• Nick takes us through an in-depth look at the full history of cymbals, bronze, the iconic brands such as UFIP and Paiste, and all of the processes that are used around the world to create cymbals through time. The episode starts 7000 years ago and works up to the modern revolution of independent cymbal makers like NickyMoon.
    Nick is a master cymbal maker that has a deep passion for preserving the history of this art form. Not only does he tell us about all the milestones throughout time in China, Turkey, Europe, America and South America - but he also teaches us all of the terms and processes that are used in the process across the globe.
    Nick has prepared an awesome outline that will be available on www.drumhistorypodcast.com/episodes and here is a link to the Chinese cymbals from 1200 AD:
    Learn more about Nick at his website: https://www.nickymoon.com/
    And find him on Instagram at @nickymoon_cymbals

  • Learn the history of broadway drummers dating back to the days of Vaudeville, up to the modern times where shows are technical marvels that run Ableton, have screens on all the music stands, and the drummer is often playing remotely in a complete different part of the building!
    Warren Odze is a broadway veteran and has been performing on the stage since the 70's, but his music career has been in full swing for over 50 years. He takes us through the changes that drummers on Broadway have faced over the years and the importance that the Musicians Union plays in keeping them working.
    Warren has performed on broadway shows such as "The Life", "Civil War", "Kat and the Kings", "Seussical","Thoroughly Modern Millie", "Lennon" , "Come Fly Away", The Wedding Singer", “Priscilla", “Rocky” , “An American In Paris” and “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" - in addition to performing on the Tony Awards, being the drummer for the 1968 season of the Dick Cavett Show, and recording with a long list of A List artists.

    Enjoy this episode!

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  • We go back to post World War 2 Japan and learn about the origins of Pearl as a music stand manufacturer in 1946. They then entered the world of drums in the 50's and began to rise to the drum company that we know today by creating "stencil drums" for over 30 other brand names, including CB-700 and Apollo, before creating the iconic Pearl "Presidents Series" in 1966.
    Raymond Massey is the Director of Product Development and gives us an extensive run through of each decade of this iconic drum brand. Pearl has been a family owned brand for almost 75 years and has continued to push the boundaries of innovation and quality since the first drum left the factory.
    This episode has been in the works for over a year and I am very happy to get it out in the world and share the history of Pearl.

  • Claus teaches us all about the Moeller Technique and its origins with Sanford Moeller, and how he passed the technique along to the legendary Jim Chapin who taught Claus and many famous drummers. This episode is full of great history and stories about how this method of playing was passed down through the generations, and also hear all about Claus's passion for rope tension drums, collapsed rudiments, and a number of other topics!
    Claus Hessler is an author, performer and educator who had a very close relationship with Jim Chapin and is a modern expert on rudimental drumming and the Moeller technique. In 2006, Jim Chapin was quoted saying "I hardly know anyone who is closer to the real Moeller than Claus Hessler."
    You can find out everything about Claus on his website at https://claushessler.com/
    Enjoy this episode!

  • Jim was the director of marketing at Ludwig for 36 years and was the right hand man to Bill Ludwig II, aka "The Chief". He shares amazing stories about his time he had with the chief, and his four decade career in the drum industry with Ludwig, and also Premier and Slingerland. 
    Jim brought The Chief out of retirement and back into the company after he had sold the company to Selmer, then he had a great rest of his career with Jim by his side. This episode is a great blueprint for how to work your way up the ladder in the drum industry while treating everyone with respect. 
    Jim is basically a member of the Ludwig family and is full of behind the scenes stories that you wont hear from anyone else.


  • North drums are some of the most unique looking drums ever made. They are horn shaped fiberglass drums that were made between the late 60's through the early 90's and were created by my guest, Roger North.
    Early on, Roger played the first North Drums tom on stage at Woodstock 1969 with his band Quill before he ever actually went into production and created the business. A few years later, he was in full swing and creating drums for Billy Cobham, Alan White, Gerry Brown, Doug Clifford and many more.
    He shares with us the entire story of why he created these "Dr. Seuss-like drums" and the ups and downs of his journey as a business owner. Roger has had many great experiences and learned lots of lessons that he very openly shares with us. North Drums are still some of the most unique percussion instruments ever created and are becoming more and more valuable as the years go on.

    Enjoy this episode!

  • Joe Morello was one of the most innovative and masterful drummers of the last century, but did you know he was playing Violin with the Boston Symphony at age 9? Learn about how the iconic "Take 5" Drummer made the switch to drums and became the legend we know today.
    Steve Fidyk is a legendary drummer and educator in his own right, and he was lucky enough to study with Joe and have a very close relationship with him as a student and a friend.
    Joe began his music life as a virtuosic violinist who became discouraged at 15 after not feeling that he could surpass the sound of one of his heros - so he began studying drums with Joe Sefcik and George Lawrence Stone..and then the rest his history. Steve does a wonderful job of very thoroughly taking us through Joe's entire life including the hardships of being legally blind and pursuing a musical career.
    Steve Fidyk is a composer, author, educator, and a phenomenal drummer. He is a wealth of information and a very nice guy who is extremely well prepared for this deep dive into Joe's life. His passion for sharing the story of his friend, Joe Morello, makes this a special episode.

    Here is Steve's website: http://stevefidyk.com/
    Be sure to check out Steve Fidyks latest album, "Battle Lines" which is streaming everywhere, but for information on how to purchase Steve's latest recorded effort, please visit www.bluecanteenmusic.com
    A portion of each sale is donated to Warrior Beat, an organization that helps Veterans that suffer from
    PTS and Anxiety. For more information, please visit www.warriorbeat.org

    Here are some links to Joe related content that Steve generously sent me:

    1. Joe Morello DVD that breaks down the approach we discussed in detail:

    2. Tribute homage of mine that I did for Modern Drummer:


    3. "The Great Drum Solo" that I referenced of Joe with DBQ:


    4. Joe on the Conan O'Brien Show performing Take 5:


    5. "Burning for Buddy" video performing with the Buddy Rich Band:


    6. We discussed his brush work with Marian McPartland. Here's a video for Hudson Music where he talks about approach:


    7. Take 5 with DBQ 60's:


    8. At the Playboy Mansion with DBQ performing Take 5 (slower tempo):


    9. The Take 5 Cymbal documentary/Greg Caputo/Memphis Drum Shop:


    Thanks for listening!

  • Learn the origins of this iconic book that is the most thorough and extensive resource for all things cymbals! Hugo tells us how he gathered all the information for the book and we learn tons of valuable tips and tricks along the way.
    While writing the book, Hugo was taken all over the world by the major drum companies who wanted to teach him the origins of the companies that we all know and love. That gave him a great understanding of the cymbal making process, the history of the companies, and countless other bits of information that he used to write The Cymbal Book.
    This has been on my to-do list for a very long time because of how important the Cymbal Book was for me to start the podcast. This is a fun one, you will definitely learn something new from Hugo.


  • John Sparrow is the drummer for the Violent Femmes and a die hard Slingerland enthusiast! This is a fun episode where we talk about Slingerland high points in the history of this great American brand, and also some low points through the decades as the company evolved and tried to keep up with the constantly changing world of music.
    John is an endorser of A&F Drums but has been a Slingerland fan since he was a kid starting by playing his dads Radio King's. We talk about the great Gene Krupa, Rolling Bombers, the feud with Ludwig, and highlights from the 30's to today. I find it very interesting that John really likes the 1990's era Slingerlands. I have never heard much about this time period before talking with him and he has great things to say about them!

    Check out the Violent Femmes here: https://vfemmes.com/

    Enjoy this episode!

  • Rob and Tony are the founders of the iconic American drum brand, GMS Drum Co. They were one of four custom-shop companies that started in the 1980's, well before the boom of boutique brands in the mid 2000's. It is a great story of an underdog brand exploding in popularity and how they kept up with demand!
    They are USA made drums that are known as some of the highest quality drums you can buy thanks to the extreme attention to detail. We learn about the origins of the brand and how they exploded in popularity in the 90's and became a regular sight on MTV with bands like Stone Temple Pilots using GMS. Tony shares his techniques for building and some very unique processes on creating snare drums, and Rob tells us some amazing stories such as James Brown picking GMS drums out of a line up of bass drums and commissioning them to build two drum sets for his 40th anniversary show at the Apollo.
    These guys are great and a lot of fun to listen to..enjoy this episode and check them out online at www.gmsdrums.com and on social media @gmsdrums

  • We learn about Ajax, Carlton, Hayman, Beverley, and Premier drums - just to name a few! We discuss pre and post war drums made in England, and the many similarities and differences between British drums and the classic American brands.
    Geoff is a renowned author and expert on the history of the drum set, with a special knowledge about British drums. We go through the full history of all these different brands that were at the top of the drum world for many years, and then disappeared as the American and Japanese brands took over the market. We learn about the horrible fate of some of these companies as the Nazi forces bombed England and they were forced to rebuild and start over. And also about the special relationship between England and the United States and how Jazz was one the most important exports of the USA that changed the world of music in the UK.
    Episode Edit - Geoff wanted me to mention: At 44’06”ish He said the Autocrat drums were made by John Dallas and Son (Jedson) where he meant John Grey.
    Geoff is the author of "The Drum Book", "The Drum Handbook", "John Bonham :Thunder of Drums" and more.
    Here is a link to Drum Book - Shop around a find the second edition second hand for under $10.
    Enjoy this episode!

  • Rudimental drumming first appeared in in the Swiss Army in the 1300's to set the tempo and communicate commands during battle, and then spread around Europe where it evolved and was eventually documented in 1588 as the first form of drum notation. It then continued across Europe, and eventually made it to America and evolved into the 26 Rudiments that we have today. This is just scratching the surface of what we learn from Mark Beecher in this episode!
    Mark Beecher is the president of the National Association of Rudimental Drumming, He is a long time performer of Fife and Drum Corps in Philadelphia and also an author and educator at Drexel University.
    Check out Marks website here: www.markbeecher.com
    and his youtube page here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOFIyWf8zhB8BeLCbubqOOQ
    Learn more about NARD here - http://nard.us.com/Home.html
    Enjoy this episode!

  • Jeff takes us back to the ice age where drums were made of turtle shells that were flipped over, had skin stretched over them, and then dried in the sun for tension. We then move forward through history and touch on many of the highlights in the fascinating history of drum tuning. Jeff also gives us tips and tricks on how to get the sound you want out of your drums in a quick and easy way, without overthinking.
    Jeff Davenport is a UK based drum tuning expert who is a regular fixture at drum shows giving seminars on how to quickly tune your drums, and be able to do it over and over again. He runs a great new youtube channel called "Drum Tuning Workshops" that you can check out here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmrotSD9zI-YS3zr7bD8xfw
    Find him on social media as well at @drumtuningworkshops

    Thanks for listening!

  • Barry James is the last living student of George Lawrence Stone (Stick Control, Accents and Rebounds) who still teaches the Stone technique. Barry is 81 years old and took lessons with Stone in 1957 in Boston College. He has had an amazing career and still teaches via Skype to people around the world.
    We learn what it was like to step into Stones Boston drum studio and learn from the author of one of the most beloved drum books in history, "Stick Control". Barry took his experiences and co-wrote a book with the great Joe Morello titled "Drum Lessons with George Lawrence Stone". It is a personal account on how to use Stick Control from two of his top students.
    This episode features tons of great information on Joe Morello - Stones Protege and legendary jazz drummer. This is the last book that Morello worked on before passing away.
    If you would like to take lessons with Barry James and learn from a direct student of stone, you can email him at barryjamesdrummer@gmail.com or call him directly at 321-297-3042 to set up a skype lesson.

    Here is a link to purchase Barry and Joe Morello's book, "Drum Lessons with George Lawrence Stone" - https://www.amazon.com/Drum-Lessons-George-Lawrence-Stone/dp/1470643391/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2KOFWU8YJUD53&dchild=1&keywords=drum+lessons+with+george+lawrence+stone&qid=1592532700&sprefix=lessons+with+george+lawrence%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-1

    Thanks for listening!

  • Charlie Watts is one of the most important drummers in Rock and Roll History. Mike Edison is the author of "Sympathy for the Drummer: Why Charlie Watts Matters" and he gives us a great in depth look at the importance of Charlie and the Rolling Stones on popular culture.
    Learn about the impact Charlie made on pop culture with The Rolling Stones and as a passionate jazz drummer. We discuss his personal life and his hobbies including his mega collection of drums, art, and all types of things. I have heard first had about this collection when I got to meet Charlie - It is unbelievable!
    Check out Mike's Website here:
    Purchase the book on Amazon:
    A really cool trailer for the audio book narrated by Mike:
    Here is a few Spotify Playlist's that Mike Made based around Charlies Influences and his drumming with the Stones:

    Enjoy this episode!

  • Did Premier secretly produce Ludwig Supraphonic shells in the 70's? Listen to find out! Founded in 1922, Premier is the most famous brand in British drum history and has a fascinating story. Mike Ellis is an expert on Premier and an avid restorer who shares the complete history with us plus tons of great stories along the way.
    Learn all about the comparisons between classic American brands and Premier through the brands evolution as they battled for market share, and inevitably what held Premier back from dominating the drum world. For one example, I was fascinated to learn that they produced Gun Sights during WW2 before the factory was bombed during the war.
    Mike Ellis is also known as "The Drum Fettler" and has a great youtube channel full of great restoration videos - check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeIdcGyqU23j1DIAiLPOFvA
    Enjoy this deep dive into Premier Drums!

  • We learn the role of drummers in the Military and the purpose they served as a form of communication and a way to keep the troops unified during battle starting with the US Colonies through to the Revolutionary War. Then we take a deep dive into the Civil War and learn all about the importance of the Fife and Drum Corp on both sides in the extremely bloody war that divided the country.
    Patrick Jones is a Fife and Drum Corps expert and regularly performs with Camp Chase Fifes and Drums at events all over the country. He also restores rope tension snare drums to exact detail. Patrick is a 5th grade history teacher and he does a great job of explaining all of these details so that people of any knowledge level of US History can understand this and learn a lot about Military drumming.
    Check out Camp Chase Fifes and Drums website at: https://www.campchasefifesanddrums.org/
    and find them on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/user/pjdrums96/videos?view=0&shelf_id=0&view_as=subscriber&sort=dd
    A big thank you to Mark Robertson for connecting Patrick and I and being a Patron of the show and a good friend!

  • Rob tells us the story of the postponed 2020 Chicago Drum Show and what we can expect in 2021. He also tells us about the 30 year history of the show going back to year one with some great stories along the way. We also chat about drum legend George Way and fill in some gaps in his history that has been covered in previous episodes on Way.
    This is an unprecedented year for many things around the world, and drum shows are no different. Rob was faced with a tough decision but I think he made the right choice to keep everyone safe.
    This episode also fills in info about George Way that is to supplement a previous episode with Ronn Dunnett title "Legacy of George Way" and Rob's previous episode titled "The Leedy Way".

  • (You do not need to have listened to part 1 to enjoy this episode) Part 2 covers the role of working drummers starting in the 1960's with session drummers, then Rock and Roll superstar's, through the 80's monster drumsets and up to modern times.
    Matt is a brilliant historian and educator, and he brings us a very fun and relaxed conversation about this amazing history of how drummers survived and worked throughout history. We cover interesting bits such as why you cant copyright a drum beat, why you drummers rarely get as much writing credits as other musicians, and how things slowly changed over time.
    We are discussing chapter 5 of Matts book "Kick It: A Social History of the Drum Kit". You can purchase the book here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/kick-it-9780190683870?cc=us&lang=en&
    Be sure to use promo code "AAFLYG6" to save 30% at checkout.
    Matt will be speaking at the 2021 Chicago Drum Show, I will post more details on social media as it draws closer. He was supposed to speak at the 2020 show but that was cancelled due to Covid-19.
    Part 1 is episode 36, go back and check it out if you haven't listened yet. You will love it!

  • Andy Zildjian is the president of Sabian Cymbals and takes us on a very fun journey through the history of the company that dates back to its founding in 1981 by his father, Robert Zildjian. This episode features tons of great information about his famous family in general and we discuss the factors that caused the split in the family and become the iconic Sabian cymbals that we know today.
    We learn all about how Robert Zildjian founded the company and how much of a visionary he was as a business man and used his international smarts to help Sabian come out of the gate as a major player in the cymbal company in the early 80's. Andy is continuing his fathers legacy by innovating and keeping the company on the cutting edge of cymbal technnology.

    Enjoy this episode!