How do laws actually get better? Learn with two lobbyists as they go deep with a legislator on each issue on a particular policy they have changed. Dan Johnson and Tom Suffredin have both been elected politicians and work as lobbyists, drafting bills, negotiating with opponents and finding a path to make things better. Each guest shares how they got started and one policy they are proud of changing, offering an example for listeners to improve the laws in a similar way in their government.