was open to the ideas of Vallée and Keel, as the publishers had formed very similar ideas themselves. Started in 1954, FSR was published in England, and both Vallée and Keel were frequent contributors. They maintained an audience and a presence and the idea that UFOs and their associated occupants might be from a realm other that outer space continues to be entertained by researcher/investigators to this day.
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In this episode of Podcast UFO, Martin Willis and UFO Jack welcome Jordan Flowers of the Disclosure Foundation for a discussion on UFO disclosure, government transparency, classified file releases, and the growing momentum surrounding the UAP topic in Washington, D.C. Jordan discusses the impact of the 2017 The New York Times UFO article by Leslie Kean, the Disclosure Foundation’s work with FOIA requests and congressional briefings, recent NSA and military UAP releases, and the upcoming Disclosure Forum taking place June 25th in the historic Kennedy Caucus Room inside the U.S. Senate. Topics include national security, declassified documents, whistleblowers, public stigma, media coverage, and the future of UFO transparency and disclosure.SHOW NOTES
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