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In this compelling follow-up to our discussion on Noah and the relief of the cursed ground, we examine the puzzling aftermath: Noah’s drunkenness. Was it a relapse into chaos—or something else entirely?
Come walk through the deep theological and symbolic threads tied to wine in Scripture. Drawing on frame semantics, ancient rituals, and cultural insights, we explore how Noah’s actions in Genesis 9 parallel, reflect, and perhaps even invert the fall of Adam in Genesis 3. This episode also dives into the surprising history of alcohol in human civilization and Scripture—touching on Noah, Isaiah, Melchizedek, and more.
Key Topics:
The biological, social, and spiritual functions of alcohol
Noah’s drunkenness and the literary echoes of Genesis 3
Is Noah a second Adam—or something more?
The role of wine in culture, covenant, ritual, and vulnerability
Frame semantics and its value in biblical interpretation
How judgment reflects divine alignment—or divergenceReferenced Resources:
Drunk: How We Sipped, Danced and Stumbled Our Way to Civilization by Edward Slingerland
Drink: A Cultural History of Alcohol by Iain Gately
Genesis 9 Frame Semantics Study Guide: Between Curse and Covenant: How Frame Semantics Reshapes Our View of Noah’s Drunkenness
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Chapters(00:00:00) - Intro & Recap(00:01:18) - God works with creation(00:02:07) - Setting Up the Big Question(00:03:02) - Alcohol in History & Theology(00:04:48) - The Downsides of Alcohol(00:06:19) - Evolutionary Perspectives on Drinking(00:08:45) - Why Do Humans Drink?(00:14:04) - Positive Functions of Alcohol(00:18:54) - Did Beer Come Before Bread?(00:22:07) - Alcohol in the Bible(00:24:34) - Wine in Genesis: Mixed Messages(00:27:14) - Wine as a Gift of Creation(00:28:30) - Wine as Judgment and Folly(00:30:15) - Framing Drunkenness Theologically(00:33:14) - Noah’s Tent and Frame Semantics(00:37:08) - Drunkenness Frame Elements(00:41:06) - Echoes of Eden: The Fall Frame(00:43:09) - Comparing the Two Stories(00:49:47) - Three Interpretive Options(00:54:17) - Noah’s Surprising Role(00:56:17) - Humanity’s Evolving Role(00:59:02) - Final Reflections & Call to Respond
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Did the Flood reverse the curse of the ground? Carey builds a compelling case for a concept that’s often overlooked—or outright dismissed: that the Flood narrative in Genesis 6–9 isn't just about judgment, but also about restoration—specifically the cleansing of the cursed ground from Genesis 3.
Carey weaves together frame semantics, Hebrew wordplay, literary design (including an overlooked chiasm), and the theological role of Noah as a second Adam. She also unpacks how concepts like "serving the ground," the introduction of agriculture, and the story’s structural symmetry all speak to a larger narrative of renewal.
You’ll also hear:
A reexamination of Noah’s wife and the role of women in Genesis traditions
The conceptual link between Adam, Cain, and Noah through their relationship with the adamah
A chiasm that might not end where you think it does
A teaser for Carey’s upcoming contribution to the Two Trees Podcast ConferenceGrab your study guide on frame semantics (linked below) and share it with your Bible study group or church!
Printable from Episode 121, direct download link: Frame Semantics Study Guide
Beyond the Gates of Eden Conference: Studies — The Two Trees Podcast
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Chapters(00:00:00) - Intro & Frame Semantics Recap(00:01:36) - Framing the core question: Did the flood cleanse the curse?(00:05:49) - Adam, Cain, and the Curse Connection(00:06:22) - Noah’s Wife & the Power of Naming(00:13:57) - Gender, Blame, and Literary Implications(00:16:15) - Ground, Man, and Hebrew Wordplay(00:20:39) - From Fruit to Bread: What Changed?(00:24:10) - Cain, Adam, and Failed Soil Servants(00:29:03) - Introducing Noah: A New Hope?(00:30:18) - The Flood’s Chiasm and Literary Design(00:34:00) - Noah: Man of the Soil and Mirror to Adam(00:36:26) - The Chiasm is Longer Than You Think(00:37:48) - Curse Reversed? What God Says After the Flood(00:41:52) - Theological Implications of Agriculture(00:43:48) - Noah’s Covenant and Re-Creation Motifs(00:48:02) - Scholarly opinion on man of righteousness/man of the ground(00:50:14) - Drunkenness, Judgment, and the New Role of Noah(00:51:38) - Is This Another Fall? Or Something Better?(00:54:36) - Righteousness and Restoration(00:56:10) - Final Thoughts: Reversing the Curse and Rethinking Sin(00:57:40) - Next Steps: Jesus, Wine, and the Conference -
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In this episode of Genesis Marks the Spot, we finally dive into a long-anticipated topic: frame semantics—a cognitive linguistic tool that could revolutionize how we approach biblical texts. From exploring how the word "rest" is more than just a Sabbath nap, to rethinking the identity of the Satan in Job and why the Sons of God are unique, this episode is a thoughtful journey into how meaning is framed, shaped, and sometimes flattened when we don’t consider conceptual structures behind words.
The usual truth-conditional semantics (where meaning hinges on objective truth) contrasts with the more holistic and contextual approach of frame semantics which is a better fit for the approach of biblical theology. Whether you’re a seasoned theology nerd or new to these ideas, this episode will challenge how you read Scripture—and may just spark your next Bible study breakthrough.
Topics Covered:
What is frame semantics, and why does it matter for Bible study?
How our language frames the way we think (and vice versa)
The nuanced difference between “rest” and “relief”
Why “the Satan” in Job might not be who you think he is
Cognitive vs. structural approaches to Scripture
How to use this tool in your own studies (and a call to collaborate!)Don’t forget to download the handout mentioned in the episode for a visual aid to the concepts discussed. Want to help develop the next version? Carey is looking for collaborators!
Download link: https://genesismarksthespot.com/downloads/frame-semanticsFeedback or framework requests? Reach out at GenesisMarksTheSpot.com or connect on Facebook!
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You know his name. You know the flood. You might even think you know why Noah was given that name in the first place. But what if I told you… there's some strange artifcacts with ‘rest’ in Genesis 5:29? What if the comfort Lamech longed for wasn’t exactly what Noah delivered? Or maybe it was more than he was looking for...
Today, we’re digging into the meaning of Noah’s name, the toil of the world he was born into, and the rest—and what form of it—that followed. Because as it turns out…
This is the rest of the story.
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As You Wish… Or Maybe Not? Rethinking Genesis 3:16.
Genesis 3:16 has been a theological battleground for centuries—was Eve cursed? Does this verse establish male rule? And why did the ESV change its translation again? In this episode, we dive deep into the Hebrew text, ancient interpretations, and modern theological debates surrounding this passage.
We’ll explore:
Rabbinic and early Christian views on Eve’s "curse"
Whether Genesis 3:16 prescribes or describes male rulership
The ESV translation shift—what it means and why it matters
The surprising implications of Hebrew grammar (Hendiadys, anyone?)
How this passage connects to the broader biblical storyFrom Augustine to Chrysostom, from the Hebrew text to modern scholarship, we’re pulling back the curtain on one of the most debated verses in Scripture. Whether you lean complementarian, egalitarian, or somewhere in between, this episode will challenge assumptions and spark new insights.
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A conversation with Spencer Owen about reading the Bible from the OT to the NT and from the NT to the OT. Do we need Jesus in order to read the Old Testament?
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Isn't it a bit weird that Christians are called slaves? Isn't slavery a bad thing?
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Genesis 1:28 - Is human rule meant only for animals and not for other humans? What is biblical government? Tying in some modern social psychology with Jonathan Haidt's moral foundation theory, I offer an encouragement to political engagement in a self-giving way rather than engaging in one-up-manship.
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What if we've all got an overdeveloped sense of vengeance? How are guilt and justice portrayed in the Bible, especially in relation to God's character? What does shame have to do with (legal) guilt? How do these concepts develop? And...why does Genesis 1-11 seem so Mesopotamian??
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What's up with shame in Genesis 2 but not 3, and why were Adam and Eve naked in the garden? What were the garments of skin (and what's with these garments of glory)?
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Ruminations of a recent lecture and Jordan B. Peterson's new book, We Who Wrestle with God. Tyranny, slavery, sovereignty, calling, and conscience--oh, and the best way to cook a steak.
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We Who Wrestle with God: We Who Wrestle with God: Perceptions of the Divine
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Part 2 of the third Parable of Enoch. In this parable, we find some interesting bits about Noah and what's behind the flood, and ruminate on salvation, critical thinking, dangerous books, and what's upcoming on the podcast. Bit of a rambly episode at the end, but just opening the door a bit to consider some thoughts and importance of where we place our foundations.
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Part 1 of the third Parable of Enoch. (Guys, I tried to fit it into one episode, but the more the merrier, right??) In this parable, we find some interesting bits about Noah and start to see what's behind the flood, and end up ruminating about what this text tells us about salvation--especially between OT and NT. (To be continued next week!)
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Who is the Son of Man and why is this Jesus's preferred title for himself? An overview of the second part of 1 Enoch, the Parables of Enoch, with a reading of the second parable.
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Is 1 Enoch a Christian writing? Some believe so because of its close description of the Son of Man and other messianic imagery, particularly in the Parables of Enoch. An overview of the second part of 1 Enoch, the Parables of Enoch, with a reading of the first parable.
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What do donkeys have to do with Genesis 3? A survey of donkeys in the Bible and ancient Near East with a view to history and symbolism and explaining some difficult passages: the breaking of the firstborn donkey's neck in Exodus 13 and Balaam's jenny in Numbers 22.
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An overview of 1 Enoch with a reading of the Book of the Watchers. Bonus: comment on Timothy Alberino and Blurry Creatures' Enoch commentary.
18:32 - Reading of the Book of the Watchers.
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What did the ancient Israelite think about the origin of evil and sin? What did the first temple Jew think about the origin of evil and sin? What about the rabbis? Let's check out the literature, and track this topic so that we can better understand the Reformation's understanding of Genesis 6:1-4.
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Fallen Angels and the History of Judaism and Christianity: https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-History-Judaism-Christianity/dp/0521853788
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A review of Heath Henning's book, The Unbiblical Realm: Refuting the Divine Council of Michael Heiser's Deuteronomy 32 Worldview. Spoiler alert: I give this book negative stars.
Henning can't even present Dr. Heiser's understanding of the word elohim correctly, which is one of the most basic things that one must get "right" in order to understand much of what Dr. Heiser teaches. (Note: If you want to critique someone, you need to get what they say correct. Otherwise, don't bother.)
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How much blame does Augustine deserve for the Sethite view of Genesis 6:1-4? A discussion on why I think the "angelic" view of Genesis 6 should be primary, and how the "human" view got solidified over time. Spoiler alert: it's politics.
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