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For Cole Bush, life as a shepherd is more than a job—it’s a calling. As the founder of her own grazing business in Southern California, she's using livestock to help restore land, reduce wildfire risks, and promote better agricultural practices. At the same time, she’s using her knowledge to train the next generation of pastoral graziers through the Grazing School of the West.
We’ll dive into her journey, sharing the insights she gained along the way about the co-evolution of humans, animals, and our environment. Cole’s work is changing the way people think about grazing, and today, she’s here to share how livestock can be a powerful tool for healing the land.
In this episode, we cover:
- An introduction to prescribed grazing - using sheep and goats to benefit local ecosystems.
- The history of pastoralism in California and how plants, animals, and people have co-evolved.
- Pastoral strategies to build fire resilience.
- The importance of learning from ancient indigenous practices
- Training the next generation of graziers through the Grazing School of the West.
- And much more...
Learn more and get in touch with Cole at Sherpherdess Land and Livestock and the Grazing School of the West.
Follow her on Instagram:
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@grazingschoolofthewestMore about Cole:
Cole Bush, known for bringing the practice and ancient vocation of shepherding to Southern California, is an entrepreneur, advocate, and creative liberator in the fields of climate-beneficial agriculture, land stewardship, and prescribed grazing. With over a decade of experience, Cole has developed and managed prescribed grazing projects on thousands of acres of private and public lands throughout California for ecological enhancement and fire hazard reduction. Guided by her drive for meaningful work Cole is passionate in supporting others to find vocational pathways for non-traditional agrarians.
She is the founder of Shepherdess Land and Livestock Co. - a prescribed grazing company based in Ojai, California, Shepherdess Holistic Hides - a purveyor of mindfully sourced sheep hides, and Grazing School of The West - a non-profit 501(c)3 multidisciplinary vocational training program for the next-generation of graziers.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller of You Should Have a Podcast, who also wrote our theme song.
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In the 1990s, the success of the US organic movement seemed undeniable. Demand for healthy, chemical-free produce skyrocketed amidst public health concerns and a growing environmental consciousness. As a consequence, many small organic farmers could make a real living selling healthy produce and restoring farmland in the process.
In the decades since, however, the story has gotten much more complicated.
Corporate co-optation, lax government oversight, and splinters within the movement itself have created a new set of challenges for organic farmers and activists - challenges our guest today is helping lead the fight to overcome.
Dave Chapman is a lifelong organic farmer, and Co-Director and Board Chair of the Real Organic Project, an organization dedicated to reigniting and reconnecting the organic movement. In this episode, he takes us through the history of the organic movement, where it is today, the differences and similarities between organic and “regenerative”, and where the movement can go from here.
In this episode, we cover:
- The history of organic, tracing its roots from indigenous practices to modern day agriculture.
- The original definition of organic and the fight to maintain those core principles through the Real Organic Project.
- The longtime debate over certification and institutionalization.
- The organic boom, the entrance of Big Food into the marketplace, and the challenge of enforcement.
- “Regenerative,” and the risk of cooptation of any new label.
- The difference between building brands and building movements, and an insight into what that movement can look like.
- And much more...
Learn more about Dave and the Real Organic Podcast at the Real Organic Project.
More about Dave:
Dave Chapman is a lifelong organic farmer who runs Long Wind Farm in Vermont. They grow the best tasting organic tomatoes in the country in the fertile soil underneath a glass greenhouse. He is the Co-Director and Board Chair of the Real Organic Project, dedicated to reigniting and reconnecting the organic movement. He leads the Real Organic Podcast, providing a platform for many organic farmers, eaters, scientists, authors, educators, activists, and chefs. He was a co-founder of Vermont Organic Farmers in 1985, and was among those first certified by the USDA’s National Organic Program in 2003. He served on the Policy Committee of the Organic Farmers Association for 6 years. He also served on the USDA Hydroponic Organic Taskforce. He has worked for years as an advocate for reform of the National Organic Program. He has met with Secretary Vilsack seeking reform of the organic program. His latest project is the creation of the Tomato Masterclass, a training for farmers working to create a stronger economic base for their market gardens. In his spare time he practices tai chi to stay sane and healthy.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller of You Should Have a Podcast, who also wrote our theme song.
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Carlyle Stewart is living many of the core ideas behind Agrarian Futures. Like many of us, he grew up without a close connection to farming or our agricultural landscapes, but that didn’t stop him from taking a massive leap to move across the country and establish himself as a skilled cattle rancher. He fuses these skills with wise-beyond-his-years thoughtfulness about what it means to steward the land, lift up rural communities, and confront the complicated - and often violent - history of westward expansion and ranching.
This conversation is bursting with insights from his time spent on the land as well as his background in divinity school and as a community organizer.
In this episode, we cover:
- Carlyle’s eclectic journey from Detroit, to divinity school, to life as a cattle rancher.
- Finding purpose, meaning, and satisfaction through a deeper connection with the land.
- The ins and outs of ranching and managing cattle in a regenerative fashion.
- The challenges of building a sustainable economic future in ranching and creative ways of getting the next generation back on the land
- The importance of a more direct relationship with your food.
- Reconciling the complicated, violent history of western expansion and ranching, with the importance in stewarding these landscapes.
- New approaches for communal land ownership and stewardship to support rural, black, and indigenous communities.
- And much more...
You can follow Carlyle on Instagram.
More about Carlyle:
Carlyle Stewart, originally from the Metro Area of Detroit, Michigan. Is a teacher, minister, writer, rancher, horseman, and land manager. His first major exposure to ranching in the intermountain west was through the Quivira Coalitions New Agrarian Program. He has worked on various cow/calf and yearling operations throughout Montana and New Mexico. He is in the process of developing his own grazing operation that will be centered around his passions for agricultural mentorship and healthy land stewardship. He is currently living and working in Northern New Mexico.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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Russell Wallack and team at Breadtree Farms are some of our favorite kind of people - the kind who not only imagine a different future for our communities and our planet, but put in the work to turn that vision into reality.
In this wide-ranging conversation, Russell walks us through the history of the chestnut tree in North America, which once made up over a quarter of all trees in the eastern US, and how they are harnessing its potential as a keystone crop for regenerative farmers once more.
In this episode, we cover:
- The story of Breadtree Farms and its unique position in US agriculture
- The story of the chestnut fungal blight and why chestnut trees basically disappeared in the eastern US
- Re-building the organic chestnut market and the potential for domestic hickory oil
- What goes into transitioning conventional annual crops to chestnut and hickory trees
- Russell’s advice of getting into farming and agroforestry
- The future of funding agroforestry projects in the US
- Why you should reach out to your regenerative heroes
- And much more...
Learn more about Breadtree Farms.
Follow them on Instagram.
More about Russell:
Russell is Breadtree’s founding farmer, but he is just one of 6 full time members of the Breadtree team, and of over 200 people who have helped this young business to plant over 15,000 chestnut and hickory trees across over 220+ acres in New York. After working in utility-scale energy efficiency, Russell made the jump to food systems work and agroforestry in 2014. He believes chestnut trees — an ancient staple food across the temperate world — play an integral role in recreating an agriculture of place; he has dedicated the past 8 years to creating a viable business centered on the growth of a regional industry for this tree crop. He has consulted internationally with multi-billion dollar food supply systems, advised the European Commission on regenerative agriculture policy, and worked with leading regenerative agriculture organizations to impact thousands of acres.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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This week we were delighted to be joined by Briana Warner, CEO of Atlantic Sea Farms, a regenerative seaweed farming company based in Biddeford, Maine.
Briana walks us through the wondrous potential of kelp to help secure the economic future of fishermen along the coast of Maine, protect our oceans, decarbonize our supply chains, and introduce a nutritious and affordable food source into the broader American diet.
Her work explores many of our favorite themes on this show - climate change adaptability, rural revitalization, the brass tacks of launching a business in the regenerative food space, nutrition, and long term economic security for the people that grow and harvest our food.
In this episode, we cover:
- How her experience with “preventative economic development led her to kelp farming on the coast of Maine.
- The rise of the conservation minded lobster industry and how that lays the groundwork for a US grown kelp industry to diversify economic opportunity for fishermen.
- The environmental volatility that threatens the long term future of the lobster industry and how our predictive capabilities fail in the face of climate change.
- The massive potential industry for a US grown seaweed market.
- The challenges of being a first mover in the food industry and how they’re overcoming it.
- Why they chose a for-profit model over non-profit
- The challenges of finding the right kinds of funders, the lack of funding for female entrepreneurs, and holding firm in the face of outside pressures
- And much more...
Learn more about Atlantic Sea Farms.
Follow them on LinkedIn and Instagram.
More about Briana:
Briana Warner is the President and CEO of Atlantic Sea Farms (ASF), the leading commercial kelp aquaculture company in the United States. Following a career working overseas as a diplomat for the U.S. Department of State, she saw an opportunity to help create a more resilient and thriving coast by partnering with fishermen seeking to diversify their income in the face of climate change by growing kelp and building an entirely new market for domestic kelp. The ASF team and partner farmers now account for the majority of the farmed kelp grown in the US and are proving that by putting farmers, planet, and people first, a company can drive a market and can do well while doing good.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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For those who have followed regenerative agriculture anytime over the last three decades, this week’s guest needs no introduction. Jenni Harris is the Director of Marketing at White Oak Pastures, a six-generation farm in Bluffton, Georgia that transitioned from conventional to regenerative agriculture in 1995 (long before it was cool) and have laid the path for scores of farms to follow suit.
They have even gone so far as to found the Center for Agricultural Resilience, which educates, empowers and equips individuals & organizations on the benefits of resilient agriculture.
It’s a remarkable story and one - as Jenni explains - that other agrarian locales around the country can emulate, while accounting for the unique factors that make up each local environment.
In this episode, we cover:
- How Jenni’s search for community led her back to Bluffton and her family farm
- The history of Bluffton, and the work they’ve done to restore and revitalize the town
- The origin story of White Oak Pastures and how her dad, Will, saw the need to transition to regenerative practices that improved animal welfare, restored local ecosystems, and created a new stream of income for the farm
- The difficult financial realities of farming today, and how they’re working to make White Oak Pastures financially sustainable into the future.
- The threat to US regenerative farmers posed by “greenwashing” multinational corporations and lax policies for labeling imported foods
- What they’re doing to support more US farmers in transitioning to regenerative practices that are tailored to specific localities.
- What’s at stake for the world if we don’t transform our food system
- And much more...
Learn more about White Oak Pastures here.
Follow them on Twitter and Instagram.
More about Jenni:
Jenni Harris, Will's middle daughter, is a member of the fifth generation of the Harris family to tend cattle at White Oak Pastures. After living on the farm her entire life, Jenni went to Valdosta State University and earned a degree in Business Marketing, graduating in 2009. She remained intimately involved in the family business throughout her studies.
After graduating, Jenni set out to learn the industry. She moved to Atlanta where she interned at Buckhead Beef, a SYSCO company. She put in time in every department, from shipping and receiving to the cut shop, and was later hired to work as a sales associate.
In June of 2010, Jenni returned home to Early County to work for White Oak Pastures full time. As the Director of Marketing, Jenni spends her time focusing on the balance of ecommerce growth and wholesale relationships. Jenni is the proud mother of Jack and Lottie Harris and wife of Director of Specialty Products, Amber Harris.Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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When it comes to building a robust regenerative agriculture movement, it takes more than just farmers. Cole Allen of Grass Fed Valley is pitching in in his own way by leveraging years of experience in the financial world to help regenerative farmers solve their most pressing business challenges.
We discussed the importance of local context and farming knowledge when advising clients, and dig into what it would take for the financial system at large to begin to properly value the ecological benefits provided by regenerative farming practices.
In this episode, we cover:
- How health challenges and a cross country odyssey inspired Cole to quit his job in finance and start working in regenerative agriculture
- The importance of the local context of each farmer when making business decisions
- The challenger of valuing the ecological benefits of regenerative agriculture in our current financial system
- The emergence of new kinds of funders who are prioritizing ecological health
- Why their services encompass much more than just fundraising
- The opportunity to reconnect people with the land and how that can shift perspectives
- And much more...
More about Cole:
Cole Allen is a generalist working across the fields of finance, business development/strategy, real estate, health and nutrition, hospitality, entrepreneurship and regenerative agriculture. He founded Grass Fed Valley (GFV), a company serving Farmers focused on regenerative practices and impact through various business, financial, and marketing/branding services. Cole spent four years traveling the US meeting, connecting, and learning from these Stewards of our Soil. The company’s mission is to "Inspire our children to be Farmers and reignite our passion for the living world". Prior to GFV he worked as a business development/strategy manager at a Fortune 500 real estate company and at an investment bank as an equity research associate. He graduated from the University of Virginia with concentrations in Finance and Accounting, is a current CFA charter holder and certified Nutritional Therapy Practitioner.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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In this conversation, Peter Allen of Mastadon Valley Farm challenges everything you think you know about climate change, eating beef, and the potential for food abundance grown regeneratively on the land. He brings a unique perspective as both a seasoned academic ecologist and someone with practical experience creating a profitable regenerative farming business.
In this episode, we cover:
- How Peter made the jump from academia into full time regenerative farming
- How management and stewardship of the land by indigenous people brought about the rich topsoil in the midwest - and how we’re quickly destroying that
- The environmental value of a savanna ecosystem, and how they’re going about restoring it
- The short term challenges - and long term advantages - of farming regeneratively
- Why eating regenerative beef is actually good for you and the environment
- How each of us can restore our land through our diet and purchasing choices
- The potential for layered commercial enterprises on the land for greater profitability and efficiency
- How the conversation around climate change disempowers people to make change, and why we should talk more about ecosystem restoration.
- And much more...
More about Peter:
Peter is an ecologist-turned-farmer and applies his background researching and teaching ecology and complex systems science towards the design, restoration, and management of diverse and agriculturally productive ecosystems. He owns and operates Mastodon Valley Farm, a 220-acre regenerative farm in Southwestern Wisconsin where he has built a timber-frame homestead from the farm's trees, planted thousands of fruit and nut trees, and grazes cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, and poultry across their fertile valleys, steep hillsides, and restored native prairie pastures. Peter and his wife Maureen grow their family's food on their homestead where they are homeschooling their children nestled in a grove of oak trees. Peter combines his background with over a decade researching and teaching ecology and complexity science together with over a decade of experience farming regeneratively to provide unique and effective consulting and educational opportunities, helping people design, build, and manage diverse, ecologically functional, and economically profitable agroecosystems.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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In our increasingly technology-driven and urbanized culture, who hasn’t fantasized from time to time about getting out of the hustle and bustle, moving to the woods, and reconnecting with the natural world? Today we’re joined by Daphné Rose Courtés a horse logger in rural Quebec who has done exactly that.
In this conversation, Daphné gave us a picture into the day to day life of her and her horse, Fred, which showcases a true agrarian lifestyle in 2024. She is an inspiring example of someone who has followed their own intuition and embraced difficult, but fulfilling work back on the land.
In this episode, we cover:
- How Daphné found her way from Paris to working as a horse logger in Quebec
- Finding the beauty in both rural and urban life
- Exploring her close bond with her horse, Fred
- The importance of finding a good mentor
- The ecological benefits of horse logging vs conventional
- The challenges of being one of the few woman horse loggers
- The horse logging community and how they welcomed in Daphné into their ranks
- How someone could get into horse logging themselves
- And much more...
More about Daphné:
Daphné was born and raised in Paris and she started riding horses at a very young age. After moving to Quebec, she did a three year program in growing organic fruits and this is how she met Paul Chaperon and his family during an internship. He became her mentor and gave her the opportunity to use horses everywhere on a farm. From doing loose hay, logging, seeding, plowing and much more, it revealed her passion for working horses. She started her own small-scale logging business after buying one of her mentor’s horses, Fred. Using a single horse, the goal of her new project is to harvest wood in an ecological and thoughtful way.
Interested in learning more about horse logging? Check out the Draft Animal Power Network's podcast here.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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Today we are joined by Kristina Villa of the Farmers Land Trust who is confronting one of the most intractable challenges and deepest inequities within our food system today: Land access and tenure.
Kristina shares her remarkable journey that has culminated in launching her own organic farming business and founding an organization that enables emerging regenerative farmers to gain access to arable land that then can be held in community for generations rather than going back into a commodity market that favors traditional development.
In this episode, we cover:
- Kristina’s story and how her childhood reliance on food banks led her to organic farming and launching the Farmers Land Trust
- The importance of thinking about land transition to help aging farmers pass on their legacy
- Why we’re meant to farm in community
- Layering enterprises to get more people back on the land
- Crowd-sourcing land acquisition
- Addressing inequity in land access, ownership, and tenure through a farmland commons strategy
- How anyone can start their own community land trust
- Kristina’s advice for getting into farming from a non-farming background
- And much more...
More about Kristina and the Farmers Land Trust:
Kristina Villa is the Co-Executive Director of The Farmers Land Trust, and is a farmer, communicator, and community coordinator who believes that our connection to the soil is directly related to the health of our bodies, economy, and society. With over a decade of farming, communication, and fundraising experience, Kristina enjoys using her skill sets to share photos, stories, and information in engaging ways which help to inspire change in human habits and mindsets, causing the food system, climate, and overall well-being of the world to improve. Kristina has spent the last several years of her professional career saving farmland from development and securing it in nonprofit land holding structures that give farmers, stewards and ranchers long-term and affordable access and tenure to it. Most of her work in the land access space has focused on equitable land security for BIPOC growers, addressing the inequities and disparities in how land is owned and accessed in this country.
Find the Famers Land Trust on social media at: Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn, X, Youtube
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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It's no secret that conventional farming is wreaking havoc on America's farmland, but is it really economically possible to convert conventional row crop farms to a regenerative approach that heals our planet? And how can the concept of an agrarian help foster stronger ties between rural farming communities and the cities they feed?
In this first episode, we dig into the answer with someone who's done it: Josh Payne of Rusted Plowshare Farm shares the story of how he and his sister Larin transformed their grandfather's corn and soy row crop operation into regenerative pastureland complete with sheep and cattle, microgreens, and over 30 acres of chestnuts.
In this episode, we cover:
- What it means to be an Agrarian
- How they transformed their farm from conventional row crops to regenerative
- Caring for each other through disagreement
- The concept of the "hinterland," and how to create stronger ties between urban and farming communities
- Keys to establishing regenerative pastureland
- And much more...
Learn more about Josh, Larin, and their farm here.
Agrarian Futures is produced by Alexandre Miller, who also wrote our theme song.
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Welcome to Agrarian Futures, a podcast exploring a future centered around land, community, and connection to place.
Join hosts Emma Ractliffe and Austin Unruh as they chat with farmers, philosophers, and entrepreneurs reimagining our relationship to the land - and to each other - to showcase real hope and solutions for the future.
