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Fresh off 2 days of Config in-person conference, Davy talks with PJ about his time IRL, and talk about what they thought about feature releases, and what we might have expected.
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Pre-Config episode, Davy and PJ follow up our last "Just Say No" episode with an ep about design system fatigue. As a service team, how do we maintain the good graces, and continue to help designers produce the best work. It all starts and ends with a design culture that promotes early communication with the your design system frens.
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When you're on a team of one, or fully staffed team with design and engineers, you'll soon have to shift some of your yes responses, to no. Davy and PJ talk how this at times trickles in through contributions, something that was an exciting concept in early days, but can get harder to manage as demand scales.
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Davy and PJ go over their favorite Davy and PJisms, their versions of design principles that they have been following them around through several design roles over the years.
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We had such good traction on one of our first episodes, we decided to bring on another friend of the program, Donnie D'Amato to talk about design technologists, where they should sit in the org, and how we can use them as designers to be our best helping hand.
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It's a design system emergency! Our updates are no longer behind a somewhat blocking dialog in Figma. Davy and PJ had to jump on to talk about how this may help or not receive and adopt new system changes.
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Davy and PJ talk about the importance of standing up rituals, much like our product design partners, including, how might design system teams handle crits and office hours. How might a designer working at a Facebook leverage a feed, or a internal Facebook group, to share updates.
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We made it to our 2 year birthday and 50 episodes! We reflect in Davy's shift into back into IC at Meta, and PJ's shift from IC to Manager most recently at Pinterest, and how the roles differed for us in design systems.
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Davy and PJ talk about how to get into your first DS job, the answer being things to know OTHER than building components. On the second half of the pod, we flip to how to get into DS as a discipline as a product designer.
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As we approach 2 years, and 50 episodes, we recap this year and dive back into how AI changed some of our thinking this year, as well as what we would like to see out of the design systems practice in 2024.
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One theme that has been our mind working in large mega design teams, is how our product design teams handle outside, external POV, vs historical cannon. Davy and PJ discuss this, weaved in with how we like to evaluate potential solutions for our systems.
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With convos of relying on external services such as design system docs sites, Figma plugins, or analytics, we talk about our experience working in large teams with funding to build our own, vs utilizing third party services that can simply get you up and running immediately.
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Davy and PJ talk a little more in depth about support and the dangers of being a purely reactive design system team. How do you handle requests, and how to operate the program during times of duress.
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Listener question: DS team of one, and how to keep afloat and keep the program going. We touch on what you might want to focus on, and getting help as soon as you can so you can scale.
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We are back in your lives with a normal 1:1 with Davy and PJ about design system complexities, and how you might want to consider a system with less tokens, variants, and what it's like for Davy to manage 149 components on web alone.
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We have a friend of the program, Cintia Romero from Pinterest to talk about her work leading the accessibility design and education programs that has been now consumed by hundreds of designers.
You can view the Pinterest docs site at:https://gestalt.pinterest.systems/
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Recorded with @disco_lu a few months ago, Davy and Luis go rapid-fire on various design system hiring, component-building philosophies, and training. See below for timestamps.
(1:25): How Davy got started in DS
(6:00): Package my narrative as DS designer
(7:00): How to posture yourself to obtain your ideal position
(8:34): How to utilize existing job postings internally mentioning DS to get into your ideal position
(11:43): Davy’s way to cope with current layoffs
(13:05): Shift to more community in DS in the last few years
(14:05): How do we open the door for greater collaboration vs governance
(15:34): Merging with another team, how do we navigate
(17:04): How do you deal with change and keep working moving along
(18:16): How do you operationalize the merging of teams, files, ceremonies
(20:44): Where does design ops and product management intersect
(21:55): How do we deprioritize the pixels and prioritize planning
(26:10): Refactoring to infinity when not tied to a specific timeline
(29:05): Clear business objective around brand updates
(29:45): Sometimes even with apps like gmail, it takes a while to roll out updates
(30:44): Uber components that can do anything, is this the right method for most
(32:44): Design and engineering parity
(35:54): Separating components to be distinct use cases so you can see what you’re getting.
(36:55): Thinking tactically like an engineer
(37:40): File Hygiene
(38:28): Training and education and how to use your system as intended
(40:15): Watching people is the best way to learn
(41:22): Regular open office hours for any role
(41:51): Telling people what you’re working on and what’s coming
(43:12): Writing posts to talk about your work
(44:40): Collecting resources and learning together
(45:38): Doing a demo and going first to show best practice. Lead the way.
(47:23): Working an understanding how a specific component use case, doing a live design session.
(48:23): Systemizing training vs having 1:1s.
(49:00): Whether you need a design system
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Happy 40th episode birthday. We talk about moving fast vs designing and building with intentionality, and naturally the convo led morphed into a half episode about ways of partnering with product designers, and how we work on our systems at Meta and Pinterest.
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With DS being table stakes on lots of product design teams, and even job postings, we talk about whether you need one, or whether your efforts should be scaled elsewhere. What are you really getting yourself into when you start this journey..
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This was a special LIVE RECORDING at The Future of Design Systems conference hosted by @IntoDSConf. Friend of the program @rominadesigner takes over as host. We talk about what hard skills are important to have (building components), and the novel idea of interviewing specifically for systems thinking.
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