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  • Charlie and Natalie Jenner (Every Time We Say Goodbye) discuss the war years and 1950s Italian film industry and the Vatican's authority over it, changing working practices after being accused of discrimination, and including still-living celebrities in your book.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    I talked to Natalie about her previous book, Bloomsbury Girls, in episode 65
    Day For Night
    Quo Vadis
    Umanità
    Nine
    Summertime
    Three Coins In The Fountain
    Roman Holiday
    A similar quote of Kurt Vonnegut's is "Readers should have such complete understanding of what is going on, where and why, that they could finish the story themselves, should cockroaches eat the last few pages."
    I talked to Liz Fenwick about the map girls in episode 100
    Natalie's Instagram post on Ray Holland
    The Prince Of Foxes
    Natalie's episode on chapters 7-9 of Pride And Prejudice for the Rosenbach Library

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Charles Dickens: Our Mutual Friend
    Charles Dickens: A Tale Of Two Cities
    Edward Bulwer-Lytton: The Last Days Of Pompeii
    Henry James: The Portrait Of A Lady
    Jane Austen: Pride And Prejudice
    Jane Austen: Emma
    Joe Klein: Primary Colors
    Natalie Jenner: The Jane Austen Society
    Natalie Jenner: Bloomsbury Girls
    Natalie Jenner: Every Time We Say Goodbye
    Natalie Jenner: Austen At Sea
    Sophia Loren: Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow My Life
    Zadie Smith: The Fraud
    Zoe Wheddon: Jane Austen's Best Friend

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 11th April 2024; published 9th September 2024

    Where to find Natalie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    00:01:52 The different inspirations for the book - old films, Natalie's character Vivian from her previous book, Bloomsbury Girls, the WW2 refugees that lived at the Cinecittà movie studies and then used as extras (this turns into a longer discussion)
    00:10:58 More about Cinecittà itself
    00:13:08 The Vatican's past authority over the Italian film industry
    00:17:59 How Natalie researches her books, and her love of Rome
    00:29:30 John Lassiter, urgh!
    00:34:20 The importance of Tabitha's story and how a reader's criticism changed how Natalie wrote
    00:38:25 La Scolaretta and the stafetta - the young women messengers and assassins in WW2 Italy
    00:44:45 Natalie's knowing, and the life of, Ray Holland, film-maker Jack Salvatori's son
    00:52:28 Writing as characters celebrities who are still with us, with a focus on Sophia Loren
    00:59:16 All about Natalie's forthcoming next book, Austen At Sea, which Charlie reckons will end up being her favourite of all Natalie's books
    01:08:59 Natalie tells us why she likely won't write about Jane Austen herself

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  • Charlie and Matt Ottley (The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness) discuss Matt's type I bipolar disorder and how it has influenced this, his latest book, and his life in general. As Matt is also a composer and illustrator and the book involves both, we also discuss in detail the creation of the music and artwork.

    Please note that there are mentions of child sexual abuse and attempted suicide in this episode.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    The Sound Of Picture Books on YouTube
    Film trailer for The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness
    Tina Wilson set up the Lester Prize

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Matt Ottley: The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness

    Buy the books: UK

    Release details: recorded 16th April 2024; published 26th August 2024

    Where to find Matt online: Website || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    00:01:36 The whys of the book - why this story, why produce it in this way, why now (this turns into a larger discussion of Matt's bipolar disorder and how it affects him)
    00:13:18 Matt's musical initiative for children, The Sound Of Picture Books
    00:19:45 The artistic process of the book, the artwork
    00:24:35 The image of the pregnant mother in water, Matt's painting of water in general, and the elephants
    00:29:08 The animals in terms of metaphors of unreality, evolution, and mania
    00:32:32 Where Matt started in illustration, music, and writing - the discussion revolves mostly around music - and also inspirations
    00:42:01 All about the music - composing, recording, the orchestra, choir, and so on
    00:52:01 [An extract of music from the score, courtesy of Matt]
    00:58:34 Discussing the narration and narrator, Matt's wife, Tina Wilson
    01:02:04 The book's text - starting point and so on
    01:04:38 Matt tells us about his childhood, family, and experience of bipolar growing up
    01:09:34 What's next? (A variety of projects are discussed.)

    Photo credit: Tina Wilson

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Charlie and Kate Weston (You May Now Kill The Bride) discuss her hilarious comedy thriller wherein a group of friends go on a hen do, one of them is murdered, but they don't stop going to hen dos...

    Please note there is some swearing in this episode.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Below Deck

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Kate Weston: Murder On A School Night
    Kate Weston: You May Now Kill The Bride

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: Recorded 14th March 2024; published 12th August 2024

    Where to find Kate online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Where to find Charlie online: website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    01:56 The starting point/inspiration - hen dos (and Kate's own)
    06:17 Why the murders?
    08:01 How did you plan/write the book?
    10:34 Creating the friends and their personalities
    14:58 Was there a particular reason why you offed Tansy first?
    16:37 Did you want the murderer to be worked out?
    18:36 Have you got a favourite character?
    20:00 How did you keep the balance between the bonkers and the realistic?
    21:55 Jeremy's club
    23:34 Could someone else have been the murderer?
    25:29 Could DI Ashford and Lauren's thread ever end happily?
    27:04 Transitioning from writing YA
    28:59 What are you writing now?
    29:29 Tell us about your stand-up career

    Photo credit: Joanna Bongard

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Celebrating 100 episodes of this podcast, Charlie is Joined by Liz Fenwick, Emma Cowell, Ronali Collings, and Tammye Huf, for a general bookish chat. We start off with an excellent conversation on the industry's use of 'women's fiction' when the genderless 'commerical fiction' would do very well.

    Please note there is one use of 'damn' in this episode.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Leonard Cohen's Bird On A Wire
    The 'Women in Love' panel Liz was on was part of the Emirates Airline Festival of Literature 2015
    The Constant Gardener (film)
    Desert Island Discs
    Escape To The Country

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Charlotte Brontë: Jane Eyre
    Elissa Soave: Ginger And Me
    Emily Brontë: Wuthering Heights
    Emma Cowell: One Last Letter From Greece
    Emma Cowell: the House In The Olive Grove
    Emma Cowell: The Island Love Song
    John Le Carré: The Constant Gardener
    Kate Atkinson: Life After Life
    Liz Fenwick: One Cornish Summer
    Liz Fenwick: The Secret Shore
    Paul Auster: The Brooklyn Follies
    Paul Auster: The New York Trilogy
    Ronali Collings: All The Single Ladies
    Sarah Winman: A Year Of Marvellous Ways
    Tammye Huf: A More Perfect Union

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 6th May 2024; published 5th August 2024

    Where to find Liz online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram || TikTok

    Where to find Emma online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Ronali online: Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Tammye online: Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    04:02 What is your genre? (The authors discuss labels in terms of gender expectations and marketing in this vein.)
    08:25 How do you books do overseas?
    10:40 If you wrote in another genre, which would it be?
    15:14 If your book was turned into a film or TV show, who would you want cast in it?
    20:33 If you could've written someone else's book, whose would you choose? (Some interesting discussions on individual writing styles here.)
    26:01 What is the best fan or reader encounter you've had?
    31:50 What do you wish you'd known before you became a published author? (Turns into a longer conversation about the difficulty of writing to a deadline.)
    41:28 Can you remember any particularly interesting fact that you discovered in your research that couldn't be included in the book?
    44:54 Tell us about what you're currently writing

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Celebrating 100 episodes of this podcast, Charlie is joined by Phillip Lewis, Melissa Fu, and Amanda Geard for a general bookish chat. This is a slightly quieter episode with some incredibly poignant and compelling stories.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Seamus Heany's Limbo
    Phillip quotes from Dorothy L Sayers' Unnatural Death. The full quote is "...After all, it isn't really difficult to write books. Especially if you either write a rotten story in good English or a good story in rotten English, which is as far as most people seem to get nowadays."
    Melissa's episode of The Diverse Bookshelf
    Amanda's episode of Richard & Judy's podcast
    Phillip's episode of Charlotte Readers
    Information about Charles Ray Finch
    Information about Ronnie Long
    Netflix's The Staircase
    The episode of this podcast that includes Dorothy L Sayers is episode 100 with Liz Fenwick

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Amanda Geard: The Midnight House
    Amanda Geard: The Moon Gate
    David S Rudolph: American Injustice
    Dodie Smith: I Capture The Castle
    Dorothy L Sayers: Unnatural Death
    Frances Hodgson Burnett: The Secret Garden
    Grace Paley: Enormous Changes At The Last Minute
    Judy Finnigan: Roseland
    Melissa Fu: Peach Blossom Spring
    Phillip Lewis: The Barrowfields

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 28th March 2024; published 29th July 2024

    Where to find Phillip online: Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Melissa online: Website || Instagram

    Where to find Amanda online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    04:10 What does your genre do and what it is for?
    09:48 Where do you write, and where do you like to read?
    16:46 What's the nicest thing anyone's said about your books, or the nicest review?
    20:29 Tell us about a time when you were a guest on another podcast
    25:38 What did you do before you were a published author or what do you do alongside your writing?
    33:06 You can have a coffee morning with three other authors. Who are you choosing?
    39:44 What bookish event or personal bookish event are you looking forward to within the next few years?

    Photo credit: Isil Dohnke, Sophie Davidson, Amanda Geard

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Charlie and Manda Scott (Any Human Power) discuss her book in terms of its Shamanist contexts, her informed ideas for how we can change and thus improve the UK political system, and playing Dungeons And Dragons with Terry Pratchett and Fay Weldon. We also discuss Mass Multiplayer Online gaming in the context of both Manda's book and, briefly, ourselves - this is an episode wherein two gamers meet.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Historical Writer's Association
    Accidental Gods Podcast
    Thrutopian Writer's Association
    Ursula K Le Guin's original quotation, "We live in capitalism, its power seems inescapable - but then, so did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings. Resistance and change often begin in art" is from her speech in acceptance of the National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters, 19th November 2014
    Chauvet Cave artwork
    The writer Charlie couldn't remember is Max Porter, his book is Grief Is The Thing With Feathers
    World Of Warcraft
    Guild Wars 2
    Doom
    The Accidental Gods membership program

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Isabel Harman: Why We Get The Wrong Politicians
    Manda Scott: Any Human Power
    Manda Scott: Boudica
    Max Porter: Grief Is The Thing With Feathers

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 11th March 2024; published 22nd July 2024

    Where to find Manda online: Website || Twitter || Facebook

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    01:50 What was the very initial thought or kernel of this book?
    08:52 What Manda would like to see happen in order to start accomplishing the environmental and political goals put forth in Any Human Power
    14:13 Lan - why is she dead?
    18:00 About the 'spirit guides' in the book, discussing crows
    22:02 Lan not stopping the story thread in which Kaitlyn dies
    25:42 Manda delves into all the political change in the book and her thoughts on our real UK world in this context
    37:10 How far we're meant to like/connect with the characters and how flaws are important
    41:16 At the end we have the sense of cycles; do we see a chance for things to change for Lan later on?
    43:43 Manda talks about one of her influences, Taiwan's government system
    46:22 Talking Manda's use of World Of Warcraft (WoW) in the book, which devolves into a short gaming conversation
    50:21 Manda played D&D with Terry Pratchett and Fay Weldon - details
    53:07 About Manda's podcast, Accidental Gods
    56:30 What Manda's writing now, including book 2

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Celebrating 100 episodes of this podcast, Charlie is joined by Elissa Soave, Jenni Keer, and Chloe Timms for a general bookish chat. This one is big on writing, branding, and marketing, and, if Charlie dares says herself, is one of the most fun episodes of this entire show.

    Please note there is a mild swear word in this episode.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Confessions Of A Debut Novelist
    Groundhog Day
    Elissa episode with me is number 80
    Elissa's episode on Chloe's podcast
    Chloe's writer's club
    The Lake House

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Chloe Timms: The Seawomen
    Daphne Du Maurier: Rebecca
    Elissa Soave: Ginger And Me
    Elissa Soave: Graffiti Girls
    Eliza Clark: Penance
    Guillermo del Toro: The Shape Of Water
    Janice Galloway: Collected Stories
    Janice Galloway's The Trick Is To Keep Breathing
    Jenni Keer: The Secrets Of Hawthorn Place
    Jenni Keer: At The Stroke Of Midnight
    Margaret Atwood: The Handmaid's Tale
    Margaret Atwood: The Testaments
    Roget's Thesaurus

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 7th March 2024; published 15th July 2024

    Where to find Elissa online: Twitter

    Where to find Jenni online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram || TikTok

    Where to find Chloe online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    02:21 What is your genre and what does it do, what's it for?
    11:31 If you wrote in another genre, which would it be?
    17:47 How is your social media strategy?
    27:22 What's the best reader or fan encounter you've had?
    33:01 If you could have written someone else's book, which book would you choose?
    37:17 What is the best writing advice you've ever been given?
    43:56 All three tell us what they're currently writing, soon publishing (in two cases), and Elissa also tells us about her November 2024 release

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Charlie and Jacquie Bloese (The Golden Hour/The Secret Photographs) discuss early erotic photography, Victorian erotic stage performances, and the beginnings of bicycle use for women which had a huge impact on female agency.

    Please note there are mentions of suicide and abuse in this episode

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references: The photograph of Marie Berin
    Marion Sambourne's diary
    I can recommend the keyword phrase 'early bicycle wear women' for lots of pictures of the outfits Jacquie describes
    Wikipedia's article on the history of women cycling (bicycling and feminism)

    Books mentioned by name or extensively: Jacquie Bloese: The Golden Hour

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 3rd April 2024; published 8th July 2024

    Where to find Jacquie online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    01:26 The whys of this book and the inspiration, particularly in the context of the photography
    03:56 More about the model written about by Linley Sambourne, who committed suicide, and how Jacquie was influenced by it
    05:47 Why Jacquie chose Brighton, and why she chose the Victorian period in that context also
    09:00 About the female photographer, Marie Bertin, that Jacquie mentioned
    09:58 About Holywell Street in London
    11:30 The women points of view of The Golden Hour - Ellen, Clem, and Lily
    16:23 Harriet (Harry) Smart and the music halls/theatres
    20:28 More about The Vigilant Association
    24:08 How Jacquie plotted her book and kept all the secrets straight in her mind
    28:34 How Ottile had a bigger role in previous drafts
    31:46 The importance of the questions of sexuality
    34:53 Ellen and Reynold's mother, her story and the significance of her story
    38:05 Women! Cycling! And the importance of cycling for women at the time
    42:09 About Jacquie's inclusion of cats and the way they influenced the book
    44:35 What Jacquie's writing now, her book that includes silent films

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Celebrating 100 episodes of this podcast, Charlie is joined by Alex Hay, Stacey Thomas, and Lucy Barker for a general bookish chat with a concentration on the writing. The trio toured together as debuts and we get to witness just how well they work together.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Downton Abbey
    Ocean's Eleven
    Mary & George (Julianne Moore)
    Zsolt's Instagram post on The Revels
    Euphoria
    Fear The Walking Dead
    Pride And Prejudice
    Persuasion

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Alex Hay: The Housekeepers
    Isabella Beeton: Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management
    Stacey Thomas: The Revels
    Lucy Barker: The Other Side Of Mrs Wood

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: Recorded 18th January 2024; published 1st July 2024

    Where to find Alex online: Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Stacey online: Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Where to find Lucy online: Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    02:44 How the trio's debut novelist tour came about
    05:42 Anecdotes about the tour
    08:37 Will you do another tour?
    09:40 Last discussion on the tour
    10:39 What is historical fiction, what does it do, what's it for?
    20:51 Was there anything particular that you liked in research but couldn't include in your book?
    31:25 What is the best reader or fan encounter you've had?
    34:25 If your book was to be adapted who would you want cast in it?
    37:46 Tell us more about what you're writing at the moment

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Charlie and Liz Fenwick (The Secret Shore) discuss the women cartographers who were fundamental in the Allies winning the Second World War and the way women at university at the time had to choose between their career and having a family. We also discuss Liz's love of Cornwall, her use of Dorothy Sayer's Gaudy Night, and we go back a few times to the people who were involved in the secret flotillas that preceded the Normandy landings.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    My previous interview with Liz is episode 35
    Liz's TikTok plot walk on Frenchman's Creek
    The Woman's Hour episode including women's intuition

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Daphne Du Maurier: Frenchman's Creek
    Dorothy Sayers: Gaudy Night
    Ernie Pyle: The Best Of Ernie Pyle's World War II Dispatches
    Liz Fenwick: A Cornish Stranger
    Liz Fenwick: The Returning Tide
    Liz Fenwick: The Path To The Sea
    Liz Fenwick: The River Between Us
    Liz Fenwick: The Secret Shore
    Liz Fenwick: A Portrait Of You

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: recorded 25th March 2024; published 24th June 2024

    Where to find Liz online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram || TikTok

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    01:45 You'd wanted to write about the secret flotillas for a long time?
    02:58 Women's work in cartography in the Second World War
    05:48 Furthering this discussion we go to Liz's character, Merry, or Dr Tremayne, and begin a discussion on what Liz left out of this book
    09:42 More about Merry's work in the context of how a woman had to choose between a career and having a family, particularly in the context of Oxford University
    16:06 Merry's mother, Elise, including her story in The Secret Shore
    19:46 The romance in the book, including the love story
    23:00 Liz's love and use in her novels of Frenchman's Creek, Cornwall
    25:06 Ridifarne!
    27:01 Is heart or head more important?
    28:16 Liz's use of Dorothy Sayers' Gaudy Night and the character of Peter Wimsey
    31:19 The real people in the book and how Liz made it all happen
    33:38 All about Maurice Cohen and the mouse
    35:22 The sacred wells in Cornwall
    38:14 All about Liz's plot walks, which she releases to TikTok
    41:03 Does it feel strange when you're not writing about Cornwall?
    44:10 Liz's next book, A Portrait Of You

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Celebrating 100 episodes of this podcast, Charlie is joined by Gill Paul, Elizabeth Fremantle, Amanda Geard, and Maggie Brookes for a general bookish chat. We get all philosophical about genre, discuss film adaptations (Elizabeth’s Firebrand is out), whose books we wish we could have written, and best fan encounters.

    A transcript is available on my site

    General references:
    Firebrand - the UK release date it 14th June
    A Royal Affair
    House Of The Dragon
    Netflix's The Queen's Gambit
    Amanda's interview with me on The Moon Gate is episode 84
    Elizabeth's appearance on BBC Front Row
    The Irish Times' article on Amanda's house (includes a photo of the room we discuss)
    Father Ted
    The Historical Novel Society 2024 Conference

    Books mentioned by name or extensively:
    Amanda Geard: The Midnight House
    Amanda Geard: The Moon Gate
    Diana Gabaldon: Voyager
    Dodie Smith: I Capture The Castle
    Elizabeth Fremantle: Queen's Gambit
    Elizabeth Fremantle: Disobedient
    Elizabeth Fremantle: The Sinners (working title)
    Gill Paul: The Secret Wife
    Gill Paul: Another Woman's Husband
    Gill Paul: The Manhattan Girls
    Gill Paul: A Beautiful Rival
    Gill Paul: Scandalous Women
    Jenny Ashcroft: Echoes Of Love
    Kerry Fisher: The Secret Child
    Maggie Brookes: The Prisoner's Wife
    Maggie Brookes: Acts Of Love And War
    Maggie O'Farrell: I Am, I Am, I Am
    Paula McLain: The Paris Wife
    Walter Tevis: The Queen's Gambit

    Buy the books: UK || USA

    Release details: Recorded 26th September 2023; published 26th February 2024

    Where to find Elizabeth online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Amanda online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Gill online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram || TikTok

    Where to find Maggie online: Website || Twitter || Facebook || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok

    Discussions

    02:36 What is historical fiction - what does it do, what it is for?
    06:09 If you wrote in another genre, what would it be?
    08:29 If your book was to be made into a film or TV show, who would you want cast in it?
    13:03 Can you describe your latest book without talking about the plot at all?
    15:47 If you could have written someone else's book, whose would you choose?
    18:38 What's the weirdest thing anyone's said about one of your books?
    22:43 What's the best reader or fan encounter you've had?
    26:11 Have you ever been mistaken for another author?
    28:55 What is the best interview you've had excluding this podcast?
    32:53 What is the best writing advice you've ever been given?
    37:27 Can you remember any particularly interesting fact that you discovered in research that you couldn't include in your book?
    42:48 What bookish event are you looking forward to in the next couple of years?
    45:52 What is everyone's next book? (Except Gill - she mentioned hers earlier.)

    Photo credit: Gill Paul, JP Masclet, Amanda Geard, Lyn Gregory

    Disclosure: If you buy books linked to my site, I may earn a commission from Bookshop.org, whose fees support independent bookshops

  • Charlie and Chịkọdịlị Emelụmadụ (Dazzling) discuss Igbo mythology, the differences between polygamy and monogamy in Igbo culture, and the social impacts of colonialism and military coups in Nigeria. Chịkọdịlị also talks about having her characters bother her when she's trying to shower, finding literature in rubbish heaps, and needing a literary residency - please let her know if you've one to spare!

    Please note there are mentions of rape and general violence in this episode.

    Where to find Chịkọdịlị online

    Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online

    Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Discussions

    01:43 The starting point of Dazzling
    04:54 The original narratives and the hows and whys of Chịkọdịlị's choices in terms of points of view and tenses
    07:41 Why Chịkọdịlị doesn't have a favourite character and how she knows her characters
    09:23 Is Chịkọdịlị writing a sequel? Shhh...
    14:13 Chịkọdịlị tells us about how she worked on world building, which includes information about her childhood in Nigeria and how it compared to her initial years in the UK. She also discusses colonial and Christian impacts on Igbo culture
    22:03 Why it was important to include the lack of family - Chịkọdịlị talks about polygamy in her culture and the differences between that and a one-mother family
    29:08 The spirits and Igbo mythology in the book
    34:32 Chịkọdịlị's use of the leopard society, which is a factual society, and who they were in reality
    39:47 The 'lost girls' in the book - the whys and hows and the connections to reality. And the 'use' of menstruation
    44:15 The inclusion of politics and its importance - looking at the civil wars and coups
    47:04 Bringing the Harmattan into what Chịkọdịlị's been saying
    49:25 What Chịkọdịlị is writing now

    Photo credit: The Visual Team.

  • Charlie and Sarah Marsh (A Sign Of Her Own) discuss the lesser-known aspect of Alexander Bell's work - teaching deaf children to speak - in terms of both the real history and the fictionalised character she created in order to explore the events. This includes snippets about the manufactured rivalry between the two inventors of the telephone; Bell's wife, Mabel Hubbard (who was deaf); the Deaf community in London in the late 1800s; and the way Sarah employs language - written, signed, spoken - to excellent effect.

    A transcript of this episode is available on the podcast website.

    Reuben Conrad's 1979 book is called Deaf School Child
    Wikipedia's page on Bell and Elisha Grey's rivalry

    Where to find Sarah online

    Twitter || Instagram

    Where to find Charlie online

    Website || Twitter || Instagram

    Discussions

    01:55 The inspiration for A Sign Of Her Own
    03:27 Alexander Bell's work with deaf children, 'Visible Speech', and the reality of it all
    07:08 The Deaf community in London at the time
    08:13 The locations - America and London
    09:21 The characters, particularly Sarah's fictional heroine, Ellen, and where bird names as surnames come into it
    11:49 Talking about Mabel Hubbard, Alexander Bell's wife, who was deaf
    13:24 The rivalry between Alexander Bell and Elisha Grey
    15:30 The way Sarah uses different languages in her book
    18:57 The romance in the book, between Ellen and Frank
    20:48 Where Sarah sees Ellen going in her life beyond the book
    22:34 Brief notes on what Sarah's writing now

  • Charlie and Natasha Solomons (Fair Rosaline) discuss Natasha's interpretation of Romeo and Juliet, told from the perspective of Rosaline, wherein Romeo is a groomer and Juliet must be saved from him. We discuss as well Natasha's stylistic choices for her prose and the changes she made to the original ending.

    Please note that there is a lot of discussion of sexually predatory behaviour and some explicit language in this episode.

    Mark Scott's rephrasing of Charles Dibdin's argument can be found in his 1987 publication, Shakespearean Criticism, page 419
    Natasha's I, Mona Lisa
    Natasha's Mr Rosenblum's List
    Ros Barber, The Marlowe Papers
    Pamela Butchart's To Wee Or Not To Wee
    Susan Calman's audiobook version of Pamela Butchart's To Wee Or Not To Wee

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    Discussions

    01:39 The inspiration for Fair Rosaline - Natasha's interpretation of Romeo and Juliet as being darker than it's portrayed
    06:18 How we never see Rosaline in the original, and how Natasha changes this
    07:01 Shakespeare's own thoughts on his characters, and Natasha's interpretations here
    10:29 How Natasha borrowed from other Shakespearean Rosalines and Rosalinds
    16:32 The importance of Juliet and her relative relevance in the book, and how Natasha considered different types of readers when she wrote
    19:39 We start talking about the changes Natasha makes to the ending
    20:44 Romeo's copying Tybalt - the balcony and roses not being Romeo's original idea in Fair Rosaline
    21:57 The theme of roses and thorns
    24:54 How Natasha wrote her prose - similar but not the same as Shakespeare's
    28:12 How Natasha changes (or, as she says, 'made it more explicit') Friar Lawrence
    32:45 The men being in on it
    34:17 The importance of the convent and the theme of women's freedom
    40:25 Tybalt's death and why Natasha made the choices she did
    42:29 How Natasha wrote with her young daughter beside her on Zoom in lockdown
    44:34 What Natasha's writing now: Cleopatra, with the Shakespearean influence again
    47:18 There will be a play of Fair Rosaline!

  • Charlie and Lucy Barker (The Other Side Of Mrs Wood) discuss Victorian mediums both factual and fictionalised - their work, the spiritualism that led to their popularity, the social circles, the rivalry, the rumours of fraud, and the women's roles as early grief counselors. We also talk about the early days of the Suffrage movement and various aspects of the book's ending.

    Please note there is a very mild swear word in this episode.

    The Courtauld's exhibition of Georgiana Houghton's spirit paintings
    A preview of Tracy Ann Oberman's audio version of The Other Side Of Mrs Wood
    Lucy's blog post on the postal service in Victorian times
    One Night At McCool's
    Lucy's blog post on using Notting Hill

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    Discussions

    01:50 The real mediums who inspired the book: Agnes Guppy and Florence Cook
    05:17 Lucy talks about how mediums in general were able to escape accusations of falsehood despite many being outed as frauds
    08:53 The fickleness and loyalty of medium patrons
    10:35 Why the Victorians were in to Spiritualism
    14:00 The importance of the references to America throughout the book - America's own spiritualism
    15:27 Mrs Wood, Miss Newman, and Miss Finch
    19:07 The very early days of the women's suffrage movement
    22:30 About Mrs Wood's circle of people
    26:35 How Mrs Wood seeing herself as providing a service for grieving people, and the role of mediums in early grief counseling
    29:34 The comedy in the book, and Lucy speaks briefly about her next book in the context of humour
    30:58 Lucy's use of letters in the book, and Mr Clore's columns
    33:23 The ending: why Lucy chose the ending she did for Mrs Wood and Mr Larson
    35:32 Charlie thought it was going to be revealed that Miss Finch could really talk to spirits - Lucy discusses this point. Listen in!
    37:24 The ending: Mrs Wood and Miss Finch and their terms
    39:20 Lucy tells us about the locations in the book: Victorian-era Notting Hill, Portobello Road, Ladbroke Grove
    42:32 Lucy gives us more information about her next book

  • Charlie and Jennifer Saint (Atalanta) discuss the forgotten story of the female member of the Argonauts - Jennifer's use of and changes to the various versions of the mythological story, including her usage of motherhood as a theme, Homer's thoughts on his women characters, the assault of Callisto, and the fact that Jason isn't much of a hero.

    Please note there are mentions of sexual assault in this episode.

    Episode 60 of this podcast is my interview with Jennifer about Elektra
    Jennifer's Elektra
    Jennifer's Ariadne
    The Argonautica
    Sarah Clegg's Women's Lore
    Cicero said, in the Tusculan Disputations, Book I, On The Contempt Of Death, section XXXIX: "If a child dies young, one should console himself easily. If he dies in the cradle, one doesn't even pay attention."
    Emily Wilson's translation of The Iliad

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    Discussions

    01:42 Why Atalanta, what drew you to her?
    03:19 Why the first person in particular and how did you create Atalanta's voice?
    06:31 The relevance of Atalanta's story to our present day, especially compared to Elektra
    08:49 The unimportance of Jason (of the Argonauts)
    10:07 Atalanta's growth as a person and her relative genderlessness
    12:49 How and why Jennifer included motherhood in the way that she does (and how there are bad parents in Greek mythology)
    17:54 Depending on the version of the story, Atalanta doesn't always meet Artemis - Jennifer talks about this and her choices for her story. We then move on to Callisto's story and the different versions of it
    24:25 Jennifer talks about how Homer seems to have empathy for the women in his stories as part of a wider discussion as to the reception of the female characters in Ancient Greek society
    27:49 How Jennifer approached writing the male characters, who revolve around Atalanta rather than the other way around
    34:57 The ending - becoming lions would've been seen as a punishment in Ancient Greece, so how did Jennifer change this for her story?
    38:02 Artemis' and Aphrodite's relationship
    41:16 What's next - Jennifer's book on Hera
    42:23 Might Jennifer ever write a 'regular' high fantasy novel?

  • Charlie and Elizabeth Fremantle (Disobedient) discuss the formative life, and Elizabeth's fictionalisation, of Artemisia Gentileschi, a woman painter from the 17th century.

    Please note that there are many mentions of rape in this episode, and there is also a mention of animal death.

    The previous episodes with Elizabeth are episode 7 and episode 70
    The exhibition at The National Gallery
    Judith Slaying Holofernes
    Caravaggio's Judith Beheading Holofernes
    Mary D Garrard's Artemisia Gentileschi
    Elizabeth's Queen's Gambit
    Firebrand

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    Discussions

    01:18 Why Artemisia, and the general inspiration for the book
    04:40 Elizabeth talks about Artemisia's work in general, as well as her success in her lifetime
    10:58 How much does your fictionalisation of Orazio Gentileschi align with what's known?
    15:14 Where Artemisia worked on her father's paintings
    16:47 The Stiatessi family and what we know about Artemisia's husband
    20:12 About Zita, real name Tuzia
    22:49 The fragments of translations in the book - listen in for some interesting facts!
    25:56 The use of laundry and light coming through the laundry lines
    28:21 The Nightingale (Ovid's Metamorphoses' Philomel and Procne)
    31:19 About Beatrice Cenci and Elizabeth's next book
    35:28 Asking Elizabeth about what Charlie feels is her defining element - her honing in to one or two specific elements - and how she may continue in this vein in future
    40:42 Lola the dog, who is mentioned at the start of the novel
    41:29 Release dates for Firebrand, the film of Queen's Gambit

    Photo credit: JP Masclet.

  • Charlie and Kristy Woodson Harvey (The Summer Of Songbirds) discuss whether we should like her character, Lanier (who stops her best friend and brother being together); the various plot threads she left out of the book (including alternative endings); and US summer camps (both Kristy's experiences, and the effect of the pandemic lockdowns). We also spend a good amount of time discussing the pre-actor's-strike announcement of an adaptation of Kristy's Peachtree Bluff series and her next two books.

    Kristy's The Wedding Veil
    Kristy's Christmas In Peachtree Bluff
    Friends & Fiction
    Kristy's interview with Susan M Boyer
    The announcement about the Peachtree Bluff adaptation on Kristy's website

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    Discussions

    02:14 The inspiration: a sailing trip at a summer camp Kristy went to with her family during the pandemic
    06:49 So Lanier and Rich came first?...
    08:02 How Kristy doesn't write in chronological order and how it ends up working well
    12:01 How Kristy feels about Lanier
    15:35 Why was important to write about Daphne's family and the problems there are there?
    19:21 Why no narrator for Mary Stuart?
    25:39 This book was originally longer (what got cut)
    29:24 Kristy's childhood experiences of US summer camps
    33:52 Why Kristy ends her book with a scene about Daphne, Lanier, and Mary Stuart's children going to camp
    34:51 Real camps that had to close due to the lockdowns
    36:24 The concept of 'hard things'
    40:27 Other endings Kristy had in mind for The Summer Of Songbirds
    44:43 A sequel?
    48:18 The on-hold Peachtree Bluff adaptation
    52:16 What's next (A Happier Life, and and very, very brief peak at Kristy's 2025 book)

  • Charlie and Maggie Brookes (Acts Of Love And War) discuss the small group of British Quakers who went to aid refugees during the Spanish Civil War, the way the war tore families apart as people chose different sides, and why she ended her romantic thread differently than might be expected.

    All referenced media in this episode:
    Francesca Wilson's In The Margins Of Chaos
    Maggie Brookes' Acts Of Love And War
    Maggie Brookes' The Prisoner's Wife

    Buy Acts of Love and War and other books mentioned

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    Discussions

    01:53 The initial inspiration: Professor Farah Mendlesohn's PhD on the Spanish Civil War
    03:39 The very small group of Quakers, including Alfred Jacob, who went out to Spain from Britain to help refugees
    07:02 The real life women in Maggie's book: Francesca Wilson, Kanty Cooper
    09:30 How the Quakers got their supplies to Spain, and the refugee children's colonies
    15:03 What happened to the refugees after the war
    18:26 Maggie's fictional characters - Lucy, Tom, and Jamie and having two brothers on different sides of the war
    22:20 People in Britain who thought Franco was right, and why they thought that, and we mention the non-intervention pact many countries agreed to
    27:27 On why Maggie had one of the brothers die, and who was better for Lucy
    29:59 The ending, Maggie leaving Lucy single
    32:00 Maggie tells us about the inspiration of her first book, The Prisoner's Wife, and Maggie briefs us on what she's writing now

    Photo credit: Lyn Gregory
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