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Coming up in this episode* Does it do Passkeys tho?* So What Happened to Xz anyway?* How do we fix the internet?The Video Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJY)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJYTimestamps0:00 Cold Open1:36 Amazingly Self-Hosted34:13 The History of Xz and the Hack*!49:58 How to Fix Open Source1:15:56 Next Time1:20:42 Stinger💻Self Hosting and Passkeys🔑Audiobookshelf (https://www.audiobookshelf.org/)Immich (https://immich.app/)Tailscale (https://tailscale.com/)What are Passkeys - Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/what-are-passkeys)Passkeys - FIDO Alliance (https://fidoalliance.org/passkeys/)📣Announcements📣This program was made possible by:* 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace)* 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace)* And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍📖The History of XZ🦜LZMA (https://web.archive.org/web/20121109182343/http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/forums/forum/45797/topic/1025556)Andrey Markov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain)LZ77 and LZ78 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ77_and_LZ78)7zip history (https://7-zip.org/history.txt)Slackels (https://web.archive.org/web/20060202151612/https://tukaani.org/)LZMA in the form of the GCC compiled LZMA SDK (https://web.archive.org/web/20060213143853/http://tukaani.org/lzma/history)Tukanni Linux Project was officially gone (https://web.archive.org/web/20071011030325/http://tukaani.org/)LZMA Utils was left behind (https://web.archive.org/web/20090830051503/http://tukaani.org:80/xz) in favor of the similarly LZMA-backed Xz Utils.version 5.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20101201065849/http://tukaani.org/xz/) is the transition from LZMA to XZ.Some distributions would eventually migrate to using Z Standard compression, including Arch (https://archlinux.org/news/now-using-zstandard-instead-of-xz-for-package-compression/) in 2019 and Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Switch_RPMs_to_zstd_compression) and Ubuntu would make the switch in 2020.A new face, Jigar Kumar, shows up (https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00565.html).January 7th, 2023, Jia Tan was finally able to merge their own commits (https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/pull/7) to Xz on Github.Jia tries to convince (https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/10667) the OSS-Fuzz team to accept a patch that disabled Indrect Function.Adding the test files (https://git.tukaani.org/?p=xz.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf44e4b7f5dfdbf8c78aef377c10f71e274f63c0) which weren't test files at all.Andres Freund's Mastodon post (https://mastodon.social/@AndresFreundTec/112180083704606941)On April 2nd, 2024, Collin adds a page to his tukaani.org (https://tukaani.org/xz-backdoor/) domain.📣More Announcements📣Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum)🧹Housekeeping🧹Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.* 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show)* 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit)* ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord)* 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram)* ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix)* 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch)* 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon)* 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter)* 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids)⚒️How To Fix Open Source🛠️Heartbleed (https://heartbleed.com/)I'm not a supplier (https://www.softwaremaxims.com/blog/not-a-supplier)XKCD 2347 (https://xkcd.com/2347/)🔭Next Time🔭We plan to explore your feedback and some other topics. Our final history episode of the season will be Gentoo (https://www.gentoo.org/).Come back in two weeks for more Linux User SpaceStay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!ProducerBrunoDaveJohnJohnnyVisaggio & CoCo-Producer--verboseTimGrouchyMSuper UserA.J.AdvaitCubicleNateEduardo S.HauskenJeff3ixJeffersonJill and SteveLarryLiNuXsys666LivetMusical CoderNicholasNickpjolsleepyeyesvinceThe SaigoneerTobias
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Coming up in this episode
* We put a hat on AI
* The SecureBlue/ublue thing
* The UNIX Wars part deux
0:00 Cold Open
1:49 Artificial Fedora
28:35 The ImmutaBlues
54:01 Feedback
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix
59:28 Ian on Unix
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update
1:14:41 Next Time
1:18:03 Stinger
The Video Version! (https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU)
https://youtu.be/JdfWd_-BhgU
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AI dons a hat 🤖🎩
Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora (https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/)
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Course correction on Secureblue
We messed up but RoyalOughtness (https://github.com/qoijjj), the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.
Atomic Fedora is the start of the pipeline: (https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/how-to-rebase-to-universal-blues-base-images/868)
xkbcat (https://github.com/anko/xkbcat)
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Reverb Focus
Tane via Email
Tane uses Nextcloud Notes (https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes)
Also Iotas (https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/iotas)
Unix Wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars)
The terms of the Open Group (Open Group https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html)
Current Open Group members (https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/)
Ian via email
BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days. They started out as licensed UNIX Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&T and passed whatever requirements AT&T had at the time.
Chris via email
Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/) is not FOSS.
Logseq (https://logseq.com/) is overwhelming at first but good now.
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🔭Next Time🔭
We plan to explore and provide the history of XZ Utils (https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz).
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Saknas det avsnitt?
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Coming up in this episode
* Themes Are More Global Than You Think
* Kdenlive Does Some Layering
* The History of LXDE
* To Qt, or not to Qt?
* Then, we call an audible
0:00 Cold Open
2:17 Theme of the Crop
16:22 The Lost Edit
28:11 The History of LXDE
55:51 How'd LXQt and LXDE Go?
1:24:28 Next Time
1:31:13 Stinger
The Video Version
https://youtu.be/Y8_rMTmnIXc
🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop
KDE's Attack Surface?
Hackaday coverage (https://hackaday.com/2024/03/25/user-beware-the-fine-line-between-content-and-code/)
The Reddit Post (https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1bixmbx/do_not_install_global_themes_some_wipe_out_all/)
Kdenlive gave Leo a hard time
24.02.0 (https://kdenlive.org/en/2024/03/kdenlive-24-02-0-released/) was hot off the press and Leo couldn't resist.
Thankfully 24.02.1 (https://kdenlive.org/en/2024/03/kdenlive-24-02-1-released/) followed to hopefully resolve the issues.
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The History of LXDE (and some LXQt)
The LXDE mailing list goes back to 2008 (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/lxde-list/)
Ubuntu Lite (https://web.archive.org/web/20071213180659/http://ubuntulite.https://web.archive.org/web/20090126190042/http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5187661383.htmltuxfamily.org/?q=node/5)
later known as U-lite commited (https://web.archive.org/web/20071213180659/http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/5) to using LXDE.
DesktopLinux.com coverage (https://web.archive.org/web/20090207075132/http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7428727466.html)
Elemental Linux, MoonOS and WattOS followed with a commitment (https://web.archive.org/web/20120427050611/http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu)
A PCManFM review from 2008 (https://web.archive.org/web/20220119114409/https://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/07/pcman-file-manager-045-review.html)
The blog appears (https://blog.lxde.org/page/27/)
December 2008 status update (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/12/10/recent-status-of-lxde/)
Sidux adds an unofficial LXDE flavor (https://web.archive.org/web/20080929014208/http://cap.gediam.de/index-en.htm)
Mandriva adds LXDE (https://web.archive.org/web/20081005023344/http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Tour#LXDE)
Fedora too (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/11/13/fedora-10-with-lxde/)
LXDE Translation project (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/12/14/lxde-translation-project/)
PCMan asks the community for feedback (https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=456)
FOSDEM 2009 (https://www.slideshare.net/mariobehling/lxde-presentation-at-fosdem-2009?type=presentation)
Lubuntu enters the chat (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/02/05/lubuntu-lxde-meet-up-with-mark-shuttleworth-in-berlin)
LXDE on android phones (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/02/23/lxde-running-on-android-phones/)
LXDE on Solaris (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/03/21/lxde-on-opensolaris/)
LXDE in Centos (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/05/04/lxde-in-centos/)
PCLXDE (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/08/06/pclxde/)
First Lubuntu test ISO (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/08/31/first-lubuntu-test-iso-available/)
Fedora success (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/12/15/huge-success-of-the-fedora-12-lxde-spin/)
OpenSUSE status update (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/03/01/opensuse-lxde-development-status/)
Refactor time (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/02/21/pcmanfm-0-9-alpha-is-released/)
Rewrite, and make it faster (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/03/19/the-first-beta-release-of-new-pcmanfmlibfm/)
Movable desktop icons (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/10/05/desktop-icons-of-pcmanfm-becomes-movable/)
LXDE becomes an available Debian desktop (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopInLenny)
A Qt port begins (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/02/19/pcmanfm-file-manager-is-ported-to-qt/)
Diverse paths (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/03/26/pcmanfm-qt-0-1-0-released/)
PCMan develops a "Guide for Migrating from Gtk+ to Qt" (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/04/25/a-guide-for-porting-gtk-applications-to-qt/)
LXDE-QT preview (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/07/03/lxde-qt-preview/)
Razor-Qt (https://www.pcworld.com/article/461673/five-reasons-to-try-the-new-razor-qt-linux-desktop.html)
PCMan had this to say about Razor-Qt (https://groups.google.com/g/razor-qt/c/aRfqM_W_ODQ)
A merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt (https://blog.lxde.org/?p=1046)
LXDE-Qt is not bloated (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/07/05/no-lxde-qt-is-not-bloated/)
PCManFM-Qt was in a usable state (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/03/23/pcmanfm-qt-reaches-a-quite-usable-state/)
LXQt alpha is announced (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/04/27/the-first-alpha-release-of-lxde-qt-or-lxqt-is-in-preparation/)
shortly after it was announced (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/32310545/).
Initial FreeBSD support (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/05/09/lxqt-got-initial-freebsd-support/) for LXQt
Comparing Numbers (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/05/09/some-numbers-about-lxqt-for-those-who-are-curious/)
LXQt got “full” Qt5 support (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/06/29/lxqt-now-has-full-qt5-support/)
LXQt 0.8 released (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/32927295/)
LXDE is still going (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/11/18/status-update-for-lxde/)
We say goodbye (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/11/21/in-memory-of-razor-qt/) to Razor-qt
The 0.9 release was caught on snags (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/33285634/) but eventually released (https://web.archive.org/web/20160113173328/http://lxqt.org/release/2015/02/08/release-0-9-0/)
LXQt 0.10 followed (https://web.archive.org/web/20160112231402/https://lxqt.org/release/2015/11/02/release-0-10-0/)
LXQt 0.11 released (https://web.archive.org/web/20161121064047/http://lxqt.org/release/2016/09/24/lxqt-011-et-al/)
More stats (https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/)
LXQt 0.12.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20171030182926/http://lxqt.org/release/2017/10/21/lxqt-0120/)
LXQt 0.13.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190522094012/https://lxqt.org/release/2018/05/21/lxqt-0130/)
The end for GTK 2 (https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/)
Debian, at the time, set the death date (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/11/msg00570.html)
GTK 3 would end up being the target for LXDE (https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/lxde-gtk3/)
LXQt 0.17 (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/0.17.0)
LXQt 1.0.0 was released! (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/1.0.0)
LXDE diehards are still keeping things alive for LXDE (https://github.com/lxde)
LXQt 2.0 is planned to release in the usual April slot (https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2024/02/15/qt-6-and-wayland/)
Speaking of Wayland (https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2024/04/09/wayland_faq/)
Quick LXQt History (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/History)
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Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is Xz (https://tukaani.org/xz/).
Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.
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Coming up in this episode
* Telemetry helps us all
* Immutability blues
* A correction or two
* And more feedback
📽️The video version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y04YTkEC5Y
0:00 Cold Open
1:34 The GOOD Telemetry
23:33 Gnome Classic & Friends
31:16 The Incredible Immutables
44:00 A Slight Correction
50:25 A Little Backstory
59:24 mintCast, CKP, FCWN & DHD
1:02:31 So Lightweight!
1:10:23 Another Dive into Notes
1:21:48 Fix GRUB, Add Color
1:29:49 Next Time
1:31:58 Stinger
🔥Warm up🔥
Dan Johansen in Matrix
pkgstats (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pkgstats)
Fun Stats (https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun)
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Fragmentation? Not on My Watch!
Muesli from Matrix
* Gnome Classic (https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/gnome-classic.html.en)
* Is it healthy co-opetition or fragmentation? Let us know.
* Secureblue (https://github.com/secureblue/secureblue)
* beginning of the year (https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/secureblue-immutable-fedora-hardening/16086)
* BlueBuild (https://blue-build.org/)
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A quick correction
jensmander1223 on Youtube
OpenIndiana is Unix-Like but it's own thing (https://docs.openindiana.org/misc/openindiana/)
The history of Dan and Leo
visamp from Matrix
Leo and Dan both did Linux Spotlight Episodes with our former co-host Rocco. Dan's episode (https://youtu.be/r5WYun6PVYc) and Leo's (https://youtu.be/rSQpy0LzNLw)
We plan to drop some more tidbits in the not too distant future.
Peter Jones
Thanks for the support and for listening.
Mintcast (https://mintcast.org)
Crowbar Kernel Panic (http://crowbarkernelpanic.com)
Full Circle Weekly (https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcasts/)
Emiliano from Argentina
Thanks for the message, the Spanish test and the support.
QOwnNotes & Joplin
Scott
* Scott recommends QOwnNotes (https://www.qownnotes.org) and not Joplin (https://joplinapp.org).
Another Vote for Obsidian. Then Anki, RemNote and LogSeq
DesertDoug
Doug searched long and hard recently for a note taking app too. Doug bumped into Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/), Anki (https://apps.ankiweb.net/), RemNote (https://www.remnote.com/) and Logseq (https://logseq.com/).
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Gentoo Focus
Jensmander1223 sent some tips to help Dan with his bootloader issue. Dan will continue to keep working on that. Jensmander also sent along the tip to use colordiff (https://github.com/daveewart/colordiff) which can highlight differences when changing config files. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch).
🔭Next Time🔭
We plan to explore and provide the history of LXDE Desktop Environment (https://www.lxde.org).
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
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Coming up in this episode
* The AI Revolution is Coming
* The History of MATE
* We Read the Tea Leaves
* Then Look to Lighten the Load
The Video
https://youtu.be/rKEIwDb1R9Q
0:00 Cold Open
4:09 Embrace the AI Overlords
21:45 The History of MATE
42:22 How Is MATE?
1:05:16 Next Time
1:07:51 Stinger
Preshow - The Computer Shopper
Dan is sitting on a gold mine with his collection of Computer Shoppers (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=computer+shopper+magazine&_sacat=0)
🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop
Deepin OS is working on adding AI in (https://www.deepin.org/en/deepin-and-ai/) Another link (https://news.itsfoss.com/deepin-linux-distro-ai/)
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The History of Mate
The first MATE org blogpost (https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2011-12-05-introducing-mate-desktop/)
The initial Arch Linux forum post (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162&p=1)
Perberos described the fork as... (https://youtu.be/iwQ7iqNwRKs?t=64)
Phoronix August 2011 (https://www.phoronix.com/news/OTgxMA)
ingeek 2011 (https://web.archive.org/web/20140214105804/http://ingeek.com/a-gnome-2-fork-the-mate-desktop-environment)
Perberos attempted to grow the community on the Ubuntu forums (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11333073) and Linux Mint forums (https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=86481)
Perberos, Clement Lefebvre, Stefano Karapetsas, and Steve Zesch were the founders (https://web.archive.org/web/20120122102625/http://mate-desktop.org:80/team/).
The initial migration script (https://pub.mate-desktop.org/releases/1.1/)
Salix (https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3510#p22897) had been one of the very first distributions to headline MATE
The GNOME team created GNOME Flashback (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback#History)
MATE University (https://github.com/mate-desktop-legacy-archive/mate-university)
GhostBSD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GhostBSD) features the Mate desktop
By the end of the year and into 2014 (https://youtu.be/iwQ7iqNwRKs), MATE was officially available in Arch, Debian, Fedora, Linux Mint, openSUSE, Sabayon, Salix and Ubuntu.
Stefano Karapestas stepped up (https://youtu.be/sRNK9QnnvCo?t=1395) to lead the team.
Clem had his part-ownership of MATE removed. He had this to say (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4591)
The big scoop MATE 1.28 (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases/tag/v1.28.0) and1.28.1 (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases/tag/v1.28.1) were recently released!
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* We search for the humans on the other end of the Internet
* We pour over the Feedback
* We focus on the Gentoo feedback
The Video Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALGS4Vtei0
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:30 The KDE AMA
7:47 The Truth About KDE 4.0
19:46 AppImage Is Broken in Ubuntu
24:47 There Be Humans Out There
40:07 Reverb Focus!
* 41:33 Douglas (Old Mac, New Tricks)
* 49:29 Bruce (Well, Why Don't Ya?!)
* 55:12 Jayden (GNOME Syndrome)
1:04:15 The Care & Feeding of Gentoo (feat. Ryan)
1:15:51 Next Time!
1:20:32 Stinger
🔥Warm up🔥
There was an KDE AMA on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/comment/835481) and on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ae4spk/plasma_6_rc_2_is_landing_on_wednesday_get_ready/)
Troy Unrau (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/comment/836067), a KDE dev, on the KDE History
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There are humans on the other end of that Internet
This conversation was sparked from this Tweet (https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1740110615404806483)
Linus gets passionate sometimes (https://web.archive.org/web/20240201103502/https://lkml.org/lkml/2024/1/26/1013)
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Douglas Paul
Douglas does his own 12 step distro hop program.
Gnome (https://www.gnome.org/), Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/), with Extensions (https://extensions.gnome.org/) and Albert (https://albertlauncher.github.io/) is the landing spot... at least for now.
Bruce Hankins on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11)
Two categories of users, average users and power users.
Average users don't really tinker.
Power users like to tinker (this is where Leo and Dan fall as well as many of you) but there is a small amount of us.
Installation of the system and applications is not intuitive.
Jayden on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11) AAAAAAND a Note Suggestion
Gnome with gestures and multi-touch (https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Gestures) are great.
A couple of note taking apps for Leo to chase - Xournal++ (https://xournalpp.github.io/) and Rnote (https://rnote.flxzt.net/)
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🔭Next Time🔭
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* Notating the Notes
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Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:44 A Note on Notes
22:52 The History of KDE
28:29 History: KDE 1
30:42 History: KDE 2
33:03 History: KDE 3
36:21 History: KDE 4
45:36 History: Plasma 5
51:34 History: Plasma 6
53:17 Plasma 6 Raw (hide)
1:20:49 Next Time: Topics, then MATE
1:27:37 Stinger
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🔥Warm Up🔥
Leo hits the books and learns about reference style links (https://www.markdownguide.org/basic-syntax/#reference-style-links) in markdown. Thanks go to Dominic and Furicle.
Eric mentioned MarkText (https://www.marktext.cc) and now the squirrels have Dan chasing that.
Leo tries settling on Vivaldi Notes (https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tools/notes-manager/).
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The History of KDE
The email on October 14, 1996 to start it all. (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ)
KDE ONE (https://web.archive.org/web/20180613130417/http://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_One_(Developer_Meeting))
K Desktop Environment first real beta release (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0-beta1/).
Beta 1 Screenshots (https://web.archive.org/web/19980129135932/http://www.kde.org/kscreenshots.html)
KDE 1.0 was released on July 12, 1998 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/).
1998 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://linux-center.org/articles/9809/interview.html)
KFM turned into Konqueror (https://web.archive.org/web/20080723193818/http://konqueror.kde.org/faq#WheredoesthenameiKonqueroricomefrom).
Konqi (https://community.kde.org/Konqi)
KDE 2.0 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/2.0/)
KDE 2.1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180613130417/https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.1.php)
In April of 2002, KDE 3.0 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/3.0/) was released.
2003 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6834)
2004 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://behindkde.org/matthias-ettrich-1)
KDE Community World Summit 2004 "aKademy" (https://conference2004.kde.org/).
2005 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://archive.fosdem.org/2005/2005/index/interviews/interviews_ettrich.html)
April 8, 2005 Kubuntu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#/media/File:Kubuntu.5.04.KDE.png).
KDE 3.5 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/3.5/)
KDE Four Core Meeting (https://dot.kde.org/2006/06/26/kde-libs-hackers-meet-kde-four-core)
KDE 4 (https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.0/)
Oxygen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_Project)
2008 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://tfir.io/matthias-ettrich-creator-of-kde/)
KDE hit the 1,000,000 commit (https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-its-subversion-repository)
Starting from 4.3.4 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.4.php), is a "software compilation".
November 2009, K Desktop Environment is just KDE (https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand), now.
Fork of KDE 3.5 becomes Trinity Desktop Environment (https://www.trinitydesktop.org/).
KDE SC 4.5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/).
October 2010, an official split from KOffice (https://lwn.net/Articles/419822/)
Plasma Active (https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-active-one/)
KDE Manifesto (https://manifesto.kde.org/index.html)
December 2012, a redesigned Konqi (http://tysontan.deviantart.com/art/Konqi-ver-2-494267237).
KDE release structure changed (https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves).
KDE SC 4.14 (https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.14.0/) the last in the series.
Plasma 5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/) and Frameworks 5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.0.php)
2015 Wayland enters the room. (https://dot.kde.org/2015/12/18/first-plasma-wayland-live-image)
Plasma Mobile (https://dot.kde.org/2015/07/25/plasma-mobile-free-mobile-platform)
Plasma Bigscreen (https://plasma-bigscreen.org/)
KDE Neon (https://dot.kde.org/2016/01/30/fosdem-announcing-kde-neon)
Slimbook (https://dot.kde.org/2017/01/26/kde-and-slimbook-release-laptop-kde-fans)
KDE Plasma is chosen (https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech) for the Steam Deck when in Desktop Mode!
The development and chat platforms move to Gitlab (https://about.gitlab.com/press/releases/2019-09-17-gitlab-adopted-by-KDE.html) and Matrix (https://community.kde.org/Matrix).
The first release candidate for Plasma 6 (https://kde.org/announcements/megarelease/6/rc1/)
Plasma 6's release date is planned for February 28th of 2024.
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* There are humans on the other end of the Internet.
* We do some Browser spectating.
* Gentoo loses its mind.
0:00 Cold Open
1:43 Why Not Linux?
25:39 Browser Watch!
55:47 Reverb Focus
1:10:18 Community Focus: DB Tech
1:15:03 Gentoo Focus
1:24:26 Next Time: KDE History
1:26:31 Stinger
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So, why don't you use Linux?
The Mastodon post (https://theres.life/@arraybolt3/111681525443443676) that sparked our conversation.
It also got posted to Reddit and this was one reply (https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/s/v6zShddD3j) 🚨Warning NSFW language🚨
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Firefox 120 came with some great new features (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/120.0/releasenotes/).
Firefox 121 got Wayland by default with a fallback to XWayland (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/121.0/releasenotes/)
Vivaldi 6.5 (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-6-5/) introduces the Sessions Panel, improved syncing, and improved notes.
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Reverb Focus
Ian
Don't forget about Enlightenment which had a recent release (http://www.enlightenment.org/news/2023-12-23-enlightenment-0.26.0).
Vidar
Big thanks for binging all the back episodes, we hope you stay tuned for more. We might make it to a BSD episode someday.
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Too many Gnome extensions is too much. Vanilla is the way.
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Started with Gnome 2.4 then jumped to Cinnamon. Gnome is really different from other desktop environments.
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Community Focus - DB Tech (https://www.youtube.com/@DBTechYT)
DB Tech Links (https://dbt3.ch/@dbtech)
DB Tech Web Site (https://dbtechreviews.com/)
DB Tech YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DBTechYT)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Gentoo Going Binary (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html) Thanks Bikhu for the reminder
Next Time
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* The Browser Watch Leftovers
* The History of GNOME
* And Why Gnome is the best desktop
* And a little holiday break
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:29 Riding the Lightning
16:45 GNOME History: Pre-GNOME
23:01 GNOME History: GNOME 1.x
25:58 GNOME History: GNOME 2.x
33:22 GNOME History: GNOME 3.x
41:31 GNOME History: GNOME 40 and Beyond
48:01 How'd GNOME Go?
1:15:39 Next Time: Topics & KDE
1:26:18 Stinger
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Mini Browser Watch
October 30, Mozilla announces the nightly Deb packages (https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2023/10/30/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-deb-packages-for-debian-based-linux-distributions/)
November 30, Mozilla announces the developer and beta Deb packages (https://hacks.mozilla.org/2023/11/firefox-developer-edition-and-beta-try-out-mozillas-deb-package/)
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The History of Gnome
The email in 1997 to start it all (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/1997-August/msg00123.html)
Development snapshot 0.13 announcement (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/1998-March/msg00002.html)
GNOME 1.0 release (https://foundation.gnome.org/1999/03/03/gnome-1-0-released/)
GUADEC (https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC)
GNOME OG website (https://web.archive.org/web/20000407082920/http://www.gnome.org/)
GNOME revamped website (https://web.archive.org/web/20000621134911/http://www.gnome.org/)
HP's HP/UX and Sun's Solaris announce they would be using GNOME (https://www.computerworld.com/article/2596398/unix-vendors-adopt-gnome-desktop.html) as their default desktops.
GNOME Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation)
GNOME 2.0 release (https://foundation.gnome.org/2002/06/26/gnome-2-0-released-desktop-environment-boasts-simpler-user-interface-and-a-host-of-powerful-developer-tools/)
Ubuntu 4.10 ships GNOME 2.8 (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000003.html)
GNOME no longer part of GNU (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00055.html)
GNOME was no longer an acronym. (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-April/msg00050.html)
Gnome 3.0 arrives (https://foundation.gnome.org/2011/04/06/gnome-3-0-has-arrived/)
Linus Torvalds noted (https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/)
Linus Torvalds, originally critical, returned to using GNOME for his day to day work, but noted that (https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/)
Groupon, the couponing company, decided that they would make a tablet and name it... GNOME (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/s/groupon-gnome-legal-war-almost-080504914.html).
Again, the target of litigation (https://www.zdnet.com/article/leave-gnome-alone-this-patent-troll-is-asking-for-trouble/)
Rothschild Patent Imaging was stripped of its patent rights (https://blog.opensource.org/gnome-patent-troll-stripped-of-patent-rights/)
Gnome 40 (https://forty.gnome.org/)
The Gnome 40 announcement (https://foundation.gnome.org/2021/03/24/gnome-40-release/)
The Gnome 45 announcement (https://foundation.gnome.org/2023/09/20/introducing-gnome-45/)
Original GNOME introduction (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3139) (~99)
The Evolution of the GNOME Project (http://turingmachine.org/files/papers/dmg_wosse2002add.pdf)
Using GNOME gmc (https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=131217&seqNum=12) (GNOME Midnight Commander)
"A Brief History of GNOME" Presentation Notes (https://blogs.gnome.org/jrb/files/2017/07/A-Brief-History-of-GNOME-1.pdf)
"A Brief History of GNOME" Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUmptI6O2w)
GNOME 2.0 - 40 Release Notes (https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/)
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* 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids)
Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the KDE Plasma Desktop Environment (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/).
We are taking a mini-holiday 🎄 pause, we will see you in the new year. ☃️ We wish you a happy holiday season! ❄️
Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.
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Larry
LiNuXsys666
Livet
Musical Coder
Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias -
Coming up in this episode
* Leo makes me a LUSsh 🍻
* Official standings for a browser
* We strum some reverberations
* Focus on the HQ
* Focus on the sounds
* Forecast the future
Watch the video!
https://youtu.be/-b1gHt0v4q8
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
2:05 Go to lus.sh
8:38 Fed Up with Ubuntu?
14:20 * Forced Snaps
21:24 * Ads in the Terminal
27:00 * Telemetry?!
29:42 * Ubuntu is Anti-Freedom?
32:21 * Maybe use Linux Mint
34:43 Browser Watch
34:57 * The Vivaldi Flatpak
39:49 * Vivaldi on iOS
42:54 * iOS May Go WebKit Free
47:53 Reverb Focus
48:05 * Ian
53:13 * Dan!
58:26 * TeamLinux01
1:03:16 Community Focus: SteamDeckHQ
1:10:54 Gentoo Focus #5
1:23:46 Next Time: Gnome History
1:26:54 Stinger
lus.sh (http://lus.sh)
.sh is a common Shell Script file extension
.sh is the first two letters in "show" like its bigger domain name brother
.sh is also the first two letters in "short"
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Why Do We Still Use Ubuntu?
TLDR we(Leo and Dan) don't mind some of the choices Ubuntu has made but we can appreciate that there are good alternatives for those that want to go a different way.
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Browser Watch!
Vivaldi on Flatpak is Officially Unofficial
Vivaldi Flatpak on Flathub (https://flathub.org/apps/com.vivaldi.Vivaldi)
OMGUbuntu coverage (https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/vivaldi-web-browser-flathub)
Vivaldi is also on iOS
Vivaldi is on iOS (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-launches-on-ios/)
It has great features (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-ios-6-4/)
The Chromium devs are developing a Blink version for iOS (https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/04/google-working-on-browser-that-would-break-rules/)
Firefox devs are developing a Gecko version for iOS (https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/07/mozilla-developing-non-webkit-version-of-firefox/)
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Reverb Focus
Ian comments on YouTube about Ed
You can see the comments on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUCuzkKGHos)
Dan commented about Xfce history, Manjaro and KDE Plasma
You can watch our Xfce history on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI3pMqjQvo) Or TILvids (https://tilvids.com/w/6gFtNH1XywyFNd3heKHFro)
TeamLinux01 wants to hear about Valve's Linux journey
Thanks for the feedback. I think this might just be the push we needed to look into the history of Steam and Linux. We're both big fans so it makes sense.
Community Focus - Steamdeck HQ (https://steamdeckhq.com/)
Main Website - Steamdeck HQ (https://steamdeckhq.com/)
Steamdeck HQ YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI49gT5yWGP7fLn2ql-DlgA)
Steamdeck HQ on Mastodon (https://mastodon.world/@steamdeckhq)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Next Time
We plan to explore and provide the history of Gnome Desktop Environment (https://www.gnome.org/).
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
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Larry
LiNuXsys666
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Musical Coder
Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias -
Coming up in this episode
* A little Musing on CDE
* A few answers from the man himself
* The history of XFce
* How it went
* And a new journey
0:00 Cold Open
1:29 Ask Olivier
20:04 Xfce History: In the Beginning (1996)
22:08 Enter XFce (1997)
24:47 The XForms Problem (1998)
25:56 The Third (1999)
29:32 The Fourth (2001-2015)
32:59 The Third, Again (2016-2023)
36:22 More Questions!
45:50 How'd Xfce Go?
1:02:25 Next Time
1:09:45 Stinger
You can also watch on Youtube
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The History of Xfce
Olivier Fourdan posted a question (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1997/0218.html) to a few newsgroups that got things started.
XForms toolkit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XForms_(toolkit))
An early release announcement - 2.3.0 (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/0110-a.html)
Changelog for 2.4.0 (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/0317-b.txt) which shows changes all the way back to the beginning.
XFce 2.4 User Guide (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/xfce-2.4/en/index.html)
XFce 3.2 User Guide (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/xfce-3.2/help.html)
2000 Interview - 10 Questions with Olivier Fourdan (https://web.archive.org/web/20001017144724/http://www.linuxorbit.com/features/interview1.php3)
2001 Interview (https://web.archive.org/web/20010603075344/http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/05/01/0821338)
XFce 4.0 announcement September 25th 2003 (https://web.archive.org/web/20031002123938/http://www.xfce.org/en/press_release_en.html)
xfce goes all lowercase (https://web.archive.org/web/20040607035013/http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=news&lang=en)
2007 Interview (https://web.archive.org/web/20070116201506/http://linuxgazette.net/issue43/jacobowitz.xfce.html)
2009 Linux Journal Interview (https://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/xfce-third-man)
2009 Slashgear Interview (https://www.slashgear.com/xfce-creator-talks-linux-moblin-netbooks-and-open-source-0633329/)
2017 Interview with Sean Davis (https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/interview-xfce.html)
Xfce 4.4 - 4.18 (https://xfce.org/about/news)
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Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Gnome Desktop Environment (https://www.gnome.org/).
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
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Super User
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Larry
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Livet
Musical Coder
Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias -
Coming up in this episode
* Buntober?
* We Keep the IPs safe
* Cryptic greetings
* Some feedback
* and we get double focused
We do video, too!
https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q
407 Audio Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:48 Ubuntu Attacks!
17:20 Google Protection?
31:36 Encrypted Client Hello
46:33 Reverb
1:17:15 Gentoo Focus
1:26:42 Stinger
We're both on Ubuntu 23.10.... WHAT?!
Ubuntu Desktop (https://ubuntu.com/desktop)
Ubuntu Flavors (https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours)
23.10 Release Announcement (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/39495)
Leo is all aboard on the Wayland hotness on the main Ubuntu desktop and Dan is trying out Xubuntu to pair with our Xfce journey.
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Google is protecting our IPs
Google Chrome's IP Protection (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-chromes-new-ip-protection-will-hide-users-ip-addresses/)
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Cryptic Greetings
Encrypted Client Hello (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/encrypted-hello/)
HTTPS - RFC 2818 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2818)
Server Name Indication (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3546)
Firefox 119 release notes (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/119.0/releasenotes/)
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Reverb Focus
Stewie on the Gentoo Checkin in episode 405
A decent overview about Swap Space (https://phoenixnap.com/kb/swap-space)
Dominic on Telegram
Why does everything look like Windows? Windows, Icons, Menus and Panels aka WIMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing)) is popular and familiar.
Nate on Telegram
Nate is running Plasma (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/) in a Wayland session (https://wayland.freedesktop.org/) on openSUSE Tumbleweed (https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/) on his Framework Laptop (https://frame.work/) with success.
John A. on Lemmy
John recommends keeping our Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) instance limited to Patrons (https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace).
Community Focus - Craft Computing
Craft Computing YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@CraftComputing)
Craft Computing Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/CraftComputing)
Craft Computing on X (https://twitter.com/CraftComputing)
Craft Computing subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/CraftComputing/)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Next Time
We plan to explore and provide the history of XFCE (https://xfce.org).
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
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Larry
LiNuXsys666
Livet
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Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias -
Coming up in this episode
* We do a little upgrade
* Firefox fixes a tooltip
* The History of W, V, X and CDE
* How it went
* And a new old desktop to explore
0:00 Cold Open
1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded!
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly
22:22 CDE History: Intro
24:04 CDE History: X
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK
29:25 CDE History: COSE
31:28 CDE History: CDE & Others
34:24 CDE History: The Opening
36:14 CDE History: The Releases
43:02 How'd CDE Go?
1:16:00 Next Time
1:21:29 Stinger
Watch the video! (https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q)
https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q
Banter
The LUS Lemmy instance (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) got an update (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0).
The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be prepared for (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading).
One of the issues Dan had is likely fixed now. (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059)
The Bug (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/) that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!
Dan installed Firefox (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds) from the .tar.gz download.
Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the /opt directory.
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The History of The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/)
The Andrew Project (https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml)
W was a windowing system that was originally written for the V operating system (https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/~teo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf).
In 1984, Robert Scheifler wrote (https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml).
X is our “reaction” to W (https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053)
Ultrix Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager), or uwm
Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm), or twm
Open Look Specification (https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm)
The OSF narrows the search for a User Interface (https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=open%20look&f=false).
HP (https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf) and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.
Sun went on to build OpenWindows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows), which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace SunView (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView).
COSE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment)
In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, merged (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J), and in 96, merged again (https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html) with X/Open into The Open Group.
Motif and CDE became one (https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ)
KDE enters the scene (https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ).
May of 2000 when Motif was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ) as OpenMotif.
LessTif, because Less is Mo, published an initial statement (https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html)
August 6th, 2012, CDE was relicensed (https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/~kpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293) under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today.
After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on March 1st, 2014 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/).
The final release, at least as of this recording, 2.5.1 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/), dropped in October of 2022.
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Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Xfce Desktop Environment (https://xfce.org/)
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
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We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!
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Jill and Steve
Larry
LiNuXsys666
Livet
Musical Coder
Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias -
Coming up in this episode
* You are so far aWAY from me
* We are watching out for the browsers
* A little reverb focus
* Community and GenTOO
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:40 The Wayland Soapbox
20:33 Browser Watch
46:27 Reverb Focus
1:12:02 Community Focus
1:14:46 Gentoo Focus
1:29:30 Next Time: CDE History!
1:31:50 Stinger
Watch the Video! (https://youtu.be/ZIL1ssfGx9k)
https://youtu.be/ZIL1ssfGx9k
Social Soapbox - Wayland
Nate Graham's blog post - So let's talk about this Wayland thing (https://pointieststick.com/2023/09/17/so-lets-talk-about-this-wayland-thing/)
The Wayland Protocol (https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/)
Wayland from the Arch Wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland)
Wayland from the Gentoo Wiki (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wayland)
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Browser Watch
Vivaldi’s Open Letter — Microsoft DMA Compliance (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldis-open-letter-microsoft-dma-compliance/)
Deciding for ourselves: 98% of people want a browser choice screen, Mozilla study finds (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/browser-choice-screen-study/)
It's time to ditch Chrome and fall in love with Firefox (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/118.0/releasenotes/) again.
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Reverb Focus
Stewie - Why GRUB?
Gentoo Wiki - GRUB (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB)
GRUB2 Gentoo Quick Start (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start)
Dai - Telemetry
Fedora considers adding telemetry (https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/)
Fedora Wiki on the proposal (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry)
Endless OS's optional telemetry (https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/)
Ganome - Gentoo
Switching to the Gnome Profile (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage)) doesn't install Gnome (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/Guide#Installation) but it is an important step.
emerge --ask gnome-base/gnome is what installs the desktop.
Rene
Wi-Fi Sheep (https://wifisheep.co.uk/)
RISC OS Developments Ltd (https://www.riscosdev.com/)
RISC OS Open (https://www.riscosopen.org/content/)
RISC OS Info (https://www.riscos.info/index.php/RISC_OS)
RISC OS at Distrowatch (https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=risc)
Plan9 Foundation (https://p9f.org/)
leepsvideo YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@leepspvideo)
EasyOS (https://easyos.org/)
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Community Focus - Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro (https://www.youtube.com/@JorgeCastro)
Universal Blue (https://universal-blue.org/)
Jorge at GitHub (https://github.com/castrojo)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Gentoo MAKEOPTS jobs (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MAKEOPTS)
Next Time
We plan to explore and provide the history of CDE or Common Desktop Environment (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/).
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Coming up in this episode
* The prying eyes wanna know 👀
* The History of Silverblue
* What's immutable anyway?
* and how we layered a few packages
0:00 Cold Open
1:44 Telemetry Trouble
27:45 Silverblue 2012
30:49 Silverblue 2013-2014
33:55 Silverblue 2015-2017
34:50 Silverblue 2018
38:25 Silverblue 2019-2021
39:56 Silverblue 2022-2023
41:47 An Immutability Primer?
1:01:39 How'd Silverblue Go?
1:28:42 Next Time: Topics & CDE
1:33:04 Stinger
The video version! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU
Banter
Fedora considers adding telemetry (https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/)
Fedora Wiki on the proposal (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry)
Endless OS's optional telemetry (https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/)
Discussion thread (https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320/774)
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The History of Fedora Silverblue
Multiple Bootable Roots (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/OSTree/NixOSComparison)
From GUADEC 2012 - OSTree (https://lwn.net/Articles/511877/#walters)
Gnome Continuous (https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/GnomeContinuous)
Walters described (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0ZEHPXJ9Q) OSTree as "a magic formula."
March 20, 2013 - Docker is born (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software))
CoreOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Linux) sees its first public release in October of 2013.
Red Hat official inclusion (https://web.archive.org/web/20131128171128/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/11/26/rhel6-5-ga/) of Docker with RHEL 6.5
April 2014 - Project Atomic (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/announcing-project-atomic/)
The actual distro building was left (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/05/the-difference-between-project-atomic-and-atomic-hosts/) to the actual distro projects.
Instructions to build on top of Fedora 20 (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/build-your-own-atomic-host-on-fedora-20/)
CENTOS and RHEL partner (https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html) which began the journey to Atomic Host (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/06/centos-atomic-host-sig-propposed/).
A Fedora Atomic Host installable ISO becomes available (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/07/new-fedora-atomic-installable-iso/) based on Rawhide.
August 2014 - CentOS Atomic Host alpha builds were available (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/08/centos-7-alpha-builds-for-atomic/).
December 2014 - Fedora 21 releases with Atomic Host images (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/12/fedora-21-goes-gold-with-atomic-images/).
March 2015 - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host released (https://web.archive.org/web/20150312173742/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2015/03/05/announcement-rhel-atomic-host-ga/).
July 2015 - Package layering (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2016/07/hacking-and-extending-atomic-host/) was introduced.
Atomic Hosts came and went, including (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic) bi-weekly releases (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2015/12/fedora-atomic-host-two-week-release-ready/)
2016 - XDG-App was renamed Flatpak (https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/flatpak/2016-May/000204.html).
2018 - CoreOS Docker platform was acquired by Red Hat (https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acquire-coreos-expanding-its-kubernetes-and-containers-leadership) in January. It became, Red Hat CoreOS (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2018/05/welcome-redhat-coreos/).
The Fedora flavor would live on as... Team Silverblue (https://web.archive.org/web/20180505090226/https://www.teamsilverblue.org/).
The domain name and handles around the web were available (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/_attachments/team-silverblue-origins.pdf)
It was almost called Silverleaf (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/faq/)
October 30, 2018 - Fedora 29 was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20190407211446/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/) with a Silverblue variant. Matthew Miller on Fedora Magazine noted (https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/).
The Fedora Council made the decision (https://web.archive.org/web/20191121020222/https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedoras-strategic-direction-an-update-from-the-council/796) to tighten things up regarding naming.
2019 - Fedora 30 and the Silverblue variant were released (https://web.archive.org/web/20201201201318/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/)
2021 - Silverblue 35 in November, Fedora Kinoite (https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/) appears.
2023 - Silverblue 38 in April, Fedora Sericea (https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/) appears.
Further Reading
Fedora Silverblue Technical information (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/)
rpm-ostree documentation (https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/)
Vanilla OS documentation (https://documentation.vanillaos.org/)
ABRoot (https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot)
blendOS documentation (https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro)
libostree (https://ostreedev.github.io/ostree/)
Sodalite (https://github.com/sodaliterocks/)
Bazzite (https://bazzite.gg/)
Universal Blue (https://universal-blue.org/)
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Next Time
Some topics and some feedback. Our next distro isn't a distro, what? We plan to explore and provide the history of CDE or Common Desktop Environment (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/).
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sleepyeyesvince -
Coming up in this episode
* Immutability is confusing
* Going the wrong WEI (or W-E-I)
* Reverb Focus
* Hardware Focus
* And Gentoo Focus
0:00 Cold Open
1:34 Immutability Is Confusing
21:25 Going the Wrong WEI
40:55 Reverb Focus
45:56 Community Focus
51:09 Gentoo Focus
1:29:25 Next Time
1:31:02 Stinger
The video version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q89OFjgdk
Banter
Fedora Silverblue Technical information (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/)
rpm-ostree documentation (https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/)
Vanilla OS documentation (https://documentation.vanillaos.org/)
ABRoot (https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot)
blendOS documentation (https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro)
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Web Environment Integrity
2015 - AMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages)
2019 - Google proposed Web Bundles (https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/web-bundles/)
2021 - Google weakened the power of extensions (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening)
May 2022 - First party sets were introduced through the W3C by Google but in June 2022, the W3C decided to drop the idea (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacycg/2022Jun/0003.html).
April 24, 2023 - The original Google WEI proposal post (https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md)
July 24, 2023 - Mozilla's rebuke (https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747)
July 25, 2023 - Vivaldi's rebuke (https://vivaldi.com/blog/googles-new-dangerous-web-environment-integrity-spec/)
August 1, 2023 - Brave's rebuke (https://brave.com/web-standards-at-brave/9-web-environment-integrity/)
August 8, 2023 - The EFF rebuke (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1)
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Reverb Focus, all about the feedback.
Lily
https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/
Hackerdefo
I have created a few useful (hopefully) gists related to Debian
sources.list files and Debian download links. Here are links to those gists,
https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab
https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f
https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d
https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa
My Blog -> https://hakerdefo.github.io
My Projects -> https://github.com/hakerdefo
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Community Focus - Hardware Haven (https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven)
YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven)
Discord (https://discord.gg/25a6qVdSMh)
Gentoo Focus
use https://packages.gentoo.org
read the news - eselect news read new
pay attention to profile selection (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage))
Next Time
The history of the Fedora Immutable Desktops so Fedora Silverblue (https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/) or Fedora Kinoite (https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/) or Fedora Sericea (https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/).
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sleepyeyesvince -
Coming up in this episode
* An NVMe for me
* The Shure Next To You
* Of course, the History of Debian
* Our Thoughts of it over the monthSSSS
0:00 Cold Open
1:04 A Few Good Deals
16:14 The History of Debian | The Beginning
18:00 The History of Debian | 1993 - 1994
22:23 The History of Debian | 1995 - 1998
26:15 The History of Debian | 1999 & Y2k
31:11 The History of Debian | 2001 - 2009
36:40 The History of Debian | 2010 - 2020
42:39 The History of Debian | 2021 - 2027
45:33 A Month of Debian 12 Thoughts
1:13:24 - Next Time | Fedora Silverblue & Topics
1:18:03 Stinger
The video version on Youtube (https://youtu.be/FmPXjMo_Dbk)
https://youtu.be/FmPXjMo_Dbk
Banter
Dan's new 💾 NVMe (https://www.crucial.com/ssd/p3-plus/CT2000P3PSSD8)
Dan's new 🎤 Shure audio interface (https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/accessories/x2u-xlr-usb-interface?variant=X2U)
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The History of Debian
Before Debian there was Softlanding Linux (https://web.archive.org/web/20211215084534/https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux/c/Q4fxCi2g0kc/m/Z6vfd2aLSQwJ).
August 16, 1993, Ian Murdock's announcement that started it all (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Debian-announcement-1993.txt#CA-c114de97e513912ade3e21cedd1d833957c8edf6_13).
January 1994, Ian releases the Debian Manifesto (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/manifesto).
April 1, 1994, Ian was struggling to keep up with it all and needed a break (https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1994/msg00005.html).
March 1996, Ian steps down as Debian Project Leader (https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1996/msg00003.html). Leaving Bruce Perens to take up the job.
The FSF pulls sponsorship (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.misc/c/A30TG4KRx4Y/m/WKi_Yx0iuTAJ) but later the FSF "resumed cordial relations" (https://www.debian.org/intro/cooperation).
June 17, 1996, Debian 1.1 is released (https://web.archive.org/web/19970616164301/http://www.debian.org/1.1/release.html) with the first ever codename based on Toy Story characters. It was named Buzz (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBuzz), after Buzz Lightyear. A list of all the Debian releases (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/releases.en.html).
February 1, 1997, A board of directors had been elected (https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1997/msg00000.html) for Software in the Public Interest.
February 20, 1997, Debian shows its intent to ratify a constitution (https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/1997/msg00005.html).
July 1, 1997, Debian is really launched into space (https://www.debian.org/News/1997/19970626a) this time to monitor plant growth in microgravity, sending video and other data (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2186) back home.
December 2, 1998, Debian ratifies a Constitution (https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.1.0).
At the beginning of 1999, Wichert Akkerman was elected Debian Project Leader and started with giving Debian a permanent identity.
Logo on debian.org as of April 14, 1997 (https://web.archive.org/web/19970414140629im_/http://www.debian.org/Pics/debian.jpg)
January 24, 1999, the logo license for Captain Blue-Eye, expired again (https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/1999/4/mail#mail2).
February 4, 1999, a Logo contest announcement (https://www.debian.org/News/1999/19990204)!
May 3, 1999, the submissions were in. (https://www.debian.org/vote/1999/vote_0004) Captain Blue-Eye was thought to be too Linux-specific (https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/1999/14/mail#mail1).
June 8, 1999, The iconic swirl that we see today won the vote (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/1999/07/msg00005.html).
July 6, 1999, dpkg version 2, which was hinted (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/05/msg01405.html) at by Ben Collins back in May, is now officially a thing and the specifications are out there boasting a more modular design (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/1999/07/msg00012.html).
Debian weathered the Y2k storm with no major problems (https://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2000/1/).
In October 2001, LAN Comp Systems begin mastering Debian 3.0 on DVD (https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/25/2250255/debian-on-dvd) ahead of the official release.
Debian 3.0 was delayed because of broken boot floppies (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2001/04/msg00004.html).
2002, the first net installation images were available (https://people.debian.org/~ieure/netinst/).
2007, through a disagreement with Mozilla on backporting security fixes, would be replaced (https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox#Iceweasel) by the free-software version, Iceweasel.
2013, the trailing 0 on the major release is dropped (https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/05/msg01020.html). Minor releases will continue adding the point, as in .1, .2, etc.
Also in 2013, multi-arch support (https://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b) is added.
2020, Jonathan Carter (https://jonathancarter.org/) was elected Debian Project Leader and has been reaffirmed three more times, and is currently serving as Leader.
June 10, 2023, Debian 12 is released (https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/), codenamed Bookworm.
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Debian Quick links
Main Web Site (https://www.debian.org)
Blog (https://bits.debian.org)
User Forums (https://forums.debian.net)
Bug Tracking System (https://www.debian.org/Bugs/)
Debian at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian)
Debian History page (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html)
Debian releases (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/releases.en.html)
The Debian Handbook - The Debian Project (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/the-debian-project.en.html)
List of Debian Project Leaders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Debian_project_leaders)
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Next Time
Some topics and some feedback. Our next distro is the Fedora Immutable Desktops so Fedora Silverblue (https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/) or Fedora Kinoite (https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/) or Fedora Sericea (https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/).
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Nick -
Coming up in this episode
* The Catchup Episode (We've missed so much!)
* The Red Hat Recap
* Browser Watch...ing!
* Some feedback, and a focus
The Video Podcast (https://youtu.be/ZKm9vgJzAO8)
https://youtu.be/ZKm9vgJzAO8
401 Audio Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
2:16 The Gentoo Checkin
11:33 We Have a Lemmy!
19:24 Red Hat Recap
46:09 Browser Watch
1:05:21 Feedback
1:23:05 Community Focus: Linux Matters
1:27:03 App Focus: Jerboa & Memmy
1:34:48 Next Time: Debian
1:37:09 Stinger
Banter
Gentoo check in - Use the Handbook! (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page) The wiki (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Main_Page) is just great in general.
Lemmy (https://join-lemmy.org/)
The Linux User Space Lemmy instance (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/)
feddit's community browser (https://browse.feddit.de/)
Another Lemmy explorer (https://lemmyverse.net/communities)
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RH takes their source and goes home
2019
July - IBM completed its acquisition of Red Hat. Jim Whitehurst said at the time (https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ibm-closes-landmark-acquisition-red-hat-34-billion-defines-open-hybrid-cloud-future).
2020
December - CentOS Stream announced as the successor (https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innovative-future-enterprise-linux) to CentOS Linux.
an FAQ (https://centos.org/distro-faq/) linked in the CentOS announcement about Stream (https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream)
2021
January - Red Hat announces more free RHEL (https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-programs-easier-ways-access-rhel).
February - Brian Exelbierd noted on the Red Hat Developer site (https://web.archive.org/web/20230621142027/https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/02/03/a-guide-for-using-centos-project-code).
March - Alma Linux 8.3 was released (https://almalinux.org/blog/almalinux-os-stable-release-is-live/)
June - Rocky Linux followed with their 8.4 release (https://rockylinux.org/news/rocky-linux-8-4-ga-release/)
2022
Red Hat was posting 15% revenue increases (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article271678707.html) every quarter of the year.
IBM, despite its projected 3900 person layoff (https://www.ibm.com/investor/att/pdf/IBM-4Q22-Earnings-Prepared-Remarks.pdf) was growing at similar rates.
2023
April - Red Hat announement (https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/message-red-hat-associates-today)
Ben Cotton and others were laid off (https://funnelfiasco.com/blog/2023/05/12/inaction-bcotton/).
June - Red Hat announce that CentOS sources will no longer be on github (https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream)
Brian Exelbierd's post from February 2021 changed (https://web.archive.org/web/20230621142027/https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/02/03/a-guide-for-using-centos-project-code).
Mike McGrath writes a clarification post (https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hats-commitment-open-source-response-gitcentosorg-changes)
Rocky Linux announces that they'll possibly be using the Universal Base Images (https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open/)
July - Alma Linux no longer aims (https://almalinux.org/blog/future-of-almalinux/) for bug-for-bug compatibility.
SUSE and Oracle
Oracle's press release (https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-open-and-free-2023-07-10/)
Oracle Linux (https://www.oracle.com/linux/)
SUSE's statement (https://www.suse.com/c/navigating-changes-in-the-open-source-landscape/)
SUSE Liberty Linux (https://www.suse.com/products/suse-liberty-linux/)
SUSE Manager (https://www.suse.com/products/suse-manager/)
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Browser Watch
Firefox 115 (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/115.0/releasenotes/) brings hardware video decoding for Intel GPUs and more.
Vivaldi 6.1 they found a way (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-6-1/) to use Bing Chat.
Edge blocks notification spam (https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2023/07/06/fighting-notification-spam-microsoft-edge/), now!
Opera is relaunching as Opera One (https://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2023/06/introducing-opera-one/).
Feedback
Sebastian
SerenityOS (https://serenityos.org/)
Ladybird Browser (https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/)
Andreas Kling on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/AndreasKling)
Rich
Greenbone Open Source Vulnerability Management (https://github.com/greenbone)
Leo recommends The Linux Commandline by Willian Shotts (http://www.linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php/)
Dan recommends Learn Linux TV (https://www.learnlinux.tv/)
If there is something specific you want to know more about let us know.
Scout
HP Elite Mini 800 PCs (https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mdp/business-solutions/elitedesk-800-mini)
Lenovo M75q Mini PCs (https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkCentre/ThinkCentre_M75q_Gen_2)
Dell OptiPlex Micro PCs (https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/sr/desktops/optiplex-desktops/micro?appliedRefinements=41015)
The a11y project (https://www.a11yproject.com/)
Orca is part of Gnome (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Orca)
Other Gnome accessibility tools (https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/a11y.html)
KDE accessibility tools (https://userbase.kde.org/Applications/Accessibility)
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Jerboa in the Google Play Store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jerboa)
Jerboa in FDroid (https://f-droid.org/packages/com.jerboa)
Jerboa GitHub repo (https://github.com/dessalines/jerboa)
Memmy in the Apple store (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/memmy-for-lemmy/id6450204299)
Memmy GitHub repo (https://github.com/Memmy-App/memmy)
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Coming up in this episode
1. The History of ~~Raspbian~~ Raspberry Pi OS
2. What we've been doing with Pi's
3. And we run something over the break
Watch the video for this episode on Youtube (https://youtu.be/nLPuojqJbK4)
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0:00 Cold Open
1:36 SBC, One, Two, Three
17:24 Raspberry Pi History: The Early Days
19:55 2006 - 2012
22:22 2012 - 2014
26:26 2014 - 2017
33:28 2017 - 2020
37:05 2020 - 2023
43:12 Hot Pis and Hot Takes
1:07:41 Next Season: A Twofer
1:16:36 Stinger
Banter
ZimaBoard (https://www.zimaboard.com)
NanoPi R4S (https://wiki.friendlyelec.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_R4S)
NanoPi R2S (https://wiki.friendlyelec.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_R2S)
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Raspberry Pi OS the History
BBC Micro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro)
ZX Spectrum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum)
The very first Raspberry Pi prototypes (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-2006-edition/)
Early alpha boards (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/the-alpha-boards-are-here/)
Paul Beech's logo (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/logo-competition-we-have-a-winner/)
Early hacking resulted in a functional Debian Squeeze installation (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/first-root-filesystem-available-for-download/)
The Raspberry Pi is official (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/the-raspberry-pi-launch/)
Arch Linux ARM supporting the Raspberry Pi is out in the wild (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/arch-linux-arm-available-for-download/)
Raspberry Pi Fedora Remix (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-fedora-remix-our-recommended-distro-is-ready-for-download/)
The first Raspbian SD Image was made available for testing (http://www.zen103156.zen.co.uk/rpitime.pdf)
Raspberry Pi's began hitting doorsteps (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/deliveries-have-started/)
Quake III runs on Raspberry Pi (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/fancy-a-quake-iii-deathmatch/)
Debian Wheezy beta build hits the public net (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/debian-wheezy-public-beta/)
Raspbian was officially announced (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspbian-based-sd-card-image-released/)
Turbo Mode is added (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-turbo-mode-up-to-50-more-performance-for-free/)
The model B got upgraded (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/model-b-now-ships-with-512mb-of-ram/)
The Model A is finally available (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/model-a-now-for-sale-in-europe-buy-one-today/)
Minecraft: Pi Edition is released (https://web.archive.org/web/20130214025539/http://mojang.com/2013/02/minecraft-pi-edition-is-available-for-download/)
The cameras and updates in Raspbian are released (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/camera-board-available-for-sale/)
Wayland preview is announced (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/wayland-preview/)
NOOBS (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-noobs/)
Pi NoIR camera is now available (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/pi-noir-infrared-camera-now-available/)
No Foolin'. A website revamp (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/welcome-to-our-new-website/)
Raspberry Pi compute module is announced (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/)
Compute module development kits were available (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/compute-module-development-kits-now-available/) in June.
Raspberry Pi B+ is launched (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-model-b-plus/)
Hardware Attached on Top (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-hats/)
Model A+ is announced (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-model-a-plus-on-sale/)
The Raspberry Pi 2 launched (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-2-on-sale/)
The Raspberry Pi becomes the best selling British computer (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/feb/18/raspberry-pi-becomes-best-selling-british-computer)
Raspbian rebases on Jessie (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspbian-jessie-is-here/)
Raspberry Pi Zero lands (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-zero/)
Raspberry Pi 3 releases (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-3-on-sale/)
About 5% of website traffic was served up (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/serving-raspberry-pi-3-launch-raspberry-pi-3/) by a Pi 3 on launch day.
A camera connector for the Pi zero (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/zero-grows-camera-connector/)
Raspbian is now (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/docker-comes-to-raspberry-pi/) a fully supported platform for Docker!
SUSE released (https://www.suse.com/communities/blog/suse-linux-enterprise-server-raspberry-pi/) a 64-bit SUSE Linux Enterprise Server for the Raspberry Pi.
PIXEL is now available (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/pixel-pc-mac/) for any machine that can run Debian Jessie!
Compute Module 3 is released (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/compute-module-3-launch/)
Pi Zero W is added to the lineup (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-zero-w-joins-family/)
Raspbian rebases on Stretch (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspbian-stretch/)
The release for PCs and Macs rebases too (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/stretch-pcs-macs-raspbian-update/)
The setup wizard runs automatically on first start. (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspbian-update-june-2018/)
Pi 3 Model A+ hits shelves (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-product-raspberry-pi-3-model-a/)
Raspberry Pi 4 goes on sale (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/)
With the Pi 4 an overhauled OS gets shipped (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/buster-the-new-version-of-raspbian/)
Feb 2020 a new Raspbian release (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/a-new-raspbian-update/)
12.3 MP high quality camera hits the streets (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-product-raspberry-pi-high-quality-camera-on-sale-now-at-50/)
8GB version of the Raspberry Pi 4 is on sale (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/8gb-raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-at-75/)
Raspbian ==> Raspberry Pi OS (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-os-no-longer-raspbian)
Compute Module 4 lands (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-compute-module-4/)
Raspberry Pi 400. A Pi 4 built into a keyboard (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-400-the-70-desktop-pc/)
Dec 2020 Raspberry Pi OS release (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-os-release-december-2020/)
Raspberry Pi Pico (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-silicon-pico-now-on-sale/)
Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W is now on sale (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-2/)
The November 2021 release (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-os-debian-bullseye/)
Raspberry Pi OS in 64-bit finally hits mirrors (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-os-64-bit/)
April 2021 release of RasPiOS (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-bullseye-update-april-2022/)
Raspberry Pi Pico W at 6 dollars debuts (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-w-your-6-iot-platform/)
September 2022 update (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/the-latest-update-to-raspberry-pi-os/)
Raspberry Pi Camera Module 3 is released (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/new-autofocus-camera-modules/)
Raspberry Pi OS links
Main software web site (https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/)
The Forum (https://forums.raspberrypi.com)
Documentation (https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/)
Daily News (https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/)
Foundation (https://www.raspberrypi.org)
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Next Time - Next Season
We will discuss a couple of topics and some feedback. Our next distros are Debian (https://www.debian.org) and Gentoo (https://www.gentoo.org). We will cover the history of Debian in Season 4 Episode 2 and we will use Gentoo for the entire season, checking on it periodically throughout.
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Coming up in this episode
1. Leo shows his moxy
2. Ubuntu falls flat
3. Watch the browsers
4. A Look back on our season
5. and Leo moves his files
See this episode on Youtube (https://youtu.be/Vbofi3pndm4)
https://youtu.be/Vbofi3pndm4
319 Audio Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
2:03 Proxy Moxie
16:42 Ansible In Your Pantsible
22:56 Ubuntu Falls Flat
41:57 Browser Watch!
1:03:55 Feedback
1:13:49 Season 3 Recap
1:26:17 Community Focus: Geerling Guy
1:28:13 App Focus: TermSCP & Filezilla
1:37:25 Next Time: Raspberry Pi OS
1:39:25 Stinger
Banter
Proxmox (https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve)
Ansible (https://www.ansible.com)
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Flattening out Ubuntu
Ubuntu and the official flavors decide not to include Flatpak by default (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061?u=d0od)
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Total Cookie Protection (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-androids-new-privacy-feature-total-cookie-protection-stops-companies-from-keeping-tabs-on-your-moves/)
Firefox Extension (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/email-protection-just-got-easier-in-firefox/)
Firefox will get support for animated AV1 images and in a surprise move (https://9to5linux.com/firefox-113-promises-support-for-animated-av1-images-official-debian-package-and-more) an official debian/ubuntu package in .deb format.
Edge is testing (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-is-testing-a-built-in-crypto-wallet-in-microsoft-edge/) a Crypto Wallet.
Edge added DALL-E right into the browser (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-edge-can-now-generate-images-with-ai/)!
Brave adds a VPN option (https://brave.com/desktop-vpn/).
Brave removes (https://brave.com/privacy-updates/24-google-sign-in-permission/) legacy Google sign-in Cookies.
Chrome/Chromium will unload background tabs (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/chrome-110-will-automatically-discard-background-tabs-heres-how-to-stop-it/) to save memory.
Falkon is finally getting hardware acceleration (https://www.omglinux.com/falkon-browser-hardware-acceleration/)!
Gnome Web has a few tricks coming (https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/11pav5t/comment/jbww3sb/) in version 44, as well.
Feedback
Senor Araton On compiling the Gentoo Kernel
Installed a distribution-binary-kernel to get a running system.
Leo wants to compile all the things.
John A. On Linux Books
ownCloud (https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/running-linux-5th/0596007604/)
Bradly on the Ubuntu ShipIt Program
Tried to convert as many as possible.
Bonus Bradly
Also - Leo, make the switch to Proxmox. Dan is right.
R.L. on -O3
Just FYI, the compiler option is -O3 (dash oh three), not -03 (dash zero 3) The O obviously stands for Optimize 😅.
Season 3 in review - Pick of the picks
Community Focus - Dan - Veronica Explains (https://vkc.sh)
Community Focus - Leo - Linux Saloon (https://cubiclenate.com/linuxsaloon/)
App Focus - Dan - Crowdsec (https://www.crowdsec.net/)
App Focus - Leo - trash-cli (https://github.com/andreafrancia/trash-cli)
Distro - Dan - CentOS Stream (https://centos.org/)
Distro - Leo - EndlessOS (https://endlessos.com/)
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Community Focus - Geerling Guy
Geerling Guy (https://www.jeffgeerling.com)
Jeff's YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/c/JeffGeerling)
Jeff's GitHub (https://github.com/geerlingguy)
App Focus Filezilla and termscp
Filezilla (https://filezilla-project.org/)
termscp (https://termscp.veeso.dev/)
Next Time
The history of Raspberry Pi OS (https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/), a few thoughts, and whatever else we can cram into the show*
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