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    Adrenalin-junkies unite and listen in to our favorite, Bill Baird. Stunt planes to dirt to asphalt ovals, bill has done so much. Join us for episode 269 and hear Bill’s story!. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    6:33 – Sturgis, KY was the second school in the US that was integrated after Little Rock. Third grade, I went to school with 1200 National Guard troops around.

    14:03 – Never been to a racetrack, I’ve never seen a race before in my life, I was a fish out of water.

    17:17 – Somewhere between 98 and 99 I started understanding everything about the race car.

    23:27 – I picked up the car up from Shannon and drove back to Oklahoma to race; but Shannon’s car had a kick to it!

    34:35 – I’ve been in Moab 17 times…what got me going out there was retracing my dad’s life while he was out there.

    41:58 – I got out of it when you couldn’t run Tire Balls anymore; I had a single-seat car, I’m 56 years old, I couldn’t handle a tire by myself.

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    We had an opportunity to attend a fundraiser earlier in the year for Wingshooters.org and it impressed me so much, I had to get the founder/CEO on the podcast. Greg McClelland shares his story and how he finds solace in the woods. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    2:29 – It’s humbling to see the support from folks who, honestly, don’t have any skin in the game at all

    8:36 – I was taught to respect fences, but if there weren’t any fences, I just assumed that it was free

    13:34 – My roommate dared me to come with him, I didn’t want to be a cop. I ended up doint it on a fluke and just kept passing these interviews, even though I was half insubordinate and pretty cocky.

    22:28 – The outdoor recreation, hunting, being in the woods, gun smoke, campfire and bro time, talking sh*t. It makes me feel better. It’s got to help these same guys, right?

    28:20 – My goal is to build a network of like-minded organizations where we can plug folks in.

    40:33 – Anything any organization can do, as long as it’s honorable and for the right reasons, man, I’m all for it; any way we can partner and help, I’m glad to do it.

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    Self-described, average trail wheeler, Jon Larson, shares the insights that he’s gained with 25 years of running Cherokees. If you ever wondered how you could get involved in off-road, Jon shares his path. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    5:59 – Dude, did you know that mom and dad were in a cult? I was like, I don’t think it was a cult.

    11:18 – I pretty much have OCD when it comes to XJs, I know every part on the XJ by heart, every bolt-size by heart.

    22:46 – I remember some high-speed chases late at night, going through private property, where someone came out with spotlights in some big pickup truck and chased us for 10 miles.

    32:41 – I think the Scout was the only rig I’ve ever sold that I made money on.

    38:56 – I would go to Pick and Pull and take things apart and figure it out. That was my own little personal learning class..

    46:03 –I would grab a 30-pack, a buddy or two would come over, and we would part out a whole Cherokee, chop-shop style in 10 hours

    1:16:05 – There are private landowners on the Rubicon, 40% of the Rubicon goes through private property, Common people like me don’t know that.

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    This week’s guest may have a weak connection to off-road, but that string is still attached. James Patience is an ambassador for Bikers Against Bullies, and their message is clear – know who you are! I couldn’t think of a better man who knows. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    4:05 – I think you look back and realize that a lot of what you become as an adult is created when you’re younger

    11:50 – I truly believe that everything in the world is a pendulum. If it’s pushed one way, it goes back the other way with equal force

    20:04 – I went to work every day. And I learned that…so when you don’t have balance, and you don’t have structure, you have to find something as an anchor. That was work for me.

    27:21 – I can be average and stay where I’m at, or I can kill it and move forward; and it’s the exact same investment for me. Why not move forward?

    36:53 – Imagine like a chocolate Easter Bunny. You pour the chocolate in the mold and you spin it around, and then once it dries, you pull it out. That’s what we do with these tanks.

    47:53 –I have to find a way that nobody can boss me around because of money

    52:11 – It’s not about stopping the bully, it’s about being able to control yourself in those situations so things don’t affect you.

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    Dirthead_Dave from the Dirthead Shed joins us for Episode 265. Let’s talk about building cars from hot rods to offroad, Join us and support the other Dave Chappelle. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    4:46 – The off-roading is the one thing that’s stuck and put me on the map the most

    9:37 – Saturn was its own little weird community, compares to the girls with their IG handle on the side of the hood

    15:32 – I ended up sabotaging the Sentra so it wouldn’t pass smog because my dad didn’t want me to get a mini truck, he knew I’d be broke forever after that

    24:00 – Got my first Jeep in 2005 and that was the kickoff for all the stuff I’m doing now

    30:05 – I told them I’d prep the Bronco and haul it to the start of UA if I got to go, that’s how I weaseled my way in there

    48:20 –right now, it’s just wide-open throttle, pushing YouTube and trying to grow my brand

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    Super spotter, Steve Hastings, was smooth, smooth, smooth. A driver in his own right, he spent a lot of his career as Jason Bunch’s spotter. OG rockcrawler who got started in the 60’s behind the wheel of his dad’s CJ5, Steve has seen a lot of rock. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    5:44 – Two pillows behind and two pillows underneath and low, low, low gear

    15:23 – I’m one of Craig’s disciples, one of those rigs he bought high and sold low

    29:12 – More like a lot of tequila and a lot of tacos

    35:40 – Jason’s wife called and said, “Jason was a basket case, don’t you ever leave him behind again!”

    42:36 – We’d look at an obstacle and find the hardest spot, then work backwards to get the right line

    51:04 –we weren’t looking for fast, we didn’t care if we finished in nine minutes and 59 seconds, as long as we finished. Smooth, smooth, smooth was our battle cry

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    Part Two. Stories so big we need two episodes to tell them! Jason Bunch of Tri-Couty Gear has a storied history and he shares it with us. Rockcrawler, racer, business man, enthusiast, Jason’s been part of the OG crowd. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    7:06 – For once, I’m the guy, not the guy on the outside of the fence, I’m the guy on the inside.

    19:08 – Damn, why didn’t anybody tell me I was doing that?!

    24:14 – I owe a lot to learning about mechanical things and driving different vehicles.

    31:42 – I’m on Junkyard Wars, right? And they had us build a land speed vehicle/rockcrawler that could be a boat!

    48:01 – I’m screaming at them, “the k*ll switch, the k*ll switch!”.

    54:34 –At one point in my life, I had race face where I was pissed off because I wasn’t winning, I was taking it too serious.

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    Stories so big we need two episodes to tell them! Jason Bunch of Tri-Couty Gear has a storied history and he shares it with us. Rockcrawler, racer, business man, enthusiast, Jason’s been part of the OG crowd. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    4:47 – We’d take about everything trying to make them faster, we’d grind the rod on a lawn mower and hold it wide open to see if we could make it blow up

    16:08 – A cop rolls up and goes, “this brings new meaning to shade tree mechanic!”

    21:04 – my Flat Fender had a healthy 350 in it and a 300 shot of nitrous oxide in it. It was fast.

    30:59 – One night we clocked ourselves going through Sledge Hammer, did the whole trail in 51 minutes and one beer stop included.

    36:25 – I watched Steve work with people and I thought, I need that guy for something, but I don’t know what.

    46:34 –I used all of my knowledge of Jeeps and the things I’ve done to build that Jeep, no blueprint, just all in my mind.

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    King Randy Slawson kicks off Season 6 of Conversations of Big Rich – that’s episode 261. Hear about the sheltered kid who turned his aggression to the rocks. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    5:49 – I was extremely sheltered, kept away from the world until I got married and moved to California

    12:11 – my dad was busy and he wasn’t into mechanical anything, so I didn’t have somebody to mentor me and teach me how to do stuff

    19:34 – Seven of us went in five rigs and wheeled the Rubicon, if I wasn’t hooked before, I was definitely hooked after that.

    27:47– At the time, I was way into the Toyota scene, I’d had 20 different Toyotas, most of them basket cases.

    37:59 – I knew Marlin, but not well; I took him out to check out a weird noise, he was like, “Oh, Randy, I can’t believe the stress this transfer case is under. Oh, Randy…”

    42:21 –I don’t want to call myself a know-it-all, but I just think that I can do it better.

    46:34 – More power, more speed, that spoke to me. That was my style.

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    Today’s guest is probably the greatest competitive rockcrawler in the history of the sport. Get to know Tracy Jordan and how he became the GOAT! Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    4:22 – everything was around hunting and fishing, it was one-on-one time with our dad

    13:46 – I bought an FJ40 and wanted to do a lift, power steering, a few things…then got an invite out to a trail, and it was off and running from there.

    20:13 – That’s where ‘Air Jordan’ came about is that obstacle and there was a controversy

    28:39 – You never stop learning. I loved watching Joel, Don, the Curry’s – just their different techniques and learning from them

    34:15– Durham had the same style as Shannon and Mike Palmer, just total, no fear on all the climbs

    50:29–I only have two timelines, and it’s my rockcrawling timeline and my kid’s timeline, that’s my only references in time.

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    What do you get when you cross a tennis playing, stunt bike rider with a Rock Zombie? Answer: Phil Licciardi, shock-tuning master. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    3:33 – they had the Green Police, I got pulled over for pushing my bike to town, they tried to hold my dad off at gunpoint, and he wasn’t even mad yet!

    9:41 – the film, The Firm was based on a guy who owned the company my dad worked for, the controlling aspects of this guy were crazy

    17:48 – I definitely got a PhD in partying!

    21:48 – “How did you learn to fab?” Just did it, I went and got a Home Depot weld pack 100 Fluxcore machine and just started doing crappy work.

    32:44 – the thing about sport bike stunt riding is you either get good pretty quick or you die trying.

    49:23 –I left KOH saying, there is no way in hell I’m ever getting involved in that situation. Two months later, Doug called, “hey, so you want to build an Ultra4 car?”

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    Co-founder and CEO of Warfighter Made, Rob Blanton is a retired Marine serving as a volunteer for his non-profit organization full-time. The mission of Warfighter Made provides recreation therapy to ill, injured and combat-wounded service members and veterans. Listen to how he and the others got there. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    8:27 – Adversity builds mental toughness

    16:06 – I’m the proverbial if your friend jumps off a bridge, will you? Yeah, four of my friends jumped off a bridge, so I joined them.

    22:23 – The good news, I can make you a Marine, the bad news is you don’t qualify with these test scores – for anything!

    31:58 – the best memories were really the worst stories, just overcoming adversity

    36:12 – I was awarded the Silver Star for that action in Iraq, it’s our nation’s third highest award for valor

    42:52 –…that was the catalyst to start Warfighter Made

    47:19 – When I retired from the Marines in 2014, I immediately became a full-time volunteer for the organization.

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    It all began with a Craigslist ad for Josh Reynolds. Today, Josh has taken the reins of Fly-N-Hi Off-Road while continuing to nurture his passion and contributing to the off-road community. The shop, known for its expertise in Jeep modifications and custom builds, has become a hub for enthusiasts looking to push the limits of their vehicles. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    4:53 – I moved to Alaska as a mountain guide for a long time as a professional skiing and climbing guide on some of the biggest mountains in the world

    8:14 – There was a Craigslist ad for the Baja 1000, it said, do you want to come experience the Baja 1000, and I’m thinking – Hell, yeah, who doesn’t?

    16:20 – I just brought that Mustang down last week, to rebuild the carburetor

    22:37 – I’ve had every Jeep in the world, CJs, YJs, TJs, an LJ and more

    31:09 – We had eight batteries, and we’d come into the pit and change the battery, I’d carry it in my lap because the alternator didn’t work

    46:37 –so, literally, the whole thing started from Craigslist

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    An off-road enthusiast turned competitor, Aaron Armstrong is the man responsible for the WE Rock event site in Bagdad, Arizona. A man with a vision. Join WE Rock March 1 and 2, 2025 at the best cul de sac in AZ. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    6:48 – I was always trying to find dirt in California to make jumps on

    11:13– my first car was a 1987 Toyota 4-runner, since then I’ve had five 4-runners

    19:53 – I went down the wrong path, got wrapped up into drugs and alcohol and quickly found myself homeless and out of a job hanging out with the wrong kids – something in my head said, “This is not your life.”

    29:56 – One night we were talking, and I was like, “you know what? I Think we should move back home to Arizona.”

    39:29 – We went to the Put Up or Shut Up in Congress in 2007, stood out in the rain all day and could not take my eyes off what those vehicles were doing!

    56:49 –I hit up the General Manager at the mine, and said, Have you ever seen a rockcrawl? No, what’s that, so I took him out and showed him my vision.

    1:09:11 – One of the things that I believe in and that the mine believes in is continuous improvement. That’s what we’re doing to the event site.

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    We last checked in with JT Taylor three years ago, so much has changed. If you saw the announcement of a new race at Area BFE on Big Saturday, you want to listen in for the deets. JT spills it all!. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    6:45 – 284 acres outside of Tulsa that goes up against the river and US Army Corp of Engineers land with 26 miles of trails

    12:12– they got hit by a trophy truck in a silt bed north of Loreto; broke the right rear of the car, but we changed it all out and still beat the competition by two hours

    18:29 – We built the Nissan as a practice car for the Coronet, I have to learn to drive fast in two-wheel drive on asphalt again.

    28:32 – We go out to Rednecks to help Derek and the guys run the races, we got Rugged Radio to donate a bunch of headsets, it was a game changer

    30:56– ***ALL THE DEETS HERE*** Rock race at Area BFE on Big Saturday during EJS

    55:19 –Entries open on March 1

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    The engineer’s curse is strong with this one. Brennan Metcalf brings all kinds of goodies to the off-road world. Listen in to a fascinating discussion of mods and parts. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    5:40 – One of the last summers I was up there, my stepdad came and sat next to me right when he got done haying, and I almost went to the hospital

    17:03– I wasn’t really into college that much – ended up doing an on-again, off-again; started into wildland firefighting

    27:32 – I’m sitting there with the doc and he goes, “let me see your good knee” I give him the uninjured knee and he’s like, no, no, let me see your good knee.

    31:41 – Now, I just get to do, at least right now, I just get to do what I want and that’s building stuff

    41:05– “let’s talk about these 300 projects, what is it that ticks in your brain to come up with stuff?” I call it the engineer’s curse

    55:06 –I branched off into doing some off-road recovery gear

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    Hunter Miller has come a long way since dirt bikes and ATV’s to CanAms capable of racing Dakar and King of the Hammers. Join us for a great conversation of how a boy progresses from two wheels to four. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    4:44 – When I was two years old, we went camping on a compound where wolves were raised…

    9:34– we were racing Oklahoma and the cops showed up and shut the whole thing down

    21:09 – that’s one of the attractions of the Hammers, one year a trail is easier, the next year it’s terrible

    27:30 – I started paying attention to Dakar in 2020 when Casey Curry went over there, but I didn’t really grasp it until this year

    41:02– every time I walk, I turn the wrong direction, but I’m super confident about it! I’m confidently wrong!

    48:17 – I flew home like a rockstar, my brother is having breakfast at Casey Curry’s and someone said, jokingly, “why don’t you stay and run 4400?”

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    Sometimes, you meet a guy and just know he’s the real deal. As genuine as they come, Nick Cimmarusti has carved out a space for himself in off-road. Whether you see him on the trail sharing his knowledge with others, or in the shop doing the same, Nick will never lead you astray. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    5:33 – “make sure you don’t leave the keys in the golf cart, or else, he’ll steal it!” I was three years old

    11:31 – I got into auto shop, and then it was all over from there – it’s been all automotive from there

    18:09 – yeah, it was assault with a deadly weapon, battery with intent to do great bodily injury, and inciting a riot.

    28:32 – that’s how my life’s been, as soon as I make something really nice, it gets destroyed

    32:11– What came first – Jeepers or Barlow?

    38:50 – A lot of things happened in 2016 – Fire Academy, Certification testing and Emily Miller called.

    49:27 – it’s a lot of overcoming being uncomfortable in the sand and figuring out what what you can and can’t do

    56:52 – The story goes…I met Mike in the middle of the night under the moon to have him give me his wife’s pantyhose

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    When you combine art and off-road, you wind up with Rory Ward. A fan since early days, Rory made connections that allowed him to combine his passions and thrive. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    5:37 – my dad would get Hot VWs magazine and I’d always look up the races, I missed being around that, even at 8-10 years old

    18:29 – Ivan (Stewart) was the one that really got me going with the artwork.

    21:54 – OMG, I don’t want to be a bellman for 30 years!

    27:39 – I’ve got to thank Rob MacCachran, I did some shirts for him and he’s like I’ve got a business proposition for you.

    35:58 – I’ve been really fortunate to race some historical race cars with some historical racers

    40:29 – I built a four-seater in the 2000s and the artwork is what built it. I traded a lot of art for parts.

    52:20 – My forte is the history, I can help with the history of off-road. I’m the self-proclaimed curator for all these off-road cars, and I absolutely love it.

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    Most of our podcasts are full of stories, but not many cover the globe from end to end. Patricia Upton and her husband, the late Loren Upton, have completed expeditions that most of us only dream about. Patricia is still adventuring. Listen closely, the trips have twists and turns in countries many of us have never heard of. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

    7:02 – I don’t remember being afraid of spiders until we were in Okinawa

    15:42 – I was in Panama for 17 years. I got off the plane down there and said, okay, eternal summer, this is where I need to be.

    25:06 – That’s when the spark for me to go full-time with the expedition with Loren

    31:14 – Loren was away when he got word that Larry had been shot and killed.

    41:45 – He wanted a romantic high adventure in the classical sense of an expedition

    52:30 – Nowadays, you can’t get anywhere near the plaque that says you’re at the furthest road south on the African continent

    1:00:33 – that night, near the Nile, was the only night of the entire trip that we were faced with the reality that we got out butts someplace that could be pretty bad

    1:17:14 – we worked because we were desperately out of money

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