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Elizabeth Tsurkov returns for another Conflicted Conversation. This time, the conversation turns to Israel after October 7th. Elizabeth traces her own political journey from the Israeli right to a hard-won humanism, then explains how Israel’s old security doctrine collapsed — and why the new one may lead not to safety, but to permanent war.
Elizabeth and Thomas discuss:
Israel’s security doctrine after 7 October
Israel’s shift from deterrence to pre-emption
Why deterrence without a political endgame failed
Gaza, Hamas and the limits of military victory
Hezbollah, Lebanon and Israel’s buffer-zone strategy
Israel’s new "buffer zone" security perimeter
Iran’s missile threat and Israel’s war with Tehran
The Abraham Accords, IMEC and bypassing Palestine
Why real Israeli fears may be producing the wrong answers
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Aimen returns to bring us up to date on all the latest manoeuvrings in the Middle East.
Aimen and Thomas discuss:
Trump’s chaotic, micromanaged Iran diplomacy and reliance on inexperienced “real estate” advisers.
Pakistan, Qatar, Oman, Turkey, and Egypt as flawed or compromised mediators with “skin in the game.”
Why Aimen thinks Switzerland would be the proper neutral US–Iran mediator.
Oman’s tilt toward Iran amid assumptions of American decline and future Iranian regional weight.
The UAE–Saudi split over Iran: Emirati hawkishness versus Saudi caution and strategic bruising.
Saudi resentment over Yemen, Houthi attacks, Israel’s freer hand, and lack of US security guarantees.
Israel, Hezbollah, Lebanon, and Iran: efforts to decouple the Lebanon front from the US–Iran track
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Hamza Abu Howidy returns for another Conflicted Conversation. Last time he appeared, he told us his personal story of growing up in Hamas-ruled Gaza, how he was imprisoned and tortured by Hamas for speaking out against their oppression, and how he entered into exile in Germany just before the 7 October attacks changed everything.
This time he switches from Gaza to the West Bank, telling Thomas all about the other side of Palestine — a side which goes overlooked, but which is increasingly becoming a zone of almost unbearable conflict.
Hamza and Thomas discuss:
Settler violence as settler terrorism
How Israeli settlements undermine the Oslo process
Settlement expansion as a strategy to prevent a Palestinian state
The shift from a two-state ideal to a one-state reality
The Hardal movement and Smotrich’s political world
The Hilltop Youth: origins, ideology and violence
The dual legal system in the West Bank
The Yehuda Shmuel Sherman incident and the revenge attacks that followed
E1 and the threat to a viable Palestinian state
The West Bank economy after 7 October
Palestinian municipal and national elections
Israeli elections and the lack of hope for political change
Israel’s post-7 October security doctrine
The Board of Peace and the problem of Hamas disarmament
Arab disillusionment with resistance ideology
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Because Aimen is still away, we’re taking this opportunity to introduce you all to our executive producer Jake Warren. A journalist and programme-maker, Jake not only had the idea for Conflicted, he is also the founder of Message Heard, the company that produces the show.
Jake and Thomas discuss:
Conflicted’s origin story
Jake’s Hungarian-Jewish grandfather who escaped on the Kindertransport
His early work for Vice Media in North Korea, Rwanda, and Lebanon
How he won the trust of notorious Islamist preacher and organiser Anjem Choudary while covering his story
Visiting the family of murdered soldier Lee Rigby
How Jake first came across Aimen’s story
How Thomas and Aimen became friends
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In this latest Conflicted Conversation, Thomas talks with Tory MP Sir Jeremy Hunt. Over fourteen years of Conservative government, Hunt served as Culture Secretary, Health Secretary, Foreign Secretary and Chancellor of the Exchequer. But in this discussion, Jeremy draws especially on his eventful year running the Foreign Office to argue against Western defeatism and to make the case for liberal democracy.
Sir Jeremy discusses:
The view from inside power during Britain’s 2010–2024 crisis years
Britain’s imperial inheritance, post-Brexit identity, and the “Global Britain” problem
Trump’s 2018 NATO shock and Hunt’s case for higher European defence spending
China, Russia and Iran as the new autocratic challenge to liberal democracy
Yemen and the Stockholm Agreement as a tragic test of humanitarian diplomacy
Iran, hostage diplomacy, the JCPOA and the limits of Western coercive power
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Is Donald Trump mad? Or is he a practitioner of the Madman Theory — and therefore not mad at all?
James D. Boys, author of U.S. Grand Strategy and the Madman Theory: From Nixon to Trump, argues that the Madman Theory is not madness, but the performance of madness: a tactic by which a sane leader feigns irrationality to make an adversary believe there is even a one percent chance of overwhelming, disproportionate force.
In this new Conflicted Conversation, Boys explains:
What the Madman Theory means
Donald Trump, unpredictability and Trump Derangement Syndrome
Nuclear strategy, Eisenhower, and Cold War brinkmanship
Barry Goldwater, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the politics of nuclear fear
Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger and the Madman Theory in Vietnam
Trump’s use of Madman tactics against North Korea, Iran, NATO and trade partners
Whether Trump’s second-term grand strategy is chaos, coercion or calculated geopolitical pressure
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Aimen is back with a huge amount of behind-the-scenes information on what’s been happening in the Middle East in the past three weeks—especially on the real reasons the UAE withdrew from OPEC, and what’s been going on inside Donald Trump’s head as he tries to chart a course to victory in the Iran War.
Aimen and Thomas discuss:
The recent discovery of HUGE shale oil reserves in the UAE
The Mar-a-Lago deal the UAE struck with Trump
Why the recent OPEC shake-up had NOTHING to do with Saudi Arabia
The truth about UAE and Saudi attacks on Iran
Did the UAE, Saudi, and Qatar really beg Trump not to resume the war?
How Iran’s military capability remains STRONGER than people think
The corruption behind Pakistan’s mediation efforts in the Iran War
The benefits and liability of Trump as a War Leader
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas talks to Marc David Baer, Professor of International History at the London School of Economics, about his new book Children of Abraham: The Story of Jewish-Muslim Relations.
Marc discusses:
The recent stabbing in Golders Green, North London
The myth of utopian co-existence and the counter-myth of total antagonism
The earliest encounters of Jews and Muslims in Arabia
The Qur'an's mixed messaging about Jews
The reality of Sharia dhimmitude laws
Jewish-Muslim relations in the Khazar Kingdom, in Al-Andalus, and in the Ottoman Empire
Colonialism and the rupture of Jewish-Muslim relations
Antisemitism, Islamophobia, and Jewish-Muslim solidarity today
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As we eagerly await Aimen’s return to Conflicted next week, today Wassim Nasr returns to the show. As only Wassim can, he draws on his expertise of the Sahel to explain the remarkable events in Mali over the past several weeks — events which Aimen forecast on the show back in January.
Wassim explains:
France’s failed counterterrorism strategy in Mali
JNIM’s emergence from AQIM and local insurgencies
Iyad Ag Ghaly’s political and jihadist leadership
The junta’s repression and strategic miscalculations
The JNIM–FLA alliance in northern Mali
The 25 April 2026 coordinated attacks
Negotiating with Islamists after the War on Terror
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas talks to Sir Vince Cable, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats in the UK, about his new book Eclipsing the West: China, India and the forging of a new world.
Sir Vince discusses:
Postcolonial state-building, development economics, and his formative experiences in Kenya
Globalisation, financialisation, and the legacy of the 2008 financial crisis
The rise of China and India as “superstates” in a new tripolar world
Geo-economics, US–China rivalry, and the breakdown of the liberal international order
Democracy versus authoritarianism and the crisis of liberal governance
Ideology, nationalism, and the limits of rationality in geopolitics
Multipolarity, global disorder, climate crisis, and the future of world order
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Aimen's in the thick of it this week so isn't able to appear on the show. Sitting in for him is Elizabeth Tsurkov, a Russian-Israeli researcher and analyst, and a doctoral student at Princeton University. During field research in Iraq in 2023, she was kidnapped by Kata'ib Hezbollah and held in captivity for over two years, suffering torture and solitary confinement.
In what we hope will be the first of many appearances on Conflicted, Elizabeth discusses:
Saddam Hussein’s faith campaign and the rise of Shia religious politics in Iraq
The Sadrist movement in Iraq and Muqtada al-Sadr
The politicisation of sectarian identity in post-2003 Iraq
Iraqi militias as criminal-political enterprises engaged in in theft, extortion, oil smuggling, and dollar smuggling
The difference between Iraqi militias and Lebanese Hezbollah
The impact of militia rule on ordinary civilian life
Iraq’s extreme inequality despite its oil and gas wealth
The 2003 Iraq War and the debate over American responsibility
Iraqi elite agency and the failures of Iraq’s political class
The 2010 Iraqi election crisis and Nouri al-Maliki’s return to power
The Iraqi constitution and the failure of constitutional democracy
Iraq’s dependence on oil revenues and the Strait of Hormuz
The impact of the current Iran war on Iraq’s economy
Iranian attacks on Iraqi oil exports and oil tankers
The U.S. military presence in Iraq after ISIS
American influence over Iraqi prime ministerial politics
Nouri al-Maliki, Mohammed Shia al-Sudani, and Ali al-Zaidi
Fa’iq Zaidan and the power of Iraq’s judiciary
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to journalist Tim Weiner about his new history of the CIA in the 21st century, The Mission, and about the enduring tension between intelligence gathering and covert action. Drawing on four decades of reporting, Weiner argues that the CIA’s greatest failures arise when it abandons its core purpose of understanding the world in favour of trying to change it.
Weiner explains:
How he began covering the CIA during the Reagan era and what drew him into intelligence reporting
Why the CIA is best understood as an instrument of presidential power, not an independent actor
The agency’s post–Cold War collapse and its loss of mission before 9/11
How the War on Terror transformed the CIA into a global counterterrorism and paramilitary force
The origins, logic, and consequences of torture, black sites, and the failure of interrogation
The intelligence failures behind the Iraq War and how ‘facts were fitted around the policy’
The rise of drone warfare under Obama and the normalization of targeted killing
Covert operations from Peru to Syria, including the limits and dangers of programs like TIMBER SYCAMORE
The difference between espionage and covert action—and why only the former can prevent war and save lives
Why the greatest danger today is a president who ignores intelligence while using the CIA’s coercive power
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Thomas expresses his growing conviction that President Trump has utterly mishandled the Iran War, while Aimen describes: how the final, fatal phase of the Islamabad peace talks was a utter humiliation for Trump; what's going on inside the heads of GCC leaders regarding the White House's leadership; and the Islamic Republic's new delay tactics. Join the Conflicted Community here: https://conflicted.supportingcast.fm/ Find us on X: https://x.com/MHconflictedAnd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MHconflictedAnd Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/conflictedpodLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesConflicted is a Message Heard production.Executive Producers: Jake Warren & Max Warren.Produced and edited by Thomas Small.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to bestselling novelist and historian Jack Carr. A former Navy SEAL sniper, Carr talks about his phenomenal book Targeted: Beirut: The 1983 Marine Barracks Bombing and the Untold Origin Story of the War on Terror as well as his upcoming novel The Fourth Option.
Jack describes:
His path from childhood fascination with war to becoming a U.S. Navy SEAL sniper
SEAL training: Hell Week, mental fortitude, and what separates those who quit from those who don’t
Boarding Iraqi oil tankers: enforcing sanctions at sea and policing the post–Gulf War international order
His experience as a sniper in Iraq and Afghanistan
The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing and its role in shaping modern terrorism and U.S. foreign policy
The mistakes in US counter-terrorism policy: how limited responses can shape enemy strategy over time
From warfighter to writer: how Carr’s military experience informs his novels and nonfiction on the War on Terror
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Aimen describes the counter-coup which has taken place inside the Islamic Republic against Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf, Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, the key to understanding the failure of the Islamabad peace talks.
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to journalist Jason Burke about his new book The Revolutionists: The Story of the Extremists Who Hijacked the 1970s.
Jason explains:
Why the origins of modern terrorism lie earlier than the Afghan jihad of the 1980s
The global revolutionary ferment of the 1960s and 70s
Why early terrorist attacks were often designed to attract attention rather than cause mass casualties
The role of Palestinian militant groups in pioneering modern tactics like hijacking
Connections between European radicals, Japanese militants, and Middle Eastern groups
How states adapted to terrorism through new counterterrorism measures
The shift from theatrical violence to mass-casualty and suicide attacks
The relationship between secular revolutionary movements and later Islamist militancy
The Iranian Revolution as a turning point in the evolution of political violence
Why many common narratives about the origins of jihadism are incomplete
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After the peace talks in Islamabad fail as expected, the United States adopts Plan B: a complete blockade of all Iranian maritime trade. Aimen explains this latest move in the Iran War.
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Aimen does his best to explain the sudden and somewhat unexpected ceasefire between the United States and Iran which was announced early on Tuesday.
Aimen and Thomas discuss:
Pakistan's role: what game are they playing?
Russia's delicate balancing act between Iran and the GCC
How GCC leaders cope with President Trump's erratic shifts in messaging and policy
Did Netanyahu know about the ceasefire in advance?
The potential coup in Lebanon which Israel's intervention stopped
Whether Lebanon is included in the ceasefire or not
What U.S. military hardware is on its way to the region
Why European politicians and diplomats still support containment when it comes to Iran while being gung-ho against Russia
How energy dependence helps explain the posture of Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey
How the Islamabad talks between Vance and Ghalibaf are likely to go down
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to journalist Oliver Bollough about his illuminating new book Everybody Loves Our Dollars: How Money Laundering Won.
Oliver and Thomas discuss:
Iranian oil money flowing into London property
Russian oligarch wealth parked in Western banks
Al Capone to Miami: evolution of money laundering
Jeffrey Epstein and elite financial fixers network
$100 bills fuelling global criminal cash economy
White House insiders profiting from crypto and stablecoins
Chinese gangs laundering cartel money worldwide
Hawala and ancient trade-based money transfer systems
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In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks to journalist and author Anand Gopal about his wonderful new book Days of Love and Rage, a profoundly moving and intellectually stimulating history of the Syrian revolution told from the perspective of the northern town of Manbij.
Anand and Thomas discuss:
Anand's first-hand witnessing of 9/11
How Anand embedded with the Taliban
Revolution as a crisis of faith and collapse of social reality
Manbij as a microcosm of the tensions of Syrian modernity
The failure of Manbij's democratic experiment and the limits of liberalism
How ISIS exploited both material grievances and liberal norms
Baathism: egalitarian ethos vs authoritarian reality
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