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Van and Lyle jumped on the mic to record some stuff for Bang-Bang, but started off just musing about what just happened in the presidential election. This is their wide-ranging conversation, which explores why Kamala Harris lost, American fascism, India-China rivalry, and where Democrats go from here.
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Arguably the most successful revolutionary film of all time, Gillo Pontecorvo’s The Battle of Algiers boasts many legacies. For film buffs, its import derives from its landmark status in the pantheon of Italian neorealism and political cinema. For anti-imperialists, its value comes from its hardnosed but sympathetic depictions of armed struggle. And for imperialists or right-wing strongmen, the film has been deployed as a realistic guidebook for counterinsurgency. Van and Lyle relate these competing readings to the War on Terror and the latest debates around Gaza, Palestine, and liberation.
A Savage War of Peace (1977), by Alistair Horne
Discourse on Colonialism (1955), by Aimé Césaire
The Wretched of the Earth (1961), by Franz Fanon
“Negroes are Anti-Semitic Because They’re Anti-White” (1967), by James Baldwin
“Open Letter to the Born Again” (1979), by James Baldwin
On Violence (1970), by Hannah Arendt
“No regrets from an ex-Algerian rebel immortalized in film” (2007), Interview with Saadi Yacef
“The Communists and the Colonized” (2016), Interview with Selim Nadi
Hamas Contained (2018), by Tareq Baconi
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine (2020), by Rashid Khalidi
Battle of Algiers Trailer
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“We tortured some folks.” Katherine Bigelow and Mark Boal’s blockbuster on the leadup to Bin Laden’s assassination was alternately ballyhooed and panned upon its release. Fans praised its purported cinematic achievements while critics lamented its alleged militarism or pro-torture sympathies. What’s remarkable today is the attention it received in all directions, perhaps a universal attention no longer possible in a society so fragmented and lost. Van and Lyle try to make sense of the movie as a contested event, and what its ambiguous ending might tell us about what came next. They also recall where they were when Obama ordered Seal Team Six to pull that trigger.
Further Reading
Alfreda Frances Bikowsky, Wiki Entry
Michael Scheuer, Wiki Entry
Imperial Hubris (2004), by Michael Scheuer
“Fake CIA Vaccine Campaign” (2014), by Todd Summers and J. Stephen Morrison
Reign of Terror (2021), by Spencer Ackerman
Subtle Tools (2021), by Karen Greenberg
Homeland (2024), by Richard Beck
Zero Dark Thirty Trailer
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Screenwriter Bruce Joel Rubin (no relation to Lyle) claims the first scene of Jacob’s Ladder was inspired by his own sense of being stuck in a rut, and the prevailing premonitions of doom that came of that. But the work itself comes off as something just as social as it is private, and even as a unique if at times blind-spotted meditation on U.S.-led violence and impunity. Van and Lyle explore the virtues and limitations of this genuinely anti-war film, as well as what the classic dark trip tells us about the American past and present.
Reading List
Jacob’s Ladder, Wiki Entry
The Stranger (1942), by Albert Camus
The Mersault Investigation (2015), by Kamel Daoud
Poisoner in Chief (2019), by Stephen Kinzer
The Deaths of Others (2011), by John Tirman
Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims (1979), Edward Said
Jacob’s Ladder Trailer
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Song credit: “Dumpster Fire,” by The Great Heights Band, feat. Rauli V.
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Lyle had been serving as a marine officer in and around the Helmand province for about five months before Rolling Stone published “The Runaway General” (June 2010), the explosive profile of General Stanley McChrystal and his entourage. Michael Hasting’s account led to the general’s immediate ouster as NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) commander in Afghanistan, and in 2012—about a year before the journalist’s own mysterious death—Hastings published The Operators, his book-length version of the same story. War Machine is the darkly satirical rendition of that book, and Van and Lyle have much to say about the movie’s didactic critique of counterinsurgency and implied critique of empire.
Reading List
The Operators (2012), by Michael Hastings
“The Runaway General” (2010), by Michael Hastings
“Who Killed Michael Hastings?” (2013), by Benjamin Wallace
American Cipher: Bowe Bergdahl and the U.S. Tragedy in Afghanistan (2019), by Matt Farwell and Michael Ames
The Afghanistan Papers (2021), by Craig Whitlock
Human and Budgetary Costs of the U.S. War in Afghanistan (2022), Watson Institute
“Democracy Doesn’t Come in a Box” (2019), by Lyle Jeremy Rubin, et al.
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In 2011, the combat cameraman Miles Lagoze arrived in Helmand province, Afghanistan, tasked with manufacturing propaganda-friendly visuals and audio. In 2018, Lagoze released Combat Obscura, his documentary bringing together 70 minutes of recorded footage of his fellow marines, all originally left on the cutting room floor. The result was inconvenient enough for the U.S. government that it threatened (but ultimately abandoned) legal action. Van and Lyle discuss the film’s most endearing and vicious moments, as well as everything in between. They also reflect on their own roles in the war machine around the same time.
Further Reading
Whistles from the Graveyard (2023), by Miles Lagoze
No Good Men Among the Living (2014), by Anand Gopal
“The Other Afghan Women” (2021), by Anand Gopal
“The Afghan Women Left Behind” (2022), by Rozina Ali
“‘How Did This Man Think He Had the Right to Adopt This Baby?’” (2022), by Rozina Ali
“The Civilian Casualty Files” (2021), by Azmat Khan, et al.Song credit: “Dumpster Fire,” by The Great Heights Band, feat. Rauli V.
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Welcome to Bang-Bang! A show about war movies, with an anti-imperialist twist. The hosts—Van Jackson and Lyle Jeremy Rubin—are military veterans, antiwar advocates, and lovers of film.
In every episode, we grapple with the pain, humor, and contradictions of our war-addled culture. Our medium for that exploration happens to be war films we all know and love (and sometimes hate).
This teaser from our first episode—where we dove into a 2018 documentary called Combat Obscura—hopefully gives a sense of our vibe.
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