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This conversation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025.
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Sarah Wells - Independent Consultant & Author of "Enabling Microservice Success"
Patrick Kua - Founder of the Tech Lead Academy
Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates
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Sarah
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Patrick
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Daniel
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/tastapod
https://github.com/tastapod
https://mastodon.social/@tastapod
http://dannorth.net/blog
DESCRIPTION
Engineering leadership becomes significantly more complex in times of uncertainty. This conversation highlights how leaders must shift from rigid plans to adaptable thinking—balancing delivery, team well-being, and long-term direction while navigating constant change.
A key takeaway is that great leadership isn’t about having all the answers, but about creating clarity, trust, and resilience within teams. The speakers emphasize communication, context-awareness, and empowering engineers as the foundation for thriving—even when everything feels unstable.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Sarah Wells • Enabling Microservice Success • https://amzn.to/4aa8xrv
Patrick Kua • Talking with Tech Leads • https://amzn.to/3ECO3xB
Patrick Kua • The Retrospective Handbook • https://amzn.to/4jpxxQN
Neal Ford, Rebecca Parsons & Patrick Kua • Building Evolutionary Architectures • https://amzn.to/42qXJV2
Mary Lynn Manns & Linda Rising • Fearless Change • https://amzn.to/49uuune
Mary Lynn Manns & Linda Rising • More Fearless Change • https://amzn.to/4tX6GARBluesky
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A N M Bazlur Rahman - Java Champion & Author of "Modern Concurrency in Java"
Michael Redlich - Java Champion & Lead Java Queue News Editor at InfoQ
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/episodes/443
RESOURCES
Bazlur
https://bsky.app/profile/bazlur.ca
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https://github.com/rokon12
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https://bio.site/bazlur
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Michael
https://twitter.com/mpredli
https://github.com/mpredli01
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-redlich-13a966
https://about.me/mpredli
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO Book Club episode, Java Champion A N M Bazlur Rahman joins host and fellow Java Champion Michael Redlich to discuss Modern Concurrency in Java — the first comprehensive update to Java concurrency literature in 20 years. Bazlur traces his motivation to the arrival of virtual threads in JDK 21, which he describes as a fundamental shift in Java's concurrency cost model: platform threads were expensive and scarce, demanding careful pooling; virtual threads are cheap, plentiful, and behave like ordinary threads from the developer's perspective, without requiring a new programming model. The book covers this evolution end-to-end, from the history of threads through to structured concurrency, scope values, and the modern frameworks that have already adopted virtual threads — most with a single config change.
The conversation also takes a nuanced look at reactive programming's future. Bazlur's conclusion is that reactive remains compelling in specific contexts — event-driven streaming systems, architectures needing end-to-end back-pressure — but it's no longer the default answer to scalability. For most microservices doing blocking I/O, virtual threads are now the stronger default, and reactive becomes a deliberate architectural choice rather than an automatic one. The book's goal is to give developers both the conceptual grounding and the practical guidance to make that choice confidently — understanding the tool one level deep, so they can design better systems, not just configure their way through a framework.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
A N M Bazlur Rahman • Modern Concurrency in Java • https://amzn.to/42w8cOk
Ben Evans & Jim Gough • Optimizing Cloud Native Java • https://amzn.to/41nivD9
Ben Evans, Jason Clark & David Flanagan • Java in a Nutshell • https://amzn.to/43FDoMA
Ian F. Darwin • Java Cookbook 5th ed. • https://amzn.to/3QH0NZy
Victor Grazi & Jeanne Boyarsky • Real-World Java • https://amzn.to/4oCEeBRBluesky
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Richard Feldman - Software Engineer at Zed Industries & Author of "Elm in Action"
Anjana Vakil - Freelance Software Engineer & Developer Educator
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/442
RESOURCES
Richard
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https://github.com/rtfeldman
Anjana
https://bsky.app/profile/anjana.dev
https://github.com/vakila
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anjanavakil
https://anjana.dev
Links
https://zed.dev
https://adventofcode.com
https://www.roc-lang.org
DESCRIPTION
Richard Feldman and Anjana Vakil trace the Roc programming language's ambitious ground-up compiler rewrite — from Rust to Zig — which happened to coincide almost exactly with the year AI coding assistants went from useful to transformative. Richard describes how AI's role shifted over just 12 months: from mechanical test-porting grunt work, where it was reliable but limited, to genuine architectural collaboration on harder problems. The key insight is that guardrails don't live in prompts ("never do this" gets ignored constantly), they live in the code itself — invariants and automated feedback loops that catch the AI when it strays, rather than instructions it will cheerfully disregard.
The conversation widens into what the AI era means for software quality and trust. Both are wary of the coming wave of AI-generated "slop" — buggy, mediocre software produced at scale — but Richard makes the counterintuitive case that competitive pressure might actually force quality up: if everything is slop, the products that aren't will stand out hard. Anjana draws a parallel to consumer electronics brand trust: just like we pay a premium for the USB-C cable we know won't cause a fire, developers and users will increasingly gravitate toward names and communities they can vouch for. The open source contribution model, they agree, needs new systems to navigate this — and Roc v1, due before the end of 2026, will be a test case.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Richard Feldman • Elm in Action • https://amzn.to/387kujI
Dean Bocker • Don't Panic! I'm A Professional Zig Programmer • https://amzn.to/3ljKT8d
Tim McNamara • Rust in Action • https://amzn.to/3ux2R9u
David Drysdal • Effective Rust • https://amzn.to/4dAjbdX
Eric Normand • Grokking Simplicity • https://amzn.to/3gz7o3CBluesky
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Martin Fowler - Pioneer of Various Topics around Object-Oriented Technology & Agile Methods
Kent Beck - Software Engineer & Creator of Extreme Programming
RESOURCES
Martin
https://x.com/martinfowler
https://www.martinfowler.com
https://toot.thoughtworks.com/@mfowler
https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-fowler-com
Kent
https://bsky.app/profile/kentbeck.bsky.social
https://www.kentbeck.com
https://github.com/KentBeck
https://twitter.com/KentBeck
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https://tidyfirst.substack.com/about
DESCRIPTION
Martin Fowler and Kent Beck — two of the authors of the Agile Manifesto and perhaps the most influential duo in software engineering history — reunite for an unscripted conversation spanning thirty years of friendship, craft, and the relentless pace of change. They discuss how AI ("the Genie") has become a genuine part of both their workflows: Kent uses it as an endlessly patient tutor for exploration between features, while Martin distinguishes between AI as a tool for talking to computers versus the irreplaceable human skill of talking to the people who need software built. Both are optimistic about the future, though Kent's optimism takes characteristically sharp form: he expects the industry to keep making the same mistakes, which means he'll still be employed teaching the same lessons 20 years from now.
The conversation also revisits the Agile Manifesto at nearly 25 years old, with both reflecting on what Extreme Programming got right — feedback loops, testability, evolutionary design — and what the broader adoption missed or diluted. Martin is candid that progress in software has been slower than he'd like, though he points to a "forest" of practitioners who have genuinely advanced the craft. On the question of a Manifesto reunion, both gently redirect: it belongs to the next generation now. Their closing advice to a junior developer in the audience is perhaps the most memorable exchange in the whole session — use the gaps between features to learn, and never forget that understanding the domain and the people in it is ultimately what separates good programmers from great ones.
Read the full abstract here:
https://gotocph.com/2025/sessions/3780
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Martin Fowler • Refactoring • https://amzn.to/3EVcHXQ
Martin Fowler & Pramod Sadalage • NoSQL Distilled • https://amzn.to/3ChIpu7
Martin Fowler • Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture • https://amzn.to/3lp4sIq
Martin Fowler • Domain-Specific Languages • https://amzn.to/3nzOIFk
Martin Fowler • UML Distilled • https://amzn.to/3kahjyA
Kent Beck • Tidy First? • https://amzn.to/4gscjjK
Kent Beck & Cynthia Andres • Extreme Programming Explained • https://amzn.to/3sBASDG
Kent Beck • Test Driven Development • https://amzn.to/3U4AXLs
Kent Beck, Fowler, John, William, Don & Gamma • Refactoring • https://amzn.to/3SFBYbN
Kent Beck • Implementation Patterns • https://amzn.to/3sBlCGLBluesky
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Daniel Terhorst-North - Originator of Behavior Driven Development (BDD) & Principal at Dan North & Associates
Gojko Adzic - Software Delivery Consultant & Author of "Lizard Optimization" and many more Books
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/441
RESOURCES
Daniel
https://bsky.app/profile/tastapod.com
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tastapod
https://github.com/tastapod
https://mastodon.social/@tastapod
http://dannorth.net/blog
Gojko
https://www.linkedin.com/in/gojko
https://github.com/gojko
https://twitter.com/gojkoadzic
https://gojko.net
DESCRIPTION
Gojko Adzic and Daniel Terhorst-North tackle the question every software team is wrestling with right now: does AI-assisted development actually work, and if so, how?
Their verdict is nuanced. One-shot "spec-to-product" approaches are doomed — both compare them to CASE tools and model-driven architecture of past decades, great for selling to enterprise buyers, disappointing in practice. What does work is tight, iterative feedback loops where AI handles the more deterministic, structural parts of the job while humans retain ownership of domain knowledge, semantic correctness, and architectural judgment.
The most practically useful thread of the conversation is Gojko's insight on guardrails: instead of relying on markdown files and hoping your AI agent stays in line, encode your rules as real, automated linting checks — ones that run in CI, apply to humans and bots alike, and include actionable error messages.
Daniel adds a complementary observation: AI shines brightest not on core domain code, but on the "quality of life" tasks that never quite make it to the backlog. Their shared conclusion is that the teams winning with AI right now are the ones treating published frameworks as starting templates to rapidly adapt — not gospel to follow blindly.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Gojko Adzic • Lizard Optimization • https://leanpub.com/lizardoptimization
Gojko Adzic • Impact Mapping • https://amzn.to/3dQFCOq
Adzic, Evans & Roden • Fifty Quick Ideas To Improve Your Tests • https://amzn.to/3yuDaoL
Adzic, Evans & Korac • Fifty Quick Ideas to Improve Your User Stories • https://amzn.to/3jQ4QjP
Adzic & Korac • Humans vs Computers • https://amzn.to/2Utz55A
Gojko Adzic • Specification by Example • https://amzn.to/3hHrEjb
Eliyahu M. Goldratt • Beyond the Goal • https://amzn.to/3wDbAL1
Kent Beck, Fowler, John, William, Don & Gamma • Refactoring • https://amzn.to/3SFBYbNBluesky
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This Q&A session was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025.
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Ken Hughes - The King of Customer Experience
Keynote available here: https://youtu.be/tHf-BFM2CNM
RESOURCES
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DESCRIPTION
In this extended Q&A following his GOTO Copenhagen 2025 keynote, Ken Hughes — "The King of Customer Experience" — tackles the questions every business avoids asking honestly. He argues that employee experience always comes first: you cannot ask people to deliver extraordinary customer moments unless they themselves feel seen, empowered, and purposeful at work. On ROI, he challenges the entire premise, proposing a shift from "Return on Investment" to "Desire to Invest" — because measuring caring with a ledger is the behavior of, as he puts it, a toxic psychopath. The real unlock, he insists, is placing the user genuinely at the centre — not as a metric, but as a human being who deserves to feel like the only person in the room.
The conversation turns to AI's role in making this scalable, and here Hughes lands his most forward-looking point: the era of having to choose between serving the masses and making an individual feel special is ending. AI will enable what he calls "scaled personalization" — the ability to make every customer their own blue dot simultaneously, the way a personalized Minecraft lesson teaches area and perimeter to an 8-year-old who wasn't getting it in a classroom. The session closes with a striking reminder: the brands people remember aren't the ones with the slickest products — they're the ones that made them feel genuinely seen. A nurse. A fishing magazine. Five dollars. That's the bar.
Read the full abstract here:
https://gotocph.com/2025/sessions/3778
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Ken Hughes • Taylormaking • https://amzn.to/3WOEgd9
Robert Waldinger & Marc Schulz • The Good Life • https://amzn.to/4orelUSBluesky
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This interview was recorded for GOTO State of the Art in March 2026.
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Ben Evans - Senior Principal SW Engineer at Red Hat & Co-Author of "Optimizing Cloud Native Java" & many more Books
Read the full transcription of this interview here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/439
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Ben
https://mastodon.social/@kittylyst
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Links
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https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2025/06/18/language-rankings-1-25
https://www.stepsecurity.io/blog/hackerbot-claw-github-actions-exploitation
https://stripe.dev/blog/minions-stripes-one-shot-end-to-end-coding-agents
https://openjdk.org/jeps/8305968
https://openjdk.org/jeps/353
https://openjdk.org/jeps/416
https://developer.ibm.com/articles/j-ffm
https://openjdk.org/jeps/8350458
https://openjdk.org/jeps/8303099
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO State of the Art, Java Champion & Red Hat Senior Principal SW Engineer Ben Evans delivers a sweeping, data-driven audit of Java's health in 2026 — and the picture is far healthier than the tech press would have you believe. Server-side Java workloads have roughly doubled in the last 7 years, developer wages are stable (unlike JavaScript, which is heading south), Java has been in the top 4 programming languages for 12 consecutive years, and the entire cloud-native infrastructure stack — Kafka, Cassandra, Spark, OpenTelemetry, Keycloak — runs on it. The real insight is mathematical: explosive growth of a small language base is still dwarfed by modest growth of Java's enormous installed base. Java isn't dying; it's just not shiny enough to get clicks.
The meat of the talk is a masterclass in Java's architecture and roadmap. Ben unpacks the fundamental tension between dynamism (the JVM's Lisp-and-Smalltalk-heritage runtime) and integrity (modern security demands that restrict unchecked internal API access), before walking through the near and far future: Project Valhalla's value types (the most fundamental change to Java ever — bigger than generics or lambdas), the Vector API waiting on Valhalla to land, nullability markers, ahead-of-time compilation, and beyond that, type classes and Project Babylon.
His honest take on AI tooling is sharp: great for greenfield, genuinely poor at architectural reasoning and version-specific code, and only a real productivity multiplier for teams who already have solid engineering practices. Oh, and it's a wolf in sheep's clothing — the JVM's dynamism makes it way closer to Lisp than to C++, and Java's philosophy of "boring done right" turns out to be an excellent foundation for AI-era enterprise software.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Ben Evans & Jim Gough • Optimizing Cloud Native Java • https://amzn.to/41nivD9
Ben Evans, Jason Clark & David Flanagan • Java in a Nutshell • https://amzn.to/43FDoMABluesky
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Ekaterina Gorshkova - Apache Kafka Engineer at SOFTEC & Author of "Kafka for Architects"
Viktor Gamov - Principal Developer Advocate at Confluent & Co-Author of "Kafka in Action"
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/episodes/440
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Ekaterina
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https://medium.com/@katyagorshkova
Viktor
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https://gamov.io
Links
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https://current.confluent.io/london
DESCRIPTION
Apache Kafka has evolved far beyond a simple message broker — it has become a foundational layer for modern enterprise software. In this GOTO Book Club episode, Ekaterina Gorshkova, author of "Kafka for Architects", shares how her decade-long journey with Kafka — starting in a Czech bank's integration team in 2015 — shaped her understanding of what it really takes to design Kafka-based systems at scale. The conversation covers core architectural decisions, real-world patterns for enterprise integration, the role of Kafka Streams, and how to avoid the classic pitfalls of building systems that "only three engineers understand".
The episode also looks forward: Ekaterina and host Viktor Gamov explore how Kafka is increasingly becoming the connective tissue for AI-driven systems, acting as an orchestration layer between intelligent agents, real-time data, and business workflows. Her book's central argument is that while AI and tooling change fast, the fundamental knowledge of how to design robust, event-driven systems is durable and career-proof. Kafka for Architects is framed not just as a technical manual, but as a roadmap for architects who want to get Kafka right from day one — requirements, design, testing, and all.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Ekaterina Gorshkova • Kafka for Architects • https://amzn.to/42mDarU
Dylan Scott, Viktor Gamov & Dave Klein • Kafka in Action • https://amzn.to/4vJ3Kcj
Viktor Gamov, Tartakovsky, Rasputnis & Fain • Enterprise Web Development • https://amzn.to/3CezL0R
Shapira, Palino, Sivaram & Petty • Kafka: The Definitive Guide • https://amzn.to/3RPtdLP
Bill Bejeck • Kafka Streams in Action • https://amzn.to/3CGJiiMBluesky
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Sam Aaron - Live Coding Musician & Creator of Sonic Pi
James Lewis - Principal Consultant & Technical Director at Thoughtworks
RESOURCES
Sam
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https://bsky.app/profile/samaaron.bsky.social
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https://github.com/samaaron
https://linkedin.com/in/samaaron
James
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https://linkedin.com/in/james-lewis-microservices
Links
https://sonic-pi.net
https://twitter.com/sonic_pi
https://github.com/sonic-pi-net/sonic-pi
https://www.ableton.com/en/link
https://hydra.ojack.xyz
DESCRIPTION
Programming isn't just lines of code, it's a gateway to creating music & art. Legends such as Ada Lovelace are proof of that. With the aim to reshape the perception of coding which has traditionally been complex and intimidating, Sam Aaron created Sonic Pi, an open-source, free-to-use platform that empowers users to create music through code.
What began as a humble endeavor has grown exponentially with more than millions of downloads globally and a large number of schools integrating the tool as part of their computing curriculum to teach children how to program.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Sam Aaron & Russell Barnes • Code Music with Sonic Pi • https://amzn.to/4hBRYtC
Hans Gruendel • Making Music with Sonic Pi • https://amzn.to/3oVxGV7
Hans Gruendel • Learn to Program with Sonic PI • https://amzn.to/3qCrLEO
Simon Monk • Raspberry Pi Cookbook • https://amzn.to/43AGPRX
Matthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQ
Forsgren, Humble & Kim • Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps • https://amzn.to/3tCz1xOBluesky
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Will McGugan - Creator of Toad & the Python Packages, Rich, Textual & PyFilesystem
Olimpiu Pop - Technologist & Tech Journalist
ORIGINAL TALK TITLE
The Python Dev Who Built Rich, Textual & now Toad Just Redesigned How You Talk to AI
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/437
RESOURCES
Will
https://mastodon.social/@willmcgugan
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https://bsky.app/profile/willmcgugan.bsky.social
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Olimpiu
https://x.com/olimpiupop
https://github.com/zroll
https://www.linkedin.com/in/olimpiupop
Links
https://www.textualize.io
https://www.batrachian.ai
https://github.com/textualize/rich
https://github.com/Textualize/textual
https://zed.dev
https://willmcgugan.github.io/toad-released
https://willmcgugan.github.io/announcing-toad
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO Unscripted episode, Olimpiu Pop sits down with Will McGugan — Python PSF Fellow and creator of Rich (4+ billion downloads) and Textual — to demo his sabbatical project: Toad, a slick terminal-based universal frontend for AI coding agents.
Will's frustration was simple and justified: every major AI coding tool (Claude Code, Gemini, Codex) was built on top-tier models but wrapped in a UI that looked like it was designed in 2004. Toad fixes that by using the Agent Client Protocol (ACP) as a standardized plug-in layer, giving users elegant prompt editing, proper streaming markdown rendering, beautiful tables, syntax highlighting, and a hybrid shell-plus-AI interface — all in the terminal, where developers already live.
The conversation gets sharply honest when the topic turns to AI and developer craft. Will — a 30-year coding veteran who admits it's not instinctive for him to reach for AI — shares a clear-eyed view of its strengths and limits: AI is extraordinarily fast at anything well-defined and unambiguous, but still struggles with genuinely novel problems.
His conclusion?
Most of what software developers do day-to-day isn't actually novel — it's pattern assembly — and that's precisely where AI shines. The future of coding isn't replacement; it's liberation from the mechanical grind. Oh, and the podcast host literally reading out "music intro here" because stage directions ended up in the transcript? That one's a cautionary tale for the ages.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Will McGugan • Beginning Python Games Development 2nd ed. • https://amzn.to/4ebBfxu
Will McGugan • Beginning Game Development with Python and Pygame • https://amzn.to/4cyVdB3
Sam Keen • Clean Architecture with Python • https://amzn.to/4pBT5g0
Eric Evans • Domain-Driven Design • https://amzn.to/3tnGhwm
Naomi Ceder • The Quick Python Book • https://amzn.to/3zwdDOaBluesky
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Ian F. Darwin - Java, Android & Unix Developer, Trainer, Mentor & Author of "Java Cookbook"
Jeanne Boyarsky - Oracle Java Champion, Co-Author of "Real-World Java" & "OCP 21 Java Cert Book"
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/episodes/438
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Ian
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https://sites.google.com/view/jeanneboyarsky
https://www.selikoff.net
Links
https://javacookbook.org
https://dev.java/community/jcs
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO Book Club, Java Champion Jeanne Boyarsky interviews Ian F. Darwin — author of one of Java's most enduring reference books, Java Cookbook, now in its fifth edition covering up to Java 25. The conversation traces Ian's extraordinary journey: from writing Java's first commercial training course outside of Sun Microsystems, to meeting Tim O'Reilly at a Unix conference and handing him a chapter on lint, to delivering a class in Houston where the entire room had just been laid off and were using the course as their golden handshake into a new career. Ian talks about the philosophy behind the book — culling a peak 900-page beast down to a tight 600 pages, anchoring tool choices on proven, battle-tested picks like JUnit, Mockito, and logging — and shares his three favourite chapters: Regular Expressions, Object-Oriented Techniques, and Reflection.
The conversation gets sharply honest about AI and the future of the industry. Ian — who uses Claude as his coding assistant and does vibe code — warns that his greatest fear isn't AI taking over the world, but something subtler and more dangerous: companies stopping junior hires because AI can do the work, leaving no one to grow into the deep expertise that retires with the current generation. The parallel risk for books is equally candid: AI was trained on older editions, so the fifth edition is genuinely new and un-scraped territory.
His advice for anyone who has learned the basics of Java?
Don't ask an AI — buy the cookbook, save yourself years of trial and error, and for goodness' sake, read the code before you deploy it. "It's like building an airplane and putting passengers on it without flight testing."
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Ian F. Darwin • Java Cookbook 5th ed. • https://amzn.to/3QH0NZy
Ian F. Darwin • Java Cookbook 1st ed. • https://amzn.to/4sUpPlL
Ian F. Darwin • Checking C Programs with Lint • https://amzn.to/3Q2C69Y
Victor Grazi & Jeanne Boyarsky • Real-World Java • https://amzn.to/4oCEeBR
Jeanne Boyarsky & Scott Selikoff • OCP 21 Java Cert Book • https://amzn.to/4lF8OICBluesky
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Marcin Grzejszczak - Software Engineer at HeroDevs & Java Champion
Jakub Pilimon - Software Architect at jPilo & Software Consultant at Bottega IT Minds
ORIGINAL TALK TITLE
The Typo That Broke Production — And Accidentally Created Spring Cloud Contract
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/435
RESOURCES
Marcin
https://bsky.app/profile/toomuchcoding.com
https://mastodon.social/@[email protected]
https://twitter.com/MGrzejszczak
https://github.com/marcingrzejszczak
https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcin-grzejszczak-15565119
https://toomuchcoding.com
Jakub
https://twitter.com/JakubPilimon
https://github.com/pilloPl
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakub-pilimon-449b7984
http://pillopl.github.io
Links
https://toomuchcoding.com/post
https://martinfowler.com/articles/consumerDrivenContracts.html
https://www.tomakehurst.com
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO Unscripted episode, Jakub Pilimon sits down with Marcin Grzejszczak — Java Champion, Spring Cloud Contract contributor, author, mentor, and founder of a rural housewives' circle (yes, really) — to trace a 15+ year career that went from C++ on the Côte d'Azur to becoming one of the key architects of Spring Cloud Contract and the Micrometer Observation API. Marcin shares how real production pain — a junior dev fixing a typo in an API that silently broke every client — gave birth to what would become Spring Cloud Contract, and how he's never shy about calling out his own embarrassing code (complete with a Javadoc that opens with "I'm sorry").
The conversation pivots sharply into 2025 territory, with Marcin sketching out an AI-powered future for contract testing: instead of manually writing contracts (which developers routinely abandon), capture live production traffic, let AI generate the contracts, and let humans do what they're actually good at — reviewing and approving. Wrapping up with observability, Marcin argues the most underrated pillar isn't logs, metrics, or traces — it's context. Without knowing why something happened (a deployment, a business event), raw telemetry data is just noise. Practical, honest, and occasionally self-deprecating: a thoroughly human conversation in the age of AI.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Marcin Grzejszczak • Mockito Cookbook • https://amzn.to/4rXOrtf
Marcin Grzejszczak • Instant Mockito • https://amzn.to/4lV2ePQ
Sam Newman • Building Microservices • https://amzn.to/3dMPbOs
Sam Newman • Monolith to Microservices • https://amzn.to/2Nml96E
Roy Osherove • The Art of Unit Testing • https://bit.ly/3obiKNB
Charity Majors, Liz Fong-Jones & George Miranda • Observability Engineering • https://amzn.to/38scbmaBluesky
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Lukasz Dynowski - Independent Consultant & Co-Author of "Learning API Styles"
Sam Newman - Author of "Building Microservices" & "Monolith to Microservices"
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/episodes/436
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Lukasz
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Sam
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http://samnewman.io
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https://learningapistyles.com
https://github.com/ldynia/learning-api-styles
https://nordicapis.com/the-bezos-api-mandate-amazons-manifesto-for-externalization
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/1176617.1176622
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO Book Club episode, Sam Newman — author of "Building Microservices" — sits down with Lukasz Dynowski, co-author of "Learning API Styles", for a refreshingly low-level deep dive into a subject most developers think they already understand. The book deliberately starts from the network layer up — transmission modes, TCP, protocol stacks — rather than jumping straight to REST and GraphQL, because, as Lukasz explains, most API problems only become visible when you understand the substrate beneath them. The conversation covers the full spectrum: public vs internal APIs, the Bezos API Mandate moment, why treating your API as a product is non-negotiable, and why the choice between binary and textual protocols is never as obvious as performance benchmarks suggest.
The real gold comes in two moments. First, Lukasz lays out a crisp checklist for what makes a good API — audience-awareness, maintainability, efficiency, intuitiveness, resilience, security, testability, and documentation that actually matches behavior. Second, Sam shares a war story about a credit derivative system where the only way to figure out who was accessing the database was to turn off the credentials and wait for angry phone calls.
The lesson: context shapes every trade-off, there's no universal right answer between REST, gRPC, WebSockets, or messaging, and the best API decision is the one that fits your situation — not the one that fits the conference talk.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Lukasz Dynowski • Learning API Styles • https://amzn.to/3PFembK
Sam Newman • Building Resilient Distributed Systems • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/building-resilient-distributed/9781098163532
Sam Newman • Monolith to Microservices • https://amzn.to/2Nml96E
Sam Newman • Building Microservices • https://amzn.to/3dMPbOs
Ronnie Mitra & Irakli Nadareishvili • Microservices: Up and Running• https://amzn.to/3c4HmmLBluesky
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Jay Wengrow - Author of “A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering” & CEO of Actualize
Kris Jenkins - Lifelong Computer Geek and Podcast Host
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Jay
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Kris
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http://blog.jenkster.com
DESCRIPTION
In this GOTO Book Club episode, host Kris Jenkins sits down with Jay Wengrow — founder of coding bootcamp Actualize and author of the bestselling Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures and Algorithms — to dig into his latest book, A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering. Jay demystifies how AI agents actually work: at heart, they're a clever hack where your code intercepts an LLM's text output, watches for special notation, and triggers real functions when it spots them. From there, the conversation expands into guardrails (regex, judge LLMs, and specialist ML models), multi-agent architectures for complex tasks, and a hands-on example of a 150-line podcast-generating app built entirely from scratch — no framework required.
The real throughline is a pragmatic, sceptical take on the current AI tooling landscape. Jay argues that frameworks can lock you into patterns that haven't been proven yet, and that the field is too new to know which abstractions are genuinely worth having. His rule of thumb: reach for a framework only when it will do something meaningfully better than you can — not just faster. The book was deliberately written around fundamentals rather than specific tools, so it ages well even as the ecosystem moves at breakneck speed. The conclusion is refreshingly grounded: understand the LLM's inherent limitations, build the middle layer thoughtfully, and don't outsource your system prompts to anyone — or anything.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to AI Engineering • https://pragprog.com/titles/jwpaieng
Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures and Algorithms • https://amzn.to/4bPiTjd
Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures & Algorithms in Python • https://amzn.to/3PpwtlT
Jay Wengrow • A Common-Sense Guide to Data Structures and Algorithms in JavaScript • https://amzn.to/4dDSZBlBluesky
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Jodie Burchell - Senior Data Science Developer Advocate at JetBrains
Michelle Frost - AI Advocate at JetBrains
Check out more here:
https://gotopia.tech/articles/431
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Jodie
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Links
https://www.youtube.com/@Asianometry
https://arxiv.org/abs/1911.01547
https://softwareengineeringproductivity.stanford.edu
DESCRIPTION
Michelle Frost and Jodie Burchell - both developer advocates at JetBrains — sit down for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the state of AI. Drawing on Jodie's unusual path from clinical psychology to biostatistics to NLP, and Michelle's background in machine learning fairness and AI ethics consulting, the two offer a measured, research-grounded perspective on generative AI's real capabilities and limitations. They trace historical parallels between today's AI boom and earlier 'AI summers,' unpack the contested definitions of AI and AGI, make the case for why foundational machine learning knowledge still matters, and examine what the evidence actually says about AI's impact on developer productivity.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Mark Coeckelbergh • AI Ethics • https://amzn.to/3SuXUbY
Debbie Sue Jancis • AI Ethics • https://amzn.to/44yuEbR
Alex Castrounis • AI for People and Business • https://amzn.to/3NYKKTo
Phil Winder • Reinforcement Learning • https://amzn.to/3t1S1VZBluesky
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Hannah Foxwell - Independent Consultant & Founder of "AI for the rest of us"
Charles Humble - Freelance Techie, Podcaster, Editor, Author & Consultant
RESOURCES
Charles
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Hannah
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0ynenr1eno
DESCRIPTION
Hannah Foxwell sits down with Charles Humble - speaker, advisor, podcast host, and author - to explore his e-book "Kubernetes at the Edge". They cover what "edge computing" actually means, why it matters across industries from precision agriculture to healthcare and retail, how to approach vendor selection and day-two operations, and why sustainability must be central to how we build and deploy technology. The conversation closes with a frank and thoughtful discussion about the responsibilities of the tech industry in the age of generative AI.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Charles Humble • Kubernetes at the Edge • https://www.conissaunce.com/kubernetes-edge-ebook
Charles Humble • Professional Skills for Software Engineers • https://conissaunce.com/professional-skills-shortcut
Charles Humble • The Developer's Guide to Cloud Infrastructure, Efficiency & Sustainability • https://conissaunce.com/sustainability-ebookBluesky
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This presentation was recorded at GOTO Copenhagen 2025.
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Rebecca Parsons - CTO Emerita at Thoughtworks
Gregor Hohpe - Author of "Platform Strategy", "The Software Architect Elevator", et al.
Barry O'Reilly - Founder at Black Tulip Tech and Author of "Residues" & "The Architect's Paradox"
Andrew Harmel-Law - Technical Principal at Thoughtworks & Author of "Facilitating Software Architecture"
RESOURCES
Rebecca
https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-parsons-871491
https://twitter.com/rebeccaparsons
Gregor
https://twitter.com/ghohpe
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ghohpe
http://eaipatterns.com
https://architectelevator.com
Barry
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/barry-o-reilly-b924657
https://www.blacktulip.se
Andrew
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https://twit.social/@ahl
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https://github.com/andrewharmellaw
https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewharmellaw
https://andrewharmellaw.github.io
ABSTRACT
Speakers interview each other on topics that matter to them. [...]
Read the full abstract here:
https://gotocph.com/2025/sessions/3782
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Ford, Parsons, Kua & Sadalage • Building Evolutionary Architectures 2nd Edition • https://amzn.to/3lqr5Q8
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb
Gregor Hohpe • The Software Architect Elevator • https://amzn.to/3F6d2ax
Barry O'Reilly • Residues • https://leanpub.com/residuality
Barry O'Reilly • The Architect's Paradox • https://leanpub.com/architectsparadox
Andrew Harmel-Law • Facilitating Software Architecture • https://amzn.eu/d/5kZKVfUBluesky
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Laurenţiu Spilcă - Java Champion, Java Community Lead at Endava & Author of "Software Security for Developers" & more books
Thomas Vitale - Senior Software Architect at Systematic & Author of "Cloud Native Spring in Action"
RESOURCES
Laur
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Thomas
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https://twitter.com/vitalethomas
https://linkedin.com/in/vitalethomas
https://github.com/ThomasVitale
https://www.thomasvitale.com
Links
https://www.manning.com/books/software-security-for-developers
https://adibsaikali.wordpress.com
DESCRIPTION
Thomas Vitale sits down with Java Champion and author Laurentiu Spilca to discuss his co-authored book "Software Security for Developers". The conversation explores why security is so often avoided by developers, the widespread confusion between foundational concepts like encoding, hashing, and encryption, the dangers of reinventing established security standards, the growing risks of AI-generated code written without security awareness, and why understanding topics like PKI and certificates is more important than ever in modern software development.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Adib Saikali & Laurentiu Spilca • Software Security for Developers • https://amzn.to/4aPhqu0
Laurentiu Spilca • Spring, Start Here • https://amzn.to/3L6Sv6c
Laurentiu Spilca • Spring Security in Action • https://amzn.to/3LqEkZW
Laurentiu Spilca • Troubleshooting Java • https://amzn.to/4u5vkj0
Thomas Vitale • Cloud Native Spring in Action • https://amzn.to/3kLu1nsBluesky
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Elton Stoneman - Freelance Consultant, Trainer & Author of "Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches"
Bret Fisher - Docker Captain, Cloud Native Ambassador, Course Creator, YouTuber & Podcaster
RESOURCES
Elton
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https://x.com/EltonStoneman
https://github.com/sixeyed
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Bret
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https://x.com/BretFisher
https://github.com/BretFisher
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bretefisher
https://www.bretfisher.com/start
https://www.bretfisher.com
Links
Get 45% discount on Manning products with code: GOTOstoneman3
https://www.manning.com
https://blog.sixeyed.com/why-would-you-write-a-book-about-docker-in-2025
https://12factor.net
DESCRIPTION
In this conversation, Docker educator Brett Fisher sits down with Elton Stoneman - freelance consultant, former Docker employee, and author of "Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches" — to discuss the newly released second edition of his book. They cover what has changed in the container ecosystem over the last five years, why Docker fundamentals still matter even as Kubernetes dominates production environments, and what separates a Docker beginner from a true expert.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Elton Stoneman • Learn Docker in a Month of Lunches • https://amzn.to/4kJVSSD
Elton Stoneman • Learn Kubernetes in a Month of Lunches • https://amzn.to/4qKjate
Elton Stoneman • Docker on Windows • https://amzn.to/4cD6kJD
Burns, Beda & Hightower • Kubernetes: Up & Running • https://amzn.to/3sueuuI
Liz Rice • Container Security • https://amzn.to/3oU4iJe
Liz Rice • Kubernetes Security • https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/kubernetes-security/9781492039075Bluesky
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William Rizzo - Global Field CTO at Mirantis & CNCF Ambassador
Colin Griffin - CEO at Krumware & Co-Chair of CNCF Platform Engineering Working Group
RESOURCES
William
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Colin
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https://github.com/krumware
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Links
https://www.cncf.io/reports/cloud-native-artificial-intelligence-whitepaper
https://cloudnativeplatforms.com/whitepapers/platform-eng-maturity-model
DESCRIPTION
Colin Griffin and William Rizzo explore the evolving state of platform engineering in 2026. They discuss how the discipline plays out very differently across verticals such as fintech, telco, and automotive, and why generic frameworks must be tailored to the unique regulatory, cultural, and technical realities of each industry.
The conversation moves through the growing pressure to align platform investments with measurable business outcomes, the distinct compliance challenges facing European organizations under tightening AI regulation, and the infrastructure reckoning triggered by large-scale GPU investment. Both speakers converge on a shared wish: that the CNCF Platform Engineering White Paper and Maturity Model be updated to reflect vertical-specific guidance, informed directly by end-user organizations.
RECOMMENDED BOOKS
Gregor Hohpe • Platform Strategy • https://amzn.to/4cxfYdb
Gregor Hohpe • Cloud Strategy • https://amzn.to/3TOS3Nv
Zhamak Dehghani • Data Mesh • https://amzn.to/3tTCwAC
Sandeep Uttamchandani • The Self-Service Data Roadmap • https://amzn.to/3wAw5W2Bluesky
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