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Episode #80 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast provides valuable insights into the data center industry from the perspective of Aaron Casey, President of Tubbesing Solutions. Listeners will learn about Aaron's unexpected career journey that led him to the data center space and his advice for young people interested in pursuing technical roles. The discussion also covers Tubbesing Solutions' innovative Lunch and Learn education series, the challenges of balancing education and sales goals, and the evolving power and density requirements shaping the future of data centers. This episode is a must-watch for anyone seeking to understand the critical role of trusted advisors and solution providers in the dynamic data center ecosystem.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:34 Introducing Aaron Casey, President at Tubbesing Solutions
1:01 The Career Journey to Engineering Data Centers and Critical Facilities Power Solutions
3:47 Advice for Entry-Level Data Center Careers and Client-Facing Jobs
7:25 Often Overlooked Data Center Energy-Savings and Sustainability Gains with Motion Detectors and Solar
8:55 Advice for Mid-Career Data Center Professionals
10:55 Biggest Data Center Power, People, and Education Problems: Hyperscalers, School Districts, Hospitals
13:33 Educating Clients on Data Center Power and Mission Critical Facilities and Related Topics at Tubbesing
14:38 Tubbesing Lunch & Learn Series with 200+ Guests Hosted and 9 Technical Topics Covered
17:10 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
17:48 How to Start a Data Center Lunch and Learn Program (and the Biggest Challenge with Bringing Value)
22:41 Prioritizing Local Data Center Lunch and Learn Investment Over National Data Center Conferences
24:10 Managing Data Center Sales Team Expectations on Playing the Long Game with Educational Lunch and Learns
25:54 Hosting Your Own Data Center Events at Your Own Office/Training Facility
27:42 From Data Center Lunch and Learns to Data Center Webinars, Live Streams, On-Demand Video, and Podcasts
30:45 Changing Role of Data Center Sales Professionals as Educators and Trusted Advisors
34:05 The Future of Leading a Mission-Critical Services, Solutions, and Software Provider
37:20 Who to Interview Next on the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
38:36 Aaron Casey (Connect with on LinkedIn) and Tubbesing Solutions (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
39:10 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #79 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg tackles a variety of sales and marketing challenges facing the data center industry. You'll learn how a data center services and IT asset disposition company can generate more qualified leads, strategies for selling colocation, point-of-presence, and disaster recovery services to enterprise IT clients, and best practices for modernizing the sales and marketing approach for a data center construction company. Feinberg also covers tactics for tracking email engagement, marketing a small data center with limited space, and ensuring data center integration clients become referenceable. This episode is a must-watch for sales, marketing, and go-to-market professionals in the data center ecosystem.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast1:23 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
2:22 Agenda for Data Center Go-to-Market, Sales, and Marketing Q&A 25
3:42 How a data center services and IT asset disposition company can generate more highly qualified leads
20:02 How data center providers can sell to enterprise IT using colocation for POP sites and DRaaS
32:07 How a data center builder can modernize its sales and marketing
42:40 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
43:39 How data center providers can track emails for lead generation
1:00:16 How to market a small data center with only about 1400 sq ft available to lease
1:10:47 How data center integrators can make sure clients become referenceable after the experience
1:2:22 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
1:23:21 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #78 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg interviews Bhupinder Bhullar, the CEO of Swiss Vault, to discuss the concept of technical debt in data centers and the innovative approaches his company is taking to improve energy efficiency, sustainability, and data resilience. Bhullar shares his unique career journey, from genome sequencing to founding a startup focused on long-term data storage solutions, and provides insights on the challenges and opportunities in the data center industry, including the impact of AI and edge computing. Viewers will learn about the future trends shaping the evolution of data centers, as well as actionable advice for both young professionals and mid-career individuals interested in pursuing careers in this dynamic field.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
1:01 Introducing Bhupinder Bhullar, CEO at Swiss Vault
1:31 The Career Journey to Sustainability, Digital Infrastructure, and Data Storage
6:10 Tape Drives, JBODs, Converged Storage ⇒ Rack with Conventional Disks and Low Energy, Availability, and Compute
8:16 More Sustainable Way of Addressing the Data Center Storage Hardware Refresh Cycle
10:18 Trigger Events with AIand GPU-Driven Data Center Power Density Requirements and Edge AI Data Storage Efficiency
12:24 Advice on Entry-Level Data Center Careers and Jobs
15:00 The Problem with Data Center Racks ⇒ Modular Solution with More Sustainable Lower Energy Use
17:59 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
18:36 Advice for Mid-Career Digital Infrastructure Professionals
21:17 Outdated Data Center Infrastructure: Risk Aversion and Technical Debt with Energy Efficiency, Electronics, and People
26:26 The Future of Growing a Data Center Storage Startup: Sustainability, Modularity, and Edge Innovation
30:49 AI Impact on Leading Swiss Vault and Building Long-Term, Sustainable, Data Storage Solutions
34:24 Who to Interview Next on the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
39:53 Bhupinder Bhullar (Connect with on LinkedIn) and Swiss Vault (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
42:34 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #77 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg tackles a variety of challenges faced by professionals across the data center ecosystem. You'll learn strategies to improve brand reputation and trust for modular data center providers, tactics to help structured cabling companies close more deals, how to address special considerations for data center real estate brokers, and tips for explaining the modular data center mentality to steel construction companies. Feinberg also covers how global colocation data center designers can better plan their sales and marketing, and the importance of leveraging educational content and events to position the company as an industry expert. Whether you're in sales, marketing, or another go-to-market role, this episode is packed with actionable insights to grow your influence in the data center industry.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:50 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
2:51 Agenda for Data Center Go-to-Market, Sales, and Marketing Q&A 24
4:07 How a prefabricated modular data center provider can improve brand reputation and trust
16:21 How can a data center sales rep find the correct person
29:01 How a data center structured cabling company can close more deals
37:17 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
38:42 How a data center real estate broker can address special considerations
44:48 How to explain the modular data center mentality to a steel construction company
51:04 How a global colocation data center designer can better plan sales and marketing
1:05:18 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
1:06:15 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #76 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg interviews Loren Long, Managing Director of Clear Sustainability and Director of Sustainability at DIAL Digital Infrastructure Advisors. Loren shares his unique career journey and provides a deep dive into the critical sustainability challenges facing the data center industry. Listeners will learn about the key differences in sustainability approaches between Europe and the US, the growing importance of sustainability reporting and compliance, strategies for balancing profitability and sustainability, and the future role of sustainability in data center operations, marketing, and investments. This episode is a must-watch for anyone interested in the intersection of sustainability and the digital infrastructure space.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
1:31 Introducing Loren Long, Director of Sustainability at DIAL - Digital Infrastructure Advisors and Managing Director of Clear Sustainability
2:04 The Career Path to Being One of the Top Global Experts on Data Center Sustainability
5:10 Balancing Data Center Profitability and Sustainability Reporting (EU vs. US)
10:11 Nuclear Power and Sustainability with Data Center Operators and Hyperscalers
12:34 The Data Center “PR Problem” and Regulators, Elected Officials, Utility Companies, and Activists
16:23 Advice for Aspiring Entry-Level Data Center Career Seekers
22:56 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
23:33 Advice for Mid-Career Data Center and Digital Infrastructure Professionals on Sustainability
24:44 Data Center Sustainability Regulations That Will Impact Global Supply Chains
30:21 Comparing EU vs. New York and California Data Center Sustainability Reporting Requirements
31:34 What Data Center Sustainability Professionals Get Wrong: Fixes That Fail and Decarbonization Myopia
40:45 The Future of Data Center Sustainability Consulting
46:55 Who to Interview Next on the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
49:02 Loren Long (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DIAL - Digital Infrastructure Advisors and Clear Sustainability (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
50:18 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
Ep. #36 Rich Kenny, Managing Director at Interact -- Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
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Episode #75 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast covers various strategies to elevate your go-to-market approach. You'll learn how to create compelling content for data center telecommunications providers, achieve product-market fit for system simulation technology, drive more website conversions for lighting/energy companies, leverage customer personas for virtualized network services, position sales reps as trusted advisors, and reach key decision makers as a marketing/sales consultant. Gain insights to improve your sales, marketing, and overall business growth in the data center industry.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:48 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
2:40 Data Center Go-to-Market, Sales, and Marketing Q&A 23
4:00 How a data telecommunications network provider can create great content
17:59 How a data center system simulation provider can find product/market fit (PMF) for their technology
34:46 How a data center lighting and energy optimization company can drive more conversions
44:55 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
46:01 How a virtualized network and data center services firm can more effectively use customer personas
55:41 How data center sales professionals can use LinkedIn and email campaigns to gain credibility
1:09:42 How can a data center marketing and sales consulting firm reach decision-makers
1:18:04 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
1:18:49 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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(Note: When this podcast interview was recorded, Chris Pedersen was CEO and Founder of AP Advisory Group. Chris is currently a Data Center Broker at Avison Young.)In episode #74 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg sits down with industry veteran Chris Pedersen, CEO and Founder of AP Advisory Group. Chris shares his unexpected career path, from aspiring professional golfer to data center sales leader, and the valuable lessons he's learned along the way. Viewers will gain a deeper understanding of the evolving data center industry, the impact of emerging technologies like AI, and the importance of networking and relationship-building for success. Whether you're new to the field or a seasoned professional, this episode offers actionable insights that can help elevate your career in digital infrastructure.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:48 Introducing Chris Pedersen, CEO/Founder at AP Advisory Group
1:15 From Professional Golf to a Career in Data Center Sales
7:49 Advice on Entry-Level Data Center-Related Sales Careers
16:57 Mid-Career Advice for Data Center Sales Professionals
21:22 Building a Profesional Brand in Data Center Sales as a Content Creator
29:43 Future of Search vs. ChatGPT and IaaS Growth
34:59 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
35:36 Biggest Data Center Industry Mistakes and Oversights: Liquid Cooling and GPU Demand
40:22 Retrofitting Legacy Data Centers for Higher Density Needs
44:59 Data Center Consolidation M&A with Financially Healthy Colocation Data Center Operators
47:26 Career-Altering Data Center Sales Advice for Data Center Conferences
55:30 The Future of Data Center Sales and Consulting: AI Impact on Hardware, Mechanical Infrastructure, and Real Estate
58:00 Data Center Supply vs. Demand: Utility Grid Power Constraints, Design, and Reliability
1:00:16 Colocation Data Center Operators, Utility Company Partnerships, and Government Concerns
1:06:36 Who to Interview Next on the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
1:08:31 Chris Pedersen (Connect with on LinkedIn)
1:10:46 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #73 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg tackles some of the biggest sales and marketing challenges facing the data center industry. You'll learn strategies to improve end-user communications, increase lead generation for colocation and interconnection companies, grow revenue for infrastructure management software providers, implement effective data center segmentation, boost sales for infrastructure service providers, and close more deals for data center relocation companies. Whether in sales, marketing, customer success, or a leadership role, this episode is packed with actionable insights to elevate your go-to-market efforts.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:51 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
2:03 Agenda: Data Center Go-to-Market, Sales, and Marketing Q&A 22
3:37 How a data center infrastructure business can improve end-user communications
16:56 How a data center, colocation, and interconnection company can increase lead generation
30:03 How a data center infrastructure management software DCIM company can grow revenue
41:13 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
42:19 How to implement data center segmentation for sales and marketing growth
53:31 How a data center infrastructure service provider can increase sales
1:01:49 How a data center relocation company can close more deals
1:11:25 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
1:11:52 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #72 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg sits down with Maria Bergere, Head of Marketing at Delska in Latvia. Maria shares her career journey, from transitioning from the music industry to leading marketing at one of the largest data center operators in the region.
Viewers will learn about the significant changes and growth in the data center industry, the importance of building trust and reliability, and strategies for employee retention and career development. Maria also provides insights into Delska's rebranding process and the future of marketing in the data center industry, including the increased use of automation and the growing role of video content. This episode offers valuable perspectives for anyone interested in client-facing roles in digital infrastructure.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:57 Introducing Maria Bergere, Head of Marketing at Delska
1:19 The Career Journey to Head of Marketing for a Data Center Operator
7:57 Advice on Entry-Level, Client-Facing Data Center Jobs and Careers
11:30 Reaching Data Center Decision-Makers and Different Stakeholders
13:57 Data Center Account Executives as Trusted Advisors, Reliability, and Branding
19:08 Behind-the-Scenes on the DEAC to Delska Rebrand
26:05 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
26:42 Advice to Mid-Career Data Center Marketing, Sales, and Product Professionals
36:58 The Future of Marketing for a Data Center Operator
38:54 Keeping Up with Emerging Data Center Marketing Trends and Opportunities
46:48 Maria Bergere (Connect with on LinkedIn) and Delska (Follow on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Website)
48:06 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
#datacentergtm #dcsmi #datacenters #datacentermarketing #datacentersales #digitalinfrastructure #datacenterindustry #datacenterbranding #datacentercareers #datacenterjobs #datacenteroperator #delska #privatecloud #networkinfrastructure #colocation #datacentersolutions #edge -
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In episode #71 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, data center marketing and sales expert Joshua Feinberg shares proven strategies for closing sales faster and finding the right data center niches to avoid commoditization.You'll learn to adapt to the self-guided buyer's journey, leverage marketing and sales automation, build an impactful webinar and events program, and measure and optimize revenue growth.
Whether you're a data center operator, technology provider, or facilities company, these insights will help you stand out, attract the right clients, and scale your business.
0:00 Day Three of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
0:15 Recap of Day One and Day Two of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
1:33 Agenda for Day Three of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
2:14 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
6:53 5 Ways to Close Sales Faster With Your Data Center Leads
7:03 Biggest challenges with closing data center sales
8:09 Agenda for Close Sales Faster With Your Data Center Leads
8:52 Provide an Excellent Prospect Experience While Prioritizing Your Growth Goals
22:12 Segment and Personalize Based on Prospect Actions
32:31 Use Marketing and Sales Automation to Deliver Timely, Educational
37:13 Implement Sales Productivity Tools That Eliminate the Most Common Friction Points
38:00 Build a Full-Funnel Webinar and Events Program That Educates and Builds Trust
53:44 What’s your biggest takeaway from 5 Ways to Close Sales Faster With Your Data Center Leads?
54:32 Special Bonus Section Break
55:59 Ian McClarty, President at PhoenixNAP (How Data Center Sales and Marketing Are Changing)
60:54 Tsafrir Lahav, Vice President of Global Sales at AimBetter (The Future of Sales and Customer Success Roles)
68:08 Emily Newman, Marketing and PR Manager at NJFX (Future of Marketing and AI in Data Centers)
70:49 What’s your biggest takeaway from Ian McClarty, Tsafrir Lahav, and Emily Newman?
71:27 How to Find the Right Data Center Niches and Avoid Commoditization
72:10 What’s your biggest challenge with niches and avoiding commoditization?
72:18 Agenda for 10 Ways for Colocation Data Centers to Find the Right Niches and Avoid Commoditization
77:13 Provide Managed Services, But Not as an MSP
81:04 Assess Your Product/Market Fit
84:14 Get In Front of Today’s Colocation Buyer’s Journey
85:40 Analyze Your Competitive Positioning
94:30 Take Stock of Your Content Assets (or Lack Thereof)
97:03 Attract the Right Strangers
98:57 Generate More Highly-Qualified Leads
102:14 Accelerate More Opportunities
104:02 Scale Revenue Growth Across Both New and Existing Clients
106:22 Let Your Best Clients’ Data and Buyer Personas Dictate Niches
112:01 What’s your biggest takeaway from How to Find the Right Data Center Niches and Avoid Commoditization?
112:19 What's your biggest takeaway from Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart?
114:23 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
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In episode #70 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg sits down with Giuseppe Caltabiano, the Senior Director of Marketing at AVK. Giuseppe shares his insights on effectively combining branding and activation initiatives in the data center industry, adopting a full buyer’s journey marketing approach, and leveraging content marketing to build trust with technical buyers. He also provides valuable advice on navigating career transitions, integrating sales and marketing teams, and building a strong brand identity that resonates with your target audience. Whether you're a marketer, sales professional, or aspiring data center expert, this episode is packed with actionable strategies and best practices to elevate your go-to-market efforts.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
1:24 Introducing Giuseppe Caltabiano, Senior Marketing Director at AVK
2:03 The Career Journey to Senior Marketing Director at AVK
4:32 Schneider Electric, Content Marketing, Channel Partner Field Events at American Power Conversion (APC)
9:40 AVK’s Data Center Marketing Infusing More Aggressive B2B SaaS Marketing and Brand Refresh
18:58 Advice for Entry-Level Data Center Careers in Marketing, Sales, Product, and Channel
24:53 Data Center Go-to-Market for Self-Driven Buyer’s Journey and Increasing Role of Marketing
32:54 Data Center Thought Leadership, Sales Enablement, and Marketing Leadership
40:37 Data Center Sales and Marketing Alignment: Educating and Building Trust
42:15 Collaborating with Data Center Spokespersons, Thought Leaders, and Subject Matter Experts
44:32 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
45:09 Advice for Mid-Career Data Center Professionals and Former Coworkers (and SaaS Marketing Career Learnings)
56:17 Biggest Data Center Marketing Mistakes: Branding Foundation, Diagnosis, and Strategy Before Execution
68:14 Data Center Sales and Marketing Integration: Subject Matter Expert Interviews and Thought Leadership Content Teams
72:01 AVK CEO Company Culture and Executive Leadership Team Strongly Supporting Marketing and Branding Collaborations
75:24 The Future of Data Center Marketing: Strategic Narrative, Go-to-Market, and Increasing Marketer’s Role
79:23 Giuseppe Caltabiano (Connect with on LinkedIn) and AVK (Follow on LinkedIn, Website, and YouTube)
81:03 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #69 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, you’ll learn the strategies and tactics needed to modernize your data center lead generation efforts. You'll discover how to avoid the "vendor box" and position your team as trusted advisors, the importance of cross-functional collaboration on game-changing campaigns, and proven methods for measuring and iterating your lead gen programs over time.
Feinberg also shares insights on leveraging LinkedIn to reach key decision-makers, involving your sales team in content creation, and prioritizing accounts based on economic value.
Whether you're a seasoned data center marketer or sales professional, or just getting started, this episode is packed with actionable advice to help you generate higher-quality leads and accelerate the sales cycle.
0:00 Welcome to Day Two of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
0:39 Recap of Day One of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
2:02 Agenda for Day Two of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
3:14 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
4:55 Data Center Lead Generation 101
5:05 What's your biggest lead generation challenge?
5:43 Agenda for Data Center Lead Generation 101
7:15 Modernize Your Lead Generation Strategy
15:22 Provide the Right Kinds of Incentives
20:33 Overcome the Sales Stigma and Escape from the Vendor Box
22:23 Collaborate on Game-Changing Lead-Generation Campaigns
27:23 Accelerate the Sales Cycle
31:01 Focus Your Attention on the Most Impactful Lead-Generation
35:06 Measure What’s Still Measurable and Iterate
36:56 What's your biggest takeaway from Data Center Lead Generation 101?
39:59 Special Bonus Section Break
41:17 Brandon Peccoralo, VP of Sales, Voltage Park (formerly Head of BDR at DataBank) (The Future of Data Center Sales)
48:05 Cecilia Hjertzell, Chief Sustainability and Marketing Officer, T.Loop (The Future of Data Center Marketing)
54:16 What's your biggest takeaway from Brandon Peccoralo and Cecilia Hjertzell?
54:55 Data Center Lead Generation 201 (Getting to Decision Makers and Larger Sales)
55:05 What’s your biggest challenge with getting to decision-makers and larger sales?
56:33 Agenda for Data Center Lead Generation 201
57:02 Get Your LinkedIn Profile and Company Page Ready for Decision Makers
59:38 Grow Your LinkedIn Connections at Your Target Accounts
62:56 Spread Your Thought Leadership at Your Target Accounts
67:16 Attract the Decision-Making Committee for Larger Sales
75:20 Improve Lead Generation from Your Target Accounts
86:11 Close Larger Sales from the Decision-Making Committee
90:05 Expand Your Relationship with Decision Makers at Your Target Accounts
93:47 What’s your biggest takeaway from Data Center Lead Generation 201 (Getting to Decision Makers and Larger Sales)?
94:24 Special Bonus Section Break
95:14 Jonathan Evans, Director, Total Data Centre Solutions (Future of Data Center Sales, Marketing, Conferences)
100:55 Inese Pētersone, Data Center Product Line Manager, Delska (The Future of Digital Infrastructure Product Management)
103:54 What’s your biggest takeaway from Jonathan Evans and Inese Pētersone?
104:18 Data Center Lead Generation 301
104:28 What’s holding you back from crushing your lead generation goals?
104:52 Use the Right Terminology: Leads vs. Sales Opportunities
107:13 Transform Strangers into Known Leads
110:02 Reboot Your Positioning
112:08 Exchange Value (Deposit Into the Relationship Account)
114:14 Turn Your Website Into a Lead Generation Factory (For the AI Factory Era)
118:22 What’s your biggest takeaway from Data Center Lead Generation 301?
118:48 Recap of Day Two of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart?
119:07 Preview of Day Three of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart?
119:18 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
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In episode #68 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg sits down with industry leaders Stefan Frenzel and David G. to discuss the evolving data center landscape. Learn how Stefan’s and David's diverse backgrounds led them to become champions of sustainability and decarbonization in the sector. Discover the urgency for data centers to address challenges like AI, EVs, and grid capacity, and explore strategies for attracting young talent, especially women, to the industry. Gain insights on how consultants like Stefan and David advise companies to adapt their business models and embrace new technologies like liquid cooling and heat reuse. This episode is a must-watch for anyone interested in the future of the data center industry.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:59 Introducing Stefan Frenzel, Managing Director at DME and David G., Consultant at Impleon
1:29 Stefan Frenzel's Career Journey to Managing Director of DME and OCP Foundation (Open Compute Project)
2:55 David G.’s Career Journey to Impleon, Data Center Decarbonization, Sustainability, Heat Reuse, and Cooling
5:10 Digital Infrastructure Innovation and Global Ecosystems to Decrease Data Center’s Scope 3 CO2 Emissions
7:47 AI Carbon Production and Data Center Energy Usage with Sustainable Digitalization Standards
9:59 Data Center Industry Consuming Lots of Energy and Utility Grid and Water Constraints
11:53 Data Center Entry-Level Career Advice and Recruiting More Women into Data Center Jobs
23:22 Data Center Mid-Career Advice for a Rapidly Changing AI-Centric Industry
29:18 Role Models for Green, Sustainable Data Center Sites | Scope 3 Reporting Tools
31:21 Comparing Air-Cooled Data Centers vs. New Liquid-Cooled Data Centers (Driving Career Choices)
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37:23 Data Centers Built Where Low Land and Energy Costs, But Too Far to District Heating Grid
37:44 Underground Data Centers with IT Heat Digital Boilers
39:28 Data Center Operator as Utility Power Grid Contributor and Heat as Asset | Already Exists in France
43:19 Data Centers and Net Zero Carbon Emission Targets for Cities (Urban Areas Where Heat Needed)
44:56 Biggest Data Center Industry Mistakes: Missing Social, Environmental, and Circular Economy Pillars
49:48 Biggest Hyperscale Data Center Mistakes: Real Emissions Much Higher Than Declared
54:10 The Future of Data Center Consultants, Advisors, Communities, and Conferences
56:53 The Future of Data Center Consulting on Sustainability, Circular Economy, and Decarbonization
60:34 AI for Content Creation: ChatGPT, Video Recording Summaries
62:07 Favorite Tools: Client-Preferred Video Tools, LinkedIn (Sales Navigator), Email, and PowerPoint
67:35 Others to Interview: Julie Bolthouse, Elena Schlossberg, Deborah Andrews, John Laban, Henrik Borling
71:44 Stefan Frenzel (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DME (Follow on LinkedIn, Website, and YouTube)
72:32 David G. (Connect with on LinkedIn) and Impleon (Follow on LinkedIn, Website, and YouTube)
74:38 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #67 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg provides a comprehensive overview of essential data center go-to-market strategies. You'll learn how to adapt your sales process to support the modern buyer's journey, build a balanced go-to-market team, create relevant and competitive content using a video-first approach, and effectively market and sell to CTOs and CIOs. Gain insights from industry leaders on the evolving data center landscape and discover actionable tactics to position your company as a trusted advisor and subject matter expert. Don't miss this must-watch episode for data center sales, marketing, and go-to-market professionals.
0:00 Welcome to Day One of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
0:33 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
4:20 Agenda for Day One of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
4:55 Data Center Go-to-Market 101
6:12 What's your biggest go-to-market challenge?
6:54 Adapt Your Sales Process
12:10 Build Your Team
17:30 Connect the Dots
20:15 Get on the Radar Screen of the Right Buyers
26:15 Plan, Create, and Distribute Your Content
31:25 What's your biggest takeaway from Data Center Go-to-Market 101?
32:18 Special Bonus Section Break
33:36 Patricia Alvina, Sales Manager ASEAN, at Siemens (Future of Sales in Data Center and Digital Infrastructure)
41:19 Jon Clayton, Enterprise Account Manager at Blancco Technology Group (Future of Enterprise Account Managers)
44:40 What's your biggest takeaway from Patricia Alvina and Jon Clayton?
46:48 Data Center Sales Has Changed: Is Your Team Living In The Past?
47:00 What's your biggest sales challenge?
47:22 Agenda for Data Center Sales Has Changed: Is Your Team Living In The Past?
47:43 Prepare for Today’s Data Center Leads
55:05 Rethink How Data Center Sales Teams Prioritize
61:06 Reinvent Data Center Sales Professionals to Thrive in the AI Era
70:19 What's your biggest takeaway from Data Center Sales Has Changed: Is Your Team Living In The Past?
71:11 Special Bonus Section Break
72:28 David Rapoport, Chief Business Development Officer at ASOTO (Changing Role of a Chief Business Development Officer)
74:58 Viggy Hegde, Vice President of Marketing at Compu Dynamics (Future of Data Center Marketing)
80:14 What's your biggest takeaway from David Rapoport and Viggy Hegde?
80:54 How to Market and Sell to CTOs and CIOs (for Data Center Go-to-Market Professionals)
81:21 What's your biggest marketing and sales challenge with CTOs and CIOs?
81:58 Agenda for How to Market and Sell to CTOs and CIOs
82:27 Get Up to Speed on the State of CTOs and CIOs
90:56 Prepare Your Team for Today's Buyers
93:24 Engage Buyer Persona: CTO/CIO Oscar
97:40 What's your biggest takeaway from How to Market and Sell to CTOs and CIOs?
97:54 Recap of Day One of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
98:29 Preview of Day Two of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
98:59 Preview of Day Three of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart
99:16 What's your biggest takeaway from Day One of Data Center Go-to-Market 2025 Jumpstart?
99:28 What’s the video-first version of a whitepaper?
104:12 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
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In episode #66 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, host Joshua Feinberg sits down with Greg Ratcliff, the Chief Innovation Officer at Vertiv. Greg shares his unique career journey and insights into Vertiv's innovation process, from technology transfer to collaboration with industry organizations. Listeners will gain valuable advice for early-career and mid-career professionals looking to enter or advance in the data center industry. Greg also discusses the sector's major challenges, including power and water constraints, and how Vertiv is leveraging AI to improve efficiency. This episode is a must-watch for anyone interested in the future of digital infrastructure and critical facilities.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:50 Introducing Gregory Ratcliff, Chief Innovation Officer at Vertiv
1:11 The Career Journey to Chief Innovation Officer at Vertiv
2:33 The Difference Between Innovation and Engineering at Vertiv (And the Technology Handoff)
3:33 Lithium Batteries and Liquid Cooling in Data Centers (From Idea to a Vertiv Product)
5:00 Innovation Management Organizations: Innov8rs and UIDP (University-Industry Demonstration Partnership)
7:15 Advice on Entry-Level Data Center Jobs and Career Paths
9:26 Advice to Mid-Career Digital Infrastructure Professionals on the Data Center Ecosystem
12:12 How Military, Banking, Finance, Aviation, and STEM Drive the Data Center Engineering Talent Pipeline for Vertiv
15:04 Biggest Data Center Industry Challenges and Mistakes Being Made in Metro Areas by Big Data Center Developers
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17:53 Geographic Differences in Data Center Energy Management with Water and Power Constraints
19:56 Rethinking How to Measure Data Center Efficiency
20:56 The Future of Chief Innovation Officers at Vertiv in the Data Center Ecosystem (Planning and Strategy)
22:53 What Drives Vertiv’s Innovation Pipeline (Gina O'Connor at RPI: Scouts and Liasons)
26:48 AI Impact: Grammarly, Specialized Tools (IP Patent Searching), Perplexity Showing Sources
30:02 AI Coding Pilots at Vertiv | More Projects and Releasing Products Faster
32:29 Infrastructure Masons: Santiago Suinaga and Dean Nelson
33:06 Gregory W. Ratcliff | Connect with on LinkedIn, and Follow on LinkedIn and X with #innovation #Vertiv
34:28 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #65 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, you’ll learn proven strategies to overcome commoditization and fill your colocation data center space. Discover how to adapt your sales and marketing approach to the changing buyer preferences, including leveraging thought leadership content, events, and building relationships across the full decision committee. Gain insights on pivoting your business model to focus more on technology services versus real estate. This episode is a must-watch for data center sales and marketing professionals looking to drive more qualified leads and close more deals.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:18 Introducing 10 Ways for Colocation Data Centers to Find the Right Niches and Avoid Commoditization
1:10 How to improve colocation data center lead generation and lead qualification
5:58 How to fill and expand data center space
13:16 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
13:54 How to sell IT asset disposition (ITAD) to data center decision-makers
20:02 How to close colocation data center deals when struggling with commoditization
25:52 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #64 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, Joshua Feinberg interviews Jeremy Coyle, an account manager at MSA (Management Science Associates) in Pittsburgh. Jeremy shares his unique career journey from telecommunications to the data center industry, highlighting the advantages of working for a mid-sized provider with the resources of a larger organization. Viewers will learn strategies for building a successful sales career in digital infrastructure, including the importance of becoming a subject matter expert, adapting to emerging technologies like AI and robotics, and engaging with the local community. This episode also provides insights into the challenges and opportunities of selling colocation services, as well as the productivity tools and techniques used by an experienced sales professional.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:33 Introducing Jeremy Coyle, Account Manager at Management Science Associates
0:57 Career Journey to Colocation Data Center Sales as an Account Manager for MSA
2:15 From Telecommunications Carrier Sales to Colocation Sales
3:16 How Selling Colocation to the CTO, CIO, and CISO Has Changed
4:12 Advice on Entry-Level, Client-Facing, Digital Infrastructure Colocation Jobs
7:33 Mid-Career Advice for Data Center Sales Professionals Needing a Reset
9:31 Colocation vs. Telecommunications Average Deal Size, Sales Cycle Length, and Contract Length
11:11 Selling Colocation to Pittsburgh Robotics Startups and Scaleups with AWS Direct Connect
14:44 Biggest Digital Infrastructure Cost Challenges with NVIDIA GPUs
16:23 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
17:00 Future of Sales for Colocation Data Center Providers with Marketing, Infrastructure, and Power
17:54 MSA Colocation Sales Team of One with Resources of 500+ Person Data Analytics Company
21:18 Moneyball Lessons from the Consumate Utility Player in Colocation Data Center Sales
23:03 AI Impact as a Colocation Account Manager with Power and Cooling Capabilities
25:33 Pittsburgh Robotics Community Event and Three Mile Island Nuclear Power Conversations
28:55 Hosting Local Tech Events in MSA Facilities for Marketing, Brand Awareness, and Community Support
32:06 Favorite Tools for Data Center Account Management
35:48 Jeremy Coyle (Connect with on LinkedIn) and Management Science Associates (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
37:05 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #63 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, you’ll learn proven strategies for growing your data center solutions, asset liquidation, safety, and immersion cooling businesses. Discover how to increase brand awareness, position your team as trusted advisors, connect with key decision-makers, and leverage educational content to dominate your market. Whether you're a data center operator, technology provider, or facilities expert, you'll walk away with actionable insights to accelerate your company's growth.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
1:00 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
2:54 Agenda for Data Center Go-to-Market, Sales, and Marketing Q&A #21
4:21 How a data center solutions provider can increase awareness
17:38 How to prove that you're a data center subject matter expert and trusted advisor
31:47 How a data center asset liquidation and demolition company can get connected to decision-makers
44:27 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
45:27 How a global data center safety provider can find clients
54:09 How to start a data center business
64:45 Growing a data center commissioning business as a service delivery manager
69:54 How to grow immersion cooling business within data center and high-performance computing environments
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In episode #62 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, industry veteran Emil Sayegh shares his expertise on the evolving challenges and opportunities in the digital infrastructure space. Learn strategies for simplifying complex concepts, communicating the benefits of data centers, and attracting top talent. Discover how to navigate the public cloud vs. private cloud debate, leverage AI to enhance professional networking, and implement flexible hybrid work models. Whether you're a data center operator, sales and marketing professional, or aspiring industry newcomer, this episode provides actionable insights to drive growth and innovation.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:59 Introducing Emil Sayegh, Serial Tech and Data Center CEO at Profit Growth Insights
1:37 Career Journey to CEO in Digital Infrastructure and Managed Services
3:20 Public Cloud and SaaS GTM vs. Private Cloud vs. Premise-Based Client/Server (and Virtualization)
6:20 Career Advice for Entry-Level, Client-Facing AI, Data Centers, and Digital Infrastructure Jobs
11:00 How Changes in Data Center Designs Bring More Architecture and Industrial Construction Jobs
13:12 Role of Data Center Marketing and Go-to-Market for Building Trust with Community Stakeholders
15:33 Why Edge Data Centers: EV, Smart Cities, AI and Closing the Education Gap with Politicians and General Public
18:41 Mid-Career Advice for Data Center Professionals Pivoting into Adjacent, Lateral Job Opportunities
21:42 Addressing Data Center Recruiting and Retention Talent Shortages and Cross-Training
26:23 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
27:00 Upskilling with Data Center Technology Training and Mobility Within Companies
29:27 From Data Center Sales (AE, AM, or TAM) to Solution Architect or Product Manager
32:29 Addressing Data Center Power Scarcity Challenges Without Overbuilding Data Center Capacity
35:20 Purpose-Built Data Centers vs. Repurposing Existing Legacy Data Centers
36:57 Remote vs. Hybrid vs. On-Site Jobs in Digital Infrastructure, Data Centers, or Managed Services
40:41 Data Center Operator Sales AE Jobs, Data Center Tours, Co-Worker Fairness, and Company Culture
44:43 LinkedIn as the Always-On Trade Show with AI Writing and Editing Support
49:36 Building a Personal, Professional Data Center Brand on LinkedIn as a Thought Leader
51:31 Emil Sayegh (Connect with on LinkedIn) and Profit Growth Insights (Website)
53:54 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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In episode #61 of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast, you’ll learn proven strategies to grow your data center business. Discover how to identify the right target customers for a telecommunications provider, reach decision-makers as a data center marketing consultant, and leverage a digital infrastructure investment firm to impact sales cycles. Get tips on driving cloud adoption, uncovering unmet market needs, and building brand awareness as a BIM startup. Whether you're in sales, marketing, or a data center executive, this episode is packed with actionable insights to elevate your go-to-market approach.
0:00 Coming up In this episode of the Data Center Go-to-Market Podcast
0:56 Introducing Joshua Feinberg, CEO at DCSMI
2:14 Agenda for Data Center Go-to-Market, Sales, and Marketing Q&A #20
3:28 How a telecommunications company can find the right data center customers
13:43 How a data center marketing and sales consultant reaches decision-makers
23:13 How a digital infrastructure investment firm can impact sales cycles for data center business
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29:18 How can a data center hosting, connectivity, and cloud provider get clients to move to the cloud
38:32 How a data center wire and cable company can Identify and address market needs
46:51 How building information modeling (BIM) startups gain brand awareness in the data center industry
56:45 Joshua Feinberg (Connect with on LinkedIn) and DCSMI (Follow on LinkedIn and Website)
57:32 Subscribe to the Data Center Sales and Marketing Newsletter (DCSMI)
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