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Jen and Amy are beyond thrilled to welcome none other than late-night legend Stephen Colbert and his amazing wife, Evie McGee Colbert, to the show! They’re dishing about their brand-new cookbook, Does This Taste Funny?—a project born right in the middle of pandemic life at home. Stephen and Evie share the hilarious backstory of how this all came together, dive into their kitchen quirks (spoiler: they don’t always see eye-to-eye in the kitchen), and their mutual love for Gullah cuisine from the heart of South Carolina’s Lowcountry. From the joy of cooking together to a classic metal spoon disaster, it’s the perfect blend of laughter, food, and a little bit of chaos.
On today’s show:
Jen and Amy discuss their mixed feelings about high school reunions
Jen offers some sage guidance to young girls about how not to accessorize in their senior photos
Amy shows off in front of the Colberts with her plate of (gluten-free) Patti McGee’s Cheese Biscuits from their cookbook
The group tries to unpack what made our children’s generation so sensitive about food expiration dates
Stephen shares the story about how he got radicalized by fancy butter
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Thought-provoking Quotes:
“Anytime somebody brings me my own cookbook – which is only a few years old at this point – and it’s dirty, filthy, greasy, I am thrilled. It’s the best compliment.” – Jen Hatmaker
“My mom grew up in the heyday of processed foods. She didn’t have a lot of recipes that didn’t come from the back of a bottle of chili sauce or a packet of dried soup mix. So that’s where I started my culinary journey.” – Stephen Colbert
“Those people who have cooking shows are amazing. Shout out to anyone who has to cook and talk in front of a camera.” – Evie Colbert
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Flavors: The Junior League of San Antonio (1978) - https://www.abebooks.com/9780961041601/Flavors-Junior-League-San-Antonio-0961041609/plp
The Pioneer Woman Cooks: Recipes from an Accidental Country Girl by Ree Drummond (2009) - https://amzn.to/3Ue0eWd
The Colbert Report - https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-colbert-report/umc.cmc.3k1kkmfgd34hfnk8mc6p1uj01
"I Hope This Grief Stays With Me" - Andrew Garfield Fights Back Tears And Celebrates His Mom - YouTube - https://youtu.be/_u_TswLQ4ws?si=Ah2cbnW3-5AiyAlF
The Daily Show - https://www.cc.com/fan-hub/the-daily-show
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/
After Midnight - https://www.cbs.com/shows/after-midnight/
Montclair Film - https://montclairfilm.org/
Does This Taste Funny?: Recipes Our Family Loves - https://amzn.to/3YoJeix
Feed These People: Slam-Dunk Recipes for Your Crew by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/3BNozvM
Candied Hot Peppers from Tiny Pizza Kitchen in Brooklyn - https://www.tinypizzakitchen.com/buy-chilies
Guest’s Links:
Stephen’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stephenathome/
Stephen’s Twitter - https://x.com/StephenAtHome
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Website - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/colbertlateshow/
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Twitter - https://x.com/ColbertLateShow
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/colbertlateshow/
The Late Show with Stephen Colbert YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/ColbertLateShow
Connect with Jen!
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Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Friends, today’s episode is a powerhouse! We’ve got Sharon McMahon, aka “America’s Government Teacher,” bringing some serious wisdom from her new book, "The Small and the Mighty." Even the drafters of the Constitution worried about chaos, but they hoped for better things—and Sharon’s here to show us how twelve lesser-known heroes in American history made a huge impact on democracy. She’s drawing parallels to how we can still shape our future today, no matter how small we feel. Get ready to be inspired, y’all! Let’s dive in!
In this hope-filled chat:
Jen and Amy muse around which historical figures they would most like to meet and we get a glimpse of their preferred election night routines
Sharon highlights the arc of her career from an award-winning yarn influencer known as the Yarnista, to a photographer, to “America’s Government Teacher”
We discuss the need for reliable sources of factual information in a world filled to the brim with fake news and disinformation
Sharon explains why we shouldn’t sit out during state and local elections
We talk about a variety of ways to engage in democracy beyond just voting
And Sharon fields questions from members of our audience.
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Thought-provoking Quotes:
“We’re all tired, we’re exhausted from the endless partisanship and the fake news and the disinformation and vitriol.” – Jen Hatmaker
“I started noticing that there were a lot of people that were just really confidently wrong on the internet, saying things like ‘the electoral college is a university you can graduate from’.”– Sharon McMahon
“There’s a big list of people, especially women, who never, ever get the credit when it comes to the civil rights movement – it’s the attorneys, it's the Thurgood Marshalls, it’s the Freddie Grays, it’s the Martin Luther Kings.,and, of course, what they did is incredibly important but… there are a lot of women with whom this hot air balloon does not get off the ground. There is no leaving the ground without the significant contributions of women.” – Sharon McMahon
“We have to stop viewing this as a zero sum game in which our enemies must be defeated or destroyed. That’s an onramp to dictatorship.” – Sharon McMahon
“There are many ways to be involved in democracy. It’s not just voting and running for office. There’s not one prescription for how to be involved. Do things you are good at and contribute in your own way. We can’t all be parade goers.” – Sharon McMahon
“We tend to put all of our eggs in this basket of who will win the presidential election but who gets elected in your state matters so much. The things that really affect your daily life are defined at the state and local level.” – Sharon McMahon
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Henry Fite House of Baltimore - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fite_House
The Angry Trout Cafe, Grand Mariais, MN - https://www.angrytroutcafe.com/
The Small and the Mighty: Twelve Unsung Americans Who Changed the Course of History, from the Founding to the Civil Rights Movement by Sharon McMahon - https://amzn.to/3NsoqjI
Guest’s Links:
Sharon’s website - https://sharonmcmahon.com/
Sharon’s Newsletter, The Preamble - https://thepreamble.com/
Sharon’s Governerds Book Club - https://sharonmcmahon.com/products/governerds-insider
Sharon’s Here’s Where It Gets Interesting Podcast - https://sharonmcmahon.com/podcast
Sharon’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sharonsaysso
Sharon’s Twitter - https://x.com/sharon_says_so
Sharon’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/sharonsaysso/
Sharon’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@sharonsaysso
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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In this engaging conversation, actress, activist, and all-around beautiful human, Yvette Nicole Brown, gives us a lesson on the fundamental importance of joy, the blessings of caregiving, and the significance of community support. Through an exploration of Yvettes’ career, first in the music business, and now in the entertainment industry, she and Jen and Amy discuss the many challenges that face black women today while also talking about one of black women’s greatest superpowers – the sisterhood that exists among them. They lean into how white women can learn to harness that power in their relationships, too, and the things that can be done to support their sisters of color right now. Yvette also reflects on her personal life as a devoted caregiver, and dishes for a moment about the beauty of finding love in your late 50s.
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Thought-provoking Quotes:
“I don’t know as a kid that I ever thought that I would be a star. I always felt that I would be impactful in people's lives in some way because of the way that I love people.” – Yvette Nicole Brown
“I am still pinching myself. I’m Forrest Gump in the flesh – in real life – because I just say yes to things that feel right and God just takes me to the next opportunity to do the same.” – Yvette Nicole Brown
“That’s why black women are always so close with each other because whenever you see a ‘sista’, you know her story, without knowing her story. That’s why we call each other ‘sista’, because we know what she’s been through. Same thing with black men. ‘Brotha’. ‘Sista’. We know what the other person has been through and we stand with each other and support each other. But here’s the thing, we stand with and support everybody else too. And that’s why we say ‘vote like black women, think like black women’. That’s not hubris. That’s not arrogance. That’s heart. That’s soul.” – Yvette Nicole Brown
“When it comes to anything that comes up in the news, culture, current events, whatever’s going on, if I feel even a modicum of uncertainty about how to feel about it, I just look to the black women. It’s the correct reading of the room. The response is always for the greater good. It’s what’s good for culture, for people, our neighbors, progress, equality.” – Jen Hatmaker
“Instead of me showing you my pain, I’m going to use my joy as my strength and I’m going to dance and laugh through this thing.” – Yvette Nicole Brown
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
I Take My Coffee Black: Reflections on Tupac, Musical Theater, Faith, and Being Black in America by Tyler Merritt - https://amzn.to/3U6nMfN
Yvette’s acting and producing credits - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1304328/
Kamala Harris for President - https://kamalaharris.com/
How Black Women Organizers Broke Zoom to Raise $1.5 Million - Fortune.com
K-Pops by Anderson .Paak at Toronto International Film Festival - https://tiff.net/events/k-pops
Frasier - https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/frasier-2023/
Among Us - https://www.innersloth.com/voice-cast-for-the-among-us-animated-series-round-1/
Donors Choose - https://www.donorschoose.org/
The Creative Coalition Commission on Caregiving - https://thecreativecoalition.org/caregiving/
Emily’s List
Guest’s Links:
Yvette’s website - http://www.actressyvettenicolebrown.com/
Yvette’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/yvettenicolebrown
Yvette’s Twitter - https://x.com/ynb
Yvette’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/YvetteNBrown/
Yvette’s Squeezed Docupodcast - https://lemonadamedia.com/show/squeezed/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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This week Jen and Amy sit down with the charismatic and engaging Stanley Tucci, to discuss his new book, 'What I Ate in One Year', that explores the deep connections we can find amongst the food we eat, the memories we make, and the emotions we feel and how our cultural practices around food can provide fuel for us, not just in times of celebration, but can also provide us comfort in times of grief. Stanley reflects on how food plays a role in both joyous and difficult moments, emphasizing the importance of sharing meals with loved ones, hoping that readers will find comfort and connection through his work, especially in a time when we are all experiencing more loneliness and disconnection.
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Thought-provoking Quotes:
"You're such a Renaissance man." – Jen Hatmaker
"I like it so much more when we all eat together." – Stanley Tucci
"Food is just a part of life, which means it's a part of death too." – Stanley Tucci
“When somebody brings me bread, that’s my person. Let’s get married.” – Jen Hatmaker
“Even if you’re in a really shitty place, even if the food is terrible, but you’re eating with people that you love, it’ll be a memorable meal.” – Stanley Tucci
“I don’t want to eat a well done burger. I’d rather eat an extra side of fries.” – Jen Hatmaker
“Eating outdoors makes things taste better. Why is that? I don’t know but the place is crucial…in a weird way. It can change the taste of things.” – Stanley Tucci
“We think that in the moment we’re going to remember something forever but we don't. It just slips away. Even just writing your story down for you has meaning.” – Jen Hatmaker
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Stanley Tucci’s new book 'What I Ate in One Year' - https://amzn.to/484rxb2
Big Night (1996) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115678/
CNN Show: Searching for Italy - https://www.cnn.com/shows/stanley-tucci-searching-for-italy
Stanley Tucci makes a Negroni for his wife, Felicity - https://bit.ly/4h2L9QW
The Devil Wears Prada (2006) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458352/
Stanley Tucci’s film bio - https://imdb.to/3YgfeW2
Stanley Tucci’s theater bio - https://playbill.com/person/stanley-tucci-vault-0000019856
Taste: My Life Through Food by Stanley Tucci - https://amzn.to/4f08P6Y
Guest’s Links:
Stanley’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/StanleyTucci
Stanley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stanleytucci/
Stanley’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@stanley.tucci
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
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Named a best podcast of 2023 by Vulture, Time, The Economist, & Vogue. No question too big, no question too small. On Search Engine, host PJ Vogt answers the kinds of questions you might ask the internet when you can't sleep. If you find the world bewildering, but also sometimes enjoy being bewildered by it, we're here for you. Edited by Sruthi Pinnamaneni.
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In this month’s Jen Hatmaker Book Club episode, we speak with the author of A Woman of Intelligence, Karin Tanabe. In this fascinating interview, we learn that Karin originally set out to write a book about WWII women code breakers, but ended up turning it into an ode to the struggles of women finding themselves during early motherhood and the imminent right they have to a future chosen for themselves. The story follows a woman in the 50’s who sets out on a spy adventure, departing wildly from her mundane life, and making difficult choices that come with choosing yourself over society’s whims.
Jen and Karin personally and candidly reflect on the pressures of motherhood, the erasure of self that can come with parenting full time, and the history that brought us to where we are today.
Some topic points include:
The fascinating pivot from Tanabe's original book pitch to the creation of "A Woman of Intelligence"
Discussion of rarely-taught aspects of U.S. history, including government-funded childcare during WWII
Tanabe’s approach to crafting complex characters, including the memorable mother-in-law
The careful construction of the novel's open-ended finale
Join Jen and Karin for an engaging conversation that will leave you eager to dive into "A Woman of Intelligence" and reflect on how far we've come – and how far we still have to go.
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Resources & Books Mentioned in This Episode:
A Woman of Intelligence by Karin Tanabe - https://bit.ly/47GdbxI
The Sunset Crowd by Karin Tanabe - https://www.karintanabe.com/copy-of-the-list
A Hundred Suns - https://www.karintanabe.com/a-hundred-suns
Karin’s Booklist - https://www.karintanabe.com/books-w3tou
Elizabeth Bentley - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bentley
The Lanham Act of 1940 (Government-Subsidized Health Care) - https://bit.ly/3XS2Uen
The Red Scare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
The Cliffs by J. Courtney Sullivan - https://bit.ly/4evbYLG
Private Equity: A Memoir by Carrie Sun - https://bit.ly/3Bbgy3w
Eyeliner by Zahra Hankir - https://bit.ly/4gDgdqC
Guest’s Links:
Karin’s Website: https://www.karintanabe.com/
Karin’s Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/karintanabe
Karin’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karintanabe
Karin’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/authorkarintanabe
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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This week Jen and Amy dive deep into the mind of bestselling author and one of the most influential thinkers of the 2000’s, Malcolm Gladwell. Exploring the intriguing concepts behind his latest book, The Revenge of the Tipping Point, the conversation ebbs and flows through Malcolm's ability to turn dense data into compelling narratives, weaving stories that captivate readers in unexpected ways. Jen and Amy key into Malcolm's knack for viewing problems from unique angles, a skill that sets him apart in academic and popular discourse.
Throughout the chat, Malcolm reveals how his perspectives have evolved over the last 25 years and how the nuances of today's world demand a fresh interpretation of the ideas that he first introduced. Their discussion underscores the blend of rigorous analysis and storytelling magic that defines Malcolm's work and leaves a lasting impact on listeners eager to engage with the pressing questions of our time.
Malcolm gives us insight into all manner of cultural phenomena, including:
A definition of “overstories” and how they can refine and deepen our understanding of the spread of customs, mores, and practices
The advent of “superspreaders:” those very few people who have a large amount of influence, a situation which has shifted with the onset of social media
Snippets of fascinating social observations, illustrated in stories from his book including a look at the opioid epidemic, the growing mental health issues of students, and the power of television shows like “Will & Grace,” toward creating massive cultural shifts
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“The overstory that is over our heads right now that we're not thinking about is one that says the most important way to understand ourselves and our differences from others is to look through the lens of politics. I think political ideology has somehow kind of become central in a way that it wasn't 25 years ago. That's a kind of weird thing going on right now that we're sort of not paying attention to. I'm hopeful that will shift. I would much rather people find themselves using other categories. Because there are other categories that are far more meaningful.” - Malcolm Gladwell
"If you look at platforms like Twitter or TikTok, you'll see that a very small number of people have a massive amount of reach. As we examine how we're influenced, it's clear that the sources and individuals projecting influence in the world are getting smaller and smaller — which is weird, because we initially thought the opposite was happening." - Malcolm Gladwell
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
What’s Going On by Marvin Gaye - https://bit.ly/3TLRne5
Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2 - https://bit.ly/4gQTdEC
Losing My Religion by R.E.M - https://open.spotify.com/track/31AOj9sFz2gM0O3hMARRBx
Malcolm’s Book List - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/landing-page/malcolm-gladwell-books/
Revenge of the Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell - https://bit.ly/3XYc7BN
Anna Muller - https://umdearborn.edu/people-um-dearborn/anna-muller
Seth Robertson - https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/people/seth-robertson
Will and Grace - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_%26_Grace
Guest’s Links:
Malcolm’s Website - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/
Malcolm’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/gladwell
Malcolm’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/malcolmgladwellbooks/
Malcolm’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/malcolmgladwell/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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This week, step into the studio (and kitchen!) with Jen and Amy as they have an intimate and insightful conversation with the iconic Ina Garten, a true pioneer in the culinary world who has shaped the way we cook at home. As they delve into Ina's groundbreaking career, from the beloved Barefoot Contessa specialty food shop to the 28 seasons of her cherished TV show, you'll discover the heart and humor behind Ina's success. Amidst laughter and heartwarming tales, the conversation takes a deeper turn as Ina opens up about her new memoir, “Be Ready When the Luck Happens,” providing candid insights into her life, including her early days with husband Jeffrey and the triumphs and challenges that have defined her journey.
Topics include:
Being open to unexpected opportunities can lead to fulfilling paths.
The importance of maintaining a sense of humor and lightheartedness on the journey to success and connection.
Behind the scenes of Ina’s relationship with her husband of 56 years, Jeffrey, where she underscores the value of strong support systems and partnerships in achieving balance and joy.
Whether you're a longtime fan or new to Ina's world, this episode offers a personal glimpse into the life of a culinary legend who continues to inspire us all.
PLUS don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussion about foods they ate as kids that they wouldn’t dare touch now, and the cooking shows that first caught their attention as young wives and moms.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I think that we all need one person and we don't need a lot of people, just need one person who really believes in us. And fortunately for me, it was Jeffrey…He always made me feel like I was smart and I could accomplish anything I wanted to do with no reservations, no judgment. And it doesn't have to be a spouse. It can be a sister. It can be a teacher. It can be a parent. We all need to find that one person who really believes in us. At least that's my experience.” - Ina Garten
“I think one of the things that we're always taught when we're young is; what are you going to be when you grow up? And you're not going to be one thing anymore. You're going to do something and it's going to lead to something else, and then it's going to lead to something else. If you decide when you're young what you're going to be and that's it, you're never going to learn anything. I think it's the twists and turns that are really interesting.” - Ina Garten
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book
Be My Guest with Ina Garten - https://bit.ly/3TvsfIx
Be Ready When Luck Happens: A Memoir by Ina Garten - https://bit.ly/3ZndFqh
Strapless: John Singer Sargent and the Fall of Madame X by Deborah Davis - https://bit.ly/3XPOo76
Party of the Century: The Fabulous Story of Truman Capote and His Black and White Ball by Deborah Davis - https://bit.ly/4gvQ6l6
The Oprah Winfrey Show: Reflections on an American Legacy - https://bit.ly/47r1QS1
Tina Turner: My Love Story - https://bit.ly/3Xu76j1
Ina Garten on 60 Minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REyYFeqEKZg
An Unmarried Woman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Unmarried_Woman
Ina’s Interview with John Grisham - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ9jYxkbm6s
Guest’s Links:
Barefoot Contessa (Ina’s Website) - https://barefootcontessa.com/
Ina’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/InaGarten
Ina’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOlnd-2UlwJuWcnfEKt28yg
Ina’s Pinterest - https://br.pinterest.com/inaofficial/
Ina’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/inagarten/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Leanne Morgan was going to quit her career as a stand up comic and start a hardware store (with a cheese wheel, no less!) before she had her major break in comedy. Making the decision to invest in herself one last time opened the doors to an incredible season and newfound success in the comedy world.
Jen, Amy, and Leanne get candid when talking about what it means to be the best version of themselves in their second act of life, and when success comes later, why it can be better than having all your dreams come true at once.
Topics discussed include:
Behind the scenes of Leanne’s viral success at 51
Why being yourself is always the best answer to any problem
How handling criticism at their ages is so much easier to deal with
The cornbread drama — do you add sugar or not?
Also; don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on Taylor Swift drama and FOMO!
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
"Use humor to get through hard times. I think it's the best thing that can ever happen to anybody is to be able to laugh through the bad times and to forgive themselves." - Leanne Morgan
"I want [women] to know it is never too late...you're the best you've ever been. You're the smartest you've ever been. It is the best time in your life. It is the best time to start a business. It is the best time to go back to school. I just want women to know that." - Leanne Morgan
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
What in the World? by Leanne Morgan - https://www.leannemorgan.com/book
Quiet by Susan Cain - https://susancain.net/book/quiet/
For the Love Podcast Episode ft. Jim Gaffigan - https://bit.ly/3Ximuij
Leanne’s Interview with Hallerin Hilton Hill - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xdJyhnLuc
You’re Cordially Invited - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xdJyhnLuc
Leanne Morgan at the Grand Ole Opry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYMFOok5s4
Guest’s Links:
Leanne’s Website - https://www.leannemorgan.com/
Leanne’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/leannecomedy
Leanne’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/leannemorgancomedy
Leanne’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/leannemorgancomedy
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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At the height of her worldly and academic success garnering three Harvard degrees, Martha Beck received life altering news, and discovered that maybe she didn’t know everything. This set off a lifetime of pursuing ways to soothe her nervous system from anxiety and find freedom in a new purpose.In a world where anxiety seems to be spiraling out of control, Martha offers a revolutionary approach to understanding and befriending anxiety. Drawing from cutting-edge neuroscience and her years of experience coaching people through what she calls the “Change Cycle,” Martha shares:The four phases of the “Change Cycle”Why anxiety is on the rise and how it's affecting us allThe unexpected connection between anxiety and creativityHow to access your own creative geniusYou’re also not going to want to miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on embracing the mantra “it’s never too late” and Jen’s incurable attachment to an ancient email address.* * *Thought-Provoking Quotes:"Hold it [stability] very lightly. Let it go. Because everything is always moving and changing." - Dr. Martha Beck"If you try to speed yourself through the process of letting go, of grieving your losses, of at least giving a really deep, profound, heartfelt farewell to the life you used to have — if you don't go through that process, nothing good is going to come of it. You're going to end up in lifelong therapy." Dr. Martha Beck“There is a sensation deeper than the mind, more profound than anything we could think, and in some ways, far more powerful than emotion. It is a kind of stillness, a connection. I believe that this is what consciousness is. It behaves this way when it is neither us nor a substance. It is a vibrantly alive stillness that pervades the universe, however many there are. And we are part of it; we are indistinguishable from it.” - Dr. Martha Beck"The first step to getting out of anxiety is to recognize that an anxious brain is not a broken machine--it's a frightened animal." - Dr. Martha Beck“The moment you move into a place of compassion, you use your brain very differently than when you’re in an anxiety spiral. This shift frees you to pull your attention away from the anxiety and begin being loving with yourself.” - Dr. Martha Beck"You were born a creative genius. Your mind is so capable of solving the problems that make you anxious, but only if you free that genius. And anxiety keeps it caged." - Dr. Martha BeckResources Mentioned in This Episode:Dr. Becks Monthly O Magazine Column - https://www.oprah.com/spirit/martha-beck/allBewildered Podcast with Dr. Martha Beck & Rowan Mangan - https://bit.ly/3zkyic2The Gathering Room Podcast with Dr. Martha Beck - https://bit.ly/3XquFsVThe Way of Integrity Finding the Path to Your True Self - https://bit.ly/3ziwm3FNisargadatta Maharaj - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisargadatta_MaharajNASA’s Creative Genius Study - https://bit.ly/4dSoFAlWildr App - https://apps.apple.com/my/app/wildr/id1604130204Guest’s Links:Dr. Beck's Website: https://marthabeck.comDr. Beck's Wayfinder Life Coach Training: https://marthabeck.com/life-coach-training/Dr. Beck's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themarthabeck/Dr. Beck's upcoming book: https://marthabeck.com/beyond-anxiety/Courses & Retreats with Dr. Beck: https://marthabeck.com/courses-training/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Jen and New York Times best-selling author, Phaedra Patrick, discuss “The Little Italian Hotel” and how finding a way through heartache can look wildly different from one person to the next.
Phaedra was a self-taught writer who almost gave up on her dream before she had a breakthrough with her runaway hit, “The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper.” In her darkest moments she always reminds herself, “When I don’t feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” With that boldness in mind, she writes novels to make people feel good about themselves and want to connect with others.
Particularly compelling moments between Jen and Phaedra include:
Phaedra’s incredible story of teaching herself to write and dealing with rejection in the beginning of her career
The author's insights on the challenges women face on putting themselves first
Phaedra’s reasoning on the open ending of the book
Why connecting with others in warm and gentle spaces can lead to healing
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“When I don't feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” - Phaedra Patrick
Resources and Books Mentioned in This Episode:
The Little Italian Hotel by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4fJ92fJ
The Year of What If by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4drmseX
Rise and Shine, Benedict Stone by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3X3ugOr
The Curious Charms Of Arthur Pepper by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3WIQWSw
Garden Spells by Sarah Addison Allen - https://bit.ly/3YKUsyA
The Authenticity Project by Clare Pooley - https://bit.ly/4fC6XT7
The Love of My After Life by Kirsty Greenwood - https://bit.ly/46SffSQ
Phaedra’s Writing Tips - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/writing-tips
Guest’s Links:
Phaedra’s Website - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/
Phaedra’s Instagram - http://instagram.com/phaedrapatrick
Phaedra’s Twitter - http://twitter.com/phaedrapatrick
Phaedra’s Facebook - http://facebook.com/phaedrapatrick
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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Have you ever met someone who’s excited about menopause? It might seem like a rare breed, but isn’t it time we reconsider our relationship with aging? While society often tells us that 50 should look like 30, the reality is that growing older is a badge of honor—even if it comes with its own set of quirks. Menopause, instead of being a dreaded foe, is more like an old friend that invites us to a new chapter filled with wisdom, laughter, and some hilariously unpredictable moments. Rather than shying away from this natural transition, Cheryl Bridges Johns encourages us to lean into it, celebrating the changes and uncovering the vibrant selves we’ve always been. Through her insightful book, “Seven Transforming Gifts of Menopause,” she illuminates the idea that this phase is an opportunity for rediscovery—like uncovering a hidden treasure chest on a stormy day. As we navigate these waters together, it's easier to see that aging is not the end; it’s merely the beginning of a bravely authentic and empowered life. PLUS an all new episode intro from Amy and Jen who get into a Rant & Rave segment about the joys of permimenopause and menopause that you won’t want to miss.* * *Thought-Provoking Quotes:“Women are allowed to age but we are not allowed to mature.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns“We're the daughters of the Silent Generation but our daughters don't have to be.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns“Menopause is a gift to revisit. What did you let go, what did you repress? The uncovering of menopause is like a storm that comes in and you realize there’s a ship where you couldn’t see it before. It was hidden and the storm became a clearing, an uncovering.” - Cheryl Bridges JohnsResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Silent Passage - Gail Sheehy - https://bit.ly/4dTE1Ve How to Survive a Shipwreck: Help Is on the Way and Love is Already Here - Jonathan Martin - https://bit.ly/4gaB5oL The Wisdom of Menopause: Creating Physical and Emotional Health During Change - Christiane Northrup - https://bit.ly/3TifroB Jen’s Blog - What’s Saving My Life Right Now: Perimenopause Edition - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/perimenopause-survival-guideGuest’s Links:Cheryl's Website - https://cherylbjohns.com Cheryl's Twitter - https://twitter.com/cb_johns Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It’s election season, and it’s been an interesting ride to this cycle’s moment of truth! Jen and Amy dive deep into the heart of the upcoming 2024 election with the insightful women from Pantsuit Politics–Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. The conversation centers around the distinct dynamics shaping this election, along with insight as to why it’s vastly different from 2016; sparking a thought-provoking dialogue about the evolving political landscape. With Vice President Kamala Harris potentially on the brink of breaking barriers as our first female president, the discussion also touches on the hopes and challenges ahead. Sarah and Beth were participants at the Democratic National Convention in August, and they share what that experience was like, and how it informed their views of the current political terrain. As we look to a potentially historic outcome, Beth and Sarah share practical ways we can engage in the process and build community as we navigate this pivotal moment together.You also won’t want to miss a new GenXcellence segment where Jen and Amy reminisce about their first voting experiences. * * *Thought-Provoking Quotes:“Humans rising to the moment; that just never gets old to me. That's what politics can really be--including politicians who I know get a really bad rap. But watching them come into a moment they couldn't have expected, watching history show up on their doorsteps and go, all right, let's do it. I think it's just been so exhilarating”. - Sarah Stewart Holland“I could talk all day about all the things that Vice President Harris has done that no one talks about. I have been on the train for years that Biden needed to be a one term president, and that she was an excellent successor to him. And I think it's played out in a really strange way that presents some challenges, but also some opportunities for her. I am thrilled that America is finally getting to have a real introduction to her.” - Beth Silvers“Good governance needs people advocating for really different approaches to legislation, to policy, to issues, to messaging.” - Beth SilversResources Mentioned in This Episode:Project 2025 - https://bit.ly/3XqR2jtNew York Times Article about Jelly Roll - https://bit.ly/3MrFrKvI Think Your’re Wrong (But I'm Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://www.amazon.com/Think-Youre-Wrong-Listening-Conversations/dp/1400208416Now What? By Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://bit.ly/4cOXV2bGuest’s Links:Pantsuit Politics Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/Pantsuit Politics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics/Pantsuit Politics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pantsuitpolitics/Pantsuit Politics Twitter - https://bit.ly/3Xsx32HPantsuit Politics Substack - https://substack.com/@pantsuitpoliticsConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. Four Eyes Media: https://www.iiiimedia.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It’s a brand new season of the show and we are thrilled to have Amy Hardin, Jen’s longtime friend, join us on the podcast for a whole new adventure in laughing at ourselves and learning from our incredible guests.
The Lazy Genius herself, Kendra Adachi, joins Jen and Amy today to challenge our culture's obsession with productivity and time management. Kendra offers a revolutionary perspective: the problem isn't you — it's the capitalistic, patriarchal culture we've all been raised in. Kendra unpacks why traditional productivity advice often fails women and shares a more compassionate approach for managing busy lives.
Whether you're drowning in laundry, juggling work and family, or simply craving a kinder way to approach your days, this conversation will leave you feeling seen, encouraged, and equipped with practical strategies.
Discover how to:
Shift your mindset from pursuing 'greatness' to embracing contentment
Take small, sustainable steps instead of attempting drastic overhauls
Adapt your systems to fit your unique life and needs
Find freedom from rigid to-do lists and unrealistic expectations
Don't miss Kendra's sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Plan' - it just might change your life!
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
"I thought I just had to try harder or give up. And those are not the only two options, everybody. There's a wide middle between ‘try hard’ and ‘give up.’ And so that's when I pivoted my online writing to this space to the Lazy Genius Ecosystem, as you called it, which is, 'let's be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. And everyone gets to choose what those things are.'" - Kendra Adachi
"I think that we forget that the paradigm that we all live under in a Western, capitalistic, patriarchal society is not one that supports what I'm talking about in many ways. And so, it's hard to do. It's very, very hard because the waters that we live in really do not support this kind of idea. So the problem is not you is what I'm saying. The problem is not you." - Kendra Adachi
"Your to-do list is not the boss of you. It's a tool." - Kendra Adachi
“93% of time management productivity books are written by men.” - Kendra Adachi
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book
The Lazy Genius Podcast - https://bit.ly/4drs4WB
The Lazy Genius Way - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/way
For the Love Podcast ft. Kendra Adachi - https://bit.ly/3WUZdD7
The Plan by Kendra Adachi - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/theplan
For the Love Podcast ft. Emily P. Freeman - https://bit.ly/4cGSRNr
Guest’s Links
Website - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelazygenius/
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/2548803345149849
Twitter - https://twitter.com/lazykendra
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!
And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.
Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other.
If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/
For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU
Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL
For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg
The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam
The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK
The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf
The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/
Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/
Guest’s Links:
Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/
Ian's Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/IanMorganCron/
Ian's Twitter - https://twitter.com/ianmorgancron?lang=en
Ian's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorgancron
Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, return together to introduce this previous interview with Jennifer Garner that was one of For the Love’s top downloaded episodes of all time. Jen and Amy chat about their favorite Jennifer Garner projects and how impressed they are with her activism and philanthropic work.
In the interview itself, Jennifer Garner shares how she navigates life as a mom, an entrepreneur, and an actress. So many of us have followed Jen's career through TV & film, but she takes us back to the early days when she fell in love with theater, doing auditions in New York while she slept on the floor of a friend’s home who offered a place to lay her head. We also find out that her first job was working with Melissa Gilbert (Laura Ingalls of Little House on the Prairie fame) and how that eventually led to working with J.J. Abrams in Felicity, who then cast her in her breakout role as the star of Alias. The two Jens discuss everything from what it’s like to raise kids as they transition from littles to bigs and what eventually drove Jen’s pursuits outside of Hollywood to co-found Once Upon a Farm and become involved with Save the Children.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“Change is hard. I mean, I have a tendency to, or I did when I was younger, where I leapt into living in New York before I thought about living in New York. And then I leapt into moving to LA, and then had to absorb that, wait a minute, I just left this all. That was a big transition for me, because I didn't realize I had built a community for myself in New York.” - Jennifer Garner
“I hunted down what organization was really doing work in rural America and Save the Children was all over the world. Our whole global goal is to help kids where no one wants to go and where no one's helping them. So we are in Afghanistan, we're always in the middle of the Ebola crisis, we're always in the middle of helping kids as they're leaving Syria. And we're in those refugee camps and we're in disasters, and we are hand in hand with the Red Cross, and just one of the leading organizations helping kids in the whole world. And in the US, the work is so beautiful. And it's almost unknown, because we're in the little tucked away corners.” - Jennifer Garner
“I think food insecurity and poverty in America, it's a little bit invisible, because we want it to be. We choose what we look at. And so, it is, in some ways, easier to look across the globe and see it somewhere else in a country that is so different than ours or with such obvious distinctions. But the food insecurity in America is high, high, high.” - Jen Hatmaker
“You know what I love? I love any community. I just like to be in a community.” - Jennifer Garner
“What is saving my life right now? I mean, I can’t imagine it ever being anything other than girlfriends.” - Jennifer Garner
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Once Upon a Farm - https://onceuponafarmorganics.com/pages/jens-farm
Save the Children - https://bit.ly/4dnOuHM
13 Going on 30 - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/
The Last Thing He Told Me - https://bit.ly/4d9wEbK
Love, Simon - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5164432/
Guest’s Links:
Jennifer’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jennifer.garner/?hl=en
Jennifer’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/thejengarner?lang=en
Jennifer’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JenniferGarner/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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Jen and her longtime friend, Amy Hardin, are back together to introduce this interview with Kate Bowler that originally aired as a premium channel episode. They examine the ways a “toxic positivity” mindset and a misguided understanding of “blessings” can harm relationships and culture.
If you’ve ever felt your soul drag to the ground after reading a #blessed post on Instagram, there’s relief for you here. Kate Bowler shows us a gentler way to look at the concept of blessings, so that someone else’s #blessing doesn’t feel like our #fail.
In the interview, Jen and Kate talk about:
A brief history of the prosperity gospel in America and the origins of toxic positivity
The original definition of “blessing” from the Bible
The absurdity of life and how tragedy can feel when watching other people’s happiness
What the point of praying is
Kate tries out being a late night radio DJ and shares a blessing she wrote specifically for our podcast
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“[Toxic positivity] is the overemphasis, the bright siding of truth to the point where you can't be honest. You can't really say what's going on.” - Kate Bowler
“There is frankly almost no relationship between people's lives working out and whether they are fundamentally good and lovable by God among other people, period.” - Kate Bowler
“I was in a waiting room the other day looking over at two people absolutely cracking each other up over an oxygen machine. And I felt the flicker of the tragic comedy of the world, and I was like, ‘Yep, that is a little blessing.’” - Kate Bowler
“Such a weird moment when your life is in tatters and then you just see somebody walking their dog. You're like, ‘What are you doing? How is that happening? Why are you laughing?’” - Jen Hatmaker
“The more we take what we think we know, and then we just rearrange it a bit, it offers us a chance to see something.” - Kate Bowler
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/46ynpPX
The Lives We Actually Have, 100 Blessings for Imperfect Days by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4ftQOie
Everything Happens for a Reason and Other Lies I've Loved by Kate Bowler -
https://bit.ly/46DRopS
For the Love episode with Maggie Smith - https://bit.ly/4fwTfR4
Have a Beautiful Terrible Day by Kate Bowler - https://bit.ly/4cdiS6T
Guest’s Links:
Kate’s Website: https://katebowler.com/
Kate’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/katecbowler
Kate’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katecbowler/
Kate’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/katecbowler
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1
The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy.
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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!
And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.
Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other.
If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron
“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/
For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU
Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL
For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg
The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam
The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK
The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf
The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/
Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/
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As part of our summer series of re-airing the best of “For the Love,” we also have Jen’s long time friend, Amy Hardin, joining Jen to introduce this episode that was originally aired on the premium channel. In this new episode, we’ll hear about Jen and Amy’s summer so far and what constitutes guilty pleasure TV binges.
True crime might be considered a guilty pleasure, but if you haven’t done a deep dive into the genre, then this will be an eye opening conversation for you. We’ve got an amazing guest who is here to talk about the true crime podcast phenomenon, and she’s one of the folks that really put it on the map — Ashley Flowers, the host of the wildly popular podcast, Crime Junkies.
Ashley Flowers and her co-host Brit have spent years researching, analyzing, and solving cases. And with over 1 billion downloads, it’s easy to say they are pretty good at what they do. Jen and Ashley get into how Crime Junkies got started, their thoughts on why the true crime genre is so popular and how Ashely’s using the platform to educate as well as entertain.
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Thought-Provoking Quotes:
“I was looking for something specific, and the way we tell the stories was all based on me as the fan, not coming into a genre and being like, ‘It's popular. What can I do to make it successful?’ It was, ‘What would I really care about?’ And I think that's been the success of this show, as it comes from such a genuine place.” – Ashley Flowers
“I founded a nonprofit called Season of Justice that's all about funding testing for law enforcement. We pay the labs directly so we can do this advanced testing. Because I found in my work and the more I talk to families, the more I talk to law enforcement, one of the barriers over and over again was just finances. And that's where I was like, ‘I can fix that.’" – Ashley Flowers
“If you're truly invested in the community, there are so many different ways you can get involved and use your own talents to make a real difference and help solve these cases. I'm a storyteller, I'm a business owner, and now I'm solving murders.” – Ashley Flowers
Guest’s Links:
All Good People Here by Ashley Flowers - https://www.amazon.com/All-Good-People-Here-Novel/dp/0593496477
Ashley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ashleyflowers/?hl=en
Crime Junkie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/crimejunkiepodcast/?hl=en
Season of Justice - https://seasonofjustice.org
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Móni Guzmán came to the US from Mexico with her family many decades ago. In the past two presidential elections, her parents voted for Trump while she voted for Clinton and Biden. This created the kind of tension that must be managed very carefully. Fortunately, and relatedly, Móni has professional experience with difficult conversations in her capacity as a senior fellow at Braver Angels. We lean heavily on the ideas in Móni’s book, I Never Thought of It That Way, in this episode and throughout our 5-part series on getting along: Rupture + Repair.
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