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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Ian Gilbertson, CLO Portfolio Manager and Co-Head of U.S. CLOs at Invesco, for a deep dive into the world of Collateralized Loan Obligations (CLOs) and their role in insurance investment portfolios. Ian provides a primer on CLOs, explaining their structure, the types of assets they hold, and why this asset class has shown such resilience and stability.
They discuss the growth of CLOs in insurance company portfolios, their historical performance, and why they continue to attract insurers even amid changing regulatory requirements. Ian also shares his insights on current opportunities in the loan market, the evolving credit cycle, and the outlook for CLOs in 2025, especially in a declining rate environment. Ian brings extensive expertise to the conversation, offering both high-level context and practical insights into the risks and rewards of this asset class for insurers. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley hosts Olaolu Aganga, U.S. Chief Investment Officer at Mercer, and Stephanie Thomas, Senior Investment Consultant at Mercer, to discuss the evolving role of OCIO (Outsourced Chief Investment Officer) services for insurance companies. They explore how Mercer's model uniquely integrates support for clients by combining Marsh McLennan’s insurance expertise with Mercer's deep investment consulting resources. Olaolu and Stephanie clarify how OCIO can function either as a full or partial extension of an insurance company's in-house team, offering a range of services from research support to full discretionary management.
With the growing complexity in private credit, asset-backed finance (ABF), and investment-grade alternatives, Stephanie explains how OCIO services can support insurers in navigating these emerging asset classes, providing an adaptable, client-specific approach. Olaolu highlights the partnership aspect of Mercer’s model, emphasizing that OCIO clients retain control over strategy while benefiting from Mercer's extensive resources and industry insights. -
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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley hosts Armen Panossian, co-CEO and Head of Performing Credit at Oaktree Capital, for a deep dive into insurers' role in alternative investing, especially in private credit. Armen shares insights on the evolving sentiment in today’s markets, where economic fundamentals, regulatory influences, and the effects of recent rate hikes are shaping debt and equity strategies. He details how technical and regulatory shifts, like the implementation of Basel III in the U.S., are creating new avenues for insurers to capitalize on asset-backed finance while banks retreat from specific lending areas. Armen emphasizes that private credit remains a valuable asset class for insurers, especially given the long-term growth and diversification opportunities it provides alongside efficient rating structures.
Looking ahead, Armen sees opportunity in sectors where expertise drives returns, such as specialty finance and asset-backed lending. He also highlights the unique value of rescue lending as more companies face refinancing challenges due to high interest rates. For insurers, he advises considering the distinct advantages of rated feeder note structures to optimize capital efficiency in corporate credit and exploring asset-backed finance for diversification. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley welcomes Brett Hickey, Founder and CEO of Star Mountain Capital, for an engaging look at investment in the U.S. lower middle market. Brett shares his unique journey from a small-town upbringing in Canada to founding a prominent private credit firm. Drawing from his early experiences, Brett discusses how Star Mountain Capital builds on core values of community and collaboration, focusing on lending to smaller, often family-owned businesses with strong fundamentals. He explains the firm’s strategic emphasis on these investments, citing the sector's limited competition and inherent value as an uncorrelated asset class. Brett also highlights the opportunity to add alpha to portfolios through Star Mountain's private credit and secondary offerings. Brett explains why lower middle market companies offer significant upside potential, especially given demographic trends and limited access to traditional financing sources. He describes how Star Mountain’s data-driven risk management processes and community-focused investment approach help mitigate risk while positioning companies for growth and long-term success.
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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley dives into the evolving landscape of real estate finance with Bob Clark, Founding Partner of DW Partners and Chief Investment Officer at Domain Real Estate Partners. The discussion focuses on homebuilder finance, a niche yet critical area within the broader real estate market. Bob shares his journey from a math enthusiast with family ties in the pizza business to becoming a key player in the homebuilding finance industry, explaining how Domain provides crucial funding to homebuilders for land acquisition and development.
Bob elaborates on the unique capital needs of the homebuilding industry, the growing trend of homebuilders moving towards asset-light models, and the role of project finance in facilitating land and land development. The conversation also touches on the impact of mortgage rates, Fed policy, and the complex relationship between affordability and supply in the US housing market. Bob’s insights provide a clear understanding of how insurance companies can become more involved in financing these specialized areas, highlighting opportunities for insurers to capitalize on resilient and well-structured credit investments.
This episode is perfect for anyone interested in the intersection of real estate finance, homebuilding, and insurance capital, offering a thoughtful analysis of the long-term trends shaping the market.
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In this insightful episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley engages in a dynamic discussion with Louis Pelosi, Managing Director of Client Solutions at SLC Management's Global Insurance Group. The conversation centers on Best Practices in Strategic Asset Allocation (SAA) in an Evolving Regulatory Environment. Louis shares his deep experience in navigating the complexities of insurance asset management, shedding light on the importance of aligning asset allocation with the liability profiles, regulatory capital concerns, and risk tolerances unique to each insurer.
The episode delves into how regulatory changes and the growing use of alternatives—such as private assets and structured securities—are shaping insurers' strategies. Louis highlights how liquidity management and understanding the business’s nuances are critical in constructing efficient portfolios for insurers. Whether you're interested in SAA trends, regulatory insights, or how to effectively manage evolving risks, this episode offers a wealth of practical knowledge for insurance investment professionals. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Jake Remley, CFA, senior portfolio manager at Income Research & Management, for a deep dive into the world of structured securities. Jake brings his 20-plus years of experience in securitization to the discussion, explaining complex concepts like "zombie securitizations" and how to identify tail risks in the evolving landscape of asset-backed securities (ABS) and commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS). Jake shares insights on avoiding potential pitfalls in structured credit investments and emphasizes the importance of bottom-up analysis in navigating complex securitizations. With real-life examples like the recent write-down of 1740 Broadway, the episode offers practical guidance for institutional investors aiming to understand securitized debt structures and optimize risk-adjusted returns. For those keen on fixed income, this episode sheds light on the nuances of structured credit and its implications for portfolio management.
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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Alfred Chang, Head of Residential Loan Trading at MetLife Investment Management, about the growing role of residential whole loans in insurance portfolios. As a repeat guest, Alfred shares valuable insights into why this asset class is gaining traction, particularly for life insurers seeking capital efficiency and risk-adjusted returns. He compares the benefits of investing in residential whole loans versus public RMBS, highlighting how the private market offers unique opportunities through better control and transparency. Alfred also explains how a lack of housing supply and improved credit quality have made today’s market very different from the housing crash of 2008.
Drawing on more than 10 years of experience in residential credit, Alfred discusses MetLife Investment Management’s approach to mitigating risk through careful loan selection, strong counterparty relationships, and thorough due diligence. He also delves into the operational complexities of managing large volumes of individual loans and how MIM works closely with clients to address the reporting, accounting, and liquidity challenges of this asset class. If you’re interested in how residential whole loans can fit into an insurance company’s broader investment strategy, this episode is a must-listen. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, welcomes Jessica Bailey, President and CEO of Nuveen Green Capital, and Laura Parrott, Senior Managing Director and Head of Private Fixed Income at Nuveen. Together, they explore the intricacies of Commercial Property Assessed Clean Energy (C-PACE) financing, a rising asset class that offers insurance investors both strong returns and a chance to positively impact climate change. Stewart, Jessica, and Laura break down how C-PACE can be used to finance energy-efficient building projects, blending public policy with private investment to drive real change in the built environment.
Listeners will hear about Jessica and Laura’s personal career paths, the growth of C-PACE, and why it’s become an attractive option for institutional investors, especially those in insurance. From policy challenges to the role of private capital in scaling this green initiative, this episode provides valuable insights for anyone looking to balance financial goals with responsible investing. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Adriano Taylor Escribano, Principal Senior Quantitative Analyst at Jennison, for a compelling discussion on the role of commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS) in insurance company portfolios. Adriano shares his fascinating career journey, starting with his early days working in a college kitchen to his expertise today in structured products. He walks listeners through the complex landscape of agency and non-agency CMBS, highlighting their importance in commercial real estate (CRE) lending and their strategic place in insurance portfolios.
The conversation explores key aspects of CMBS, including the differences between Freddie K, DUS, and Ginnie Mae project loans, and the impact of interest rate volatility on the market. Adriano provides expert insight into the current trends in CMBS, including the shift from 10-year to 5-year conduit issuances, and discusses how the Fed’s recent rate decisions could affect the market moving forward. This episode is a must-listen for insurance investment professionals looking to deepen their understanding of CMBS and its evolving role in portfolio construction. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley talks with Grady Frank, Partner and Head of Private Credit Origination at GoldenTree Asset Management, about the evolving landscape of private credit. Grady delves into how GoldenTree approaches the upper end of private credit markets, focusing on large borrowers and navigating complex refinancing solutions. He discusses key opportunities in dividend recaps, M&A activity, and private credit's role in financing large transactions, while also sharing insights on maintaining discipline in credit underwriting amidst a challenging economic environment. Grady provides an inside look at the state of the private credit market, its growing importance for economic stability, and how firms like GoldenTree balance flexibility with a commitment to strong returns. The conversation covers how private credit has evolved, fund size implications, and the potential for M&A resurgence, making this episode essential for insurance investors looking to understand this rapidly growing asset class.
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In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley sits down with Jason Walker, Co-Chief Investment Officer at Manulife CQS, as part of the CIO Spotlight series. Jason shares his insights into current market conditions, focusing on the importance of downside protection and the opportunities created by market dislocations. He emphasizes how sentiment, liquidity, and new variables are reshaping markets, offering opportunities for savvy investors. Jason also discusses the impact of higher rates on credit markets, structured credit, and how his team at Manulife CQS navigates uncertainty with a disciplined, bottom-up approach.
The conversation dives into significant risk transfer (SRT) markets, U.S. commercial real estate, and the role of flexibility in portfolio construction. Jason explains how experience and strategic risk-taking are key to capturing returns in today's markets. With a thoughtful discussion on political risk and opportunities in structured credit, this episode is packed with insights from a seasoned CIO leading through complex market conditions. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Sid Dahiya, Head of Emerging Market Corporate Debt at Aberdeen, to discuss the evolving landscape of emerging market debt and the extension strategies that can unlock value for insurance investors. Sid provides an in-depth analysis of the size and characteristics of the EM corporate debt market, comparing it to other asset classes such as U.S. high yield. He also explains how Aberdeen’s proprietary tools and bottom-up investment approach can help manage risk in this complex asset class. Sid offers insights into the unique opportunities in emerging markets, including the impact of political risks and how global trends like de-globalization are shaping investment opportunities.
Sid also delves into specific extension strategies, including buy-and-hold approaches, crossover investments, and thematic strategies designed to capitalize on long-term trends. He highlights how insurance investors can strategically diversify their portfolios while balancing risk and return, particularly in the underappreciated areas of EM corporate debt. If you’re looking to expand your understanding of EM debt and its role in insurance asset management, this is a must-listen episode. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, Stewart Foley is joined by Michael Zorich, Managing Director and Head of Investment Grade (IG) Private Credit at Principal Asset Management, for an in-depth discussion on the growing relevance of investment grade private credit in today’s market. Michael shares his expertise on how IG private credit offers investors a combination of relative value, covenants, better recoveries, and diversification, making it an attractive asset class for insurance companies and institutional investors. He explains how current economic conditions, particularly rising interest rates, have led to increased attention on the sector, especially as investors seek risk-adjusted returns in less volatile spaces compared to other areas like direct lending.
Michael also discusses the evolution of private credit markets, the role of club deals, and the various sectors, such as infrastructure and real estate, that present opportunities and risks. As an experienced leader at Principal, he highlights the firm’s 50-year history in private placements, their focus on infrastructure investments, and the extensive customizations they offer to meet client needs. This episode provides valuable insights into how insurance investors can uncover value in IG private credit while navigating today’s complex economic landscape. -
In this insightful episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, Stewart Foley sits down with Andy Blocker, Global Head of Public Policy and Strategic Partnerships at Invesco, to dissect the key political developments shaping the U.S. election. They explore the unprecedented shifts in the political landscape, including the impact of Biden's decision to step aside, Kamala Harris's rise, and the ripple effects of Trump’s ongoing legal battles. Andy provides a thorough analysis of the "path to victory" for both Harris and Trump, offering listeners a unique perspective on how each candidate’s approach to messaging, demographics, and policy could define the outcome of the 2024 election.
As the conversation deepens, Andy shares his thoughts on critical topics like the abortion debate, fiscal policy, and the implications of regulatory agendas, particularly for the financial services industry. He also touches on the growing influence of U.S.-China relations and ESG considerations in the election's aftermath. This episode offers a comprehensive overview of the potential market and investment impacts tied to the election, making it an essential listen for insurance investors who need to stay informed on the political and economic factors driving the future of their portfolios. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Paul Benson, Head of Systematic Fixed Income at Insight Investment, to dive deep into systematic fixed income and its growing relevance in today’s investment landscape. Paul discusses the evolution of systematic strategies since Insight’s early adoption in 2001, focusing on key innovations such as credit portfolio trading and enhanced liquidity in the high-yield markets. He also touches on the growing role of ETFs and how they integrate with insurance companies' portfolio needs.
The conversation further explores the customization potential of systematic strategies to fit the unique constraints insurance companies face, such as capital charges, duration, and rating bucket optimization. Paul shares insights on how rising rates have reshaped the private credit and high-yield landscape, and why high-yield bonds are becoming increasingly attractive for income-focused insurance portfolios. This episode provides valuable lessons for insurance investment professionals interested in integrating systematic fixed income into their strategic asset allocation. -
Stifflear, Portfolio Manager and Head of Investment Grade Private Credit at PPM. Luke brings over 30 years of experience at PPM, providing deep insights into the world of investment grade private credit. He explains how this asset class, typically dominated by insurance companies, differs from the more commonly discussed high-yield private credit. Luke sheds light on the benefits of investment grade private credit, including enhanced covenant protection, better spread premiums, and diversification opportunities that make it a compelling alternative to public bonds. He also discusses the evolution of this market, particularly in the context of bank pullbacks and the growing interest from institutional investors.
The conversation further explores the state of market liquidity, deal flow dynamics, and how PPM's long-standing presence in the industry offers unique advantages in accessing off-the-run tenors and securing favorable deals. Luke also shares his views on the importance of relative value decisions between public and private markets, emphasizing how consistent capital deployment and strong market relationships have helped PPM maintain a competitive edge. This episode is packed with valuable takeaways for anyone interested in the strategic aspects of investment grade private credit and its role in diversified portfolios. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley sits down with Aaron Sack, Head of Morgan Stanley Capital Partners, for an in-depth conversation about the world of private equity. Aaron shares his journey from a liberal arts background to leading one of the most respected private equity teams at Morgan Stanley. The discussion covers Aaron's early experiences, the evolution of private equity, and the unique aspects of middle-market buyout strategies. Aaron provides insights into how private equity has grown from a niche industry into a major force in global finance, and he reflects on the lessons learned from the 2008 financial crisis, which continue to shape his investment approach today.
The conversation also explores the importance of team building and culture in private equity, emphasizing the need for alignment, respect, and shared values in a successful investment team. Aaron's approach to leadership and his perspective on the value of liberal arts in finance offer a unique and refreshing take on what it means to succeed in the private equity space. This episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone interested in the inner workings of private equity and the future of this dynamic asset class. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, Stewart Foley, CFA, explores the growing demand and opportunities within the infrastructure debt market with two key experts from Brookfield Asset Management: Hadley Peer Marshall, Managing Director, Co-Head of Infrastructure Debt and Structured Solutions Strategies, and CFO, and Eric Wittleder, Managing Director of Infrastructure. The discussion delves into the major trends driving the infrastructure sector, particularly the significant capital required for global transition initiatives such as net-zero carbon emissions, and how these trends present unique opportunities for institutional investors like insurance companies.
Hadley and Eric also highlight the characteristics of an optimized infrastructure debt portfolio, emphasizing the essential, non-cyclical nature of the assets and their ability to provide material downside protection. They share insights on how Brookfield aligns its infrastructure investments with sustainability goals without compromising on returns, and discuss the impact of regulatory changes on the market. This episode offers valuable perspectives on how insurers can effectively leverage infrastructure debt within their portfolios while contributing to environmental sustainability. -
In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley dives into the future of private credit with Ashwin Krishnan, Managing Director, Co-Head of North American Private Credit, and Head of Opportunistic Credit, and Jeff Levin, Managing Director, Portfolio Manager, and Head of Direct Lending, both at Morgan Stanley Investment Management. They explore the evolution of private credit and its growing relevance in today's financial landscape, particularly for insurance investors. Ashwin and Jeff discuss the parallels between the current state of private credit and the rise of private equity 25 years ago, highlighting how the asset class has moved from niche to mainstream. They emphasize the importance of flexibility in capital solutions and the ability to navigate various points across the capital structure to generate the best risk-adjusted returns. The discussion also touches on the impact of rising interest rates on leverage ratios and how Morgan Stanley Investment Management's approach sets them apart from competitors. By leveraging the firm's vast resources and global reach, they are able to provide unique capital solutions that cater to the needs of private issuers across North America. Whether it's accessing a broader deal flow or offering value-added services like M&A advice, their platform is designed to deliver comprehensive solutions to clients. The conversation wraps up with insights into the scalability of private credit and the importance of a long-term investment perspective in this ever-evolving market.
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