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About the Episode
In the final episode of season 2, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover explores the role education plays in understanding global eco-anxiety and mitigating the climate crisis.
First up, Clover meets with Joe Brindle, founder of the Teach the Future campaign, to learn why our education on the climate crisis has been limited and whether or not it was a deliberate attempt to restrict awareness. We then hear from people around the world experiencing eco-anxiety and advocating for more educational resources on the topic; and finally, Leslie Madema, head of learning at Green School International, to understand what an educational system that prioritises teachings about sustainability and the climate crisis looks like.
Top Quotes
"Our climate education is particularly bad in the UK. The new curriculum changes have tried to push out anything remotely political but what that has done is push out anything societal. And that includes climate change." - Joe Brindle
"My problem with our education system is how it prioritises individualism; how well you'll do in an exam, how smart you are in a traditional way. And that individualism is missing a huge part of the community. Which is a problem because the climate crisis affects us as a society." - Leslie Madema
About the Guests
Joe Brindle is a 19-year-old climate activist and the founder of the Teach the Future campaign. Teach the Future is a youth-led campaign to urgently repurpose the entire education system around the climate emergency and ecological crisis in the UK.
Leslie Madema is head of learning for Green School International Bali. Green School International is a global education network, committed to creating a global community of learners, making the world sustainable.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
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In the penultimate episode of season 2, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover will be learning about nature and extinction and how it aggravates eco-anxiety worldwide.
First, Clover meets environmental filmmaker and Wildlife photographer of the year, Aishwarya Sidhar, to better understand capitalist systems that are driving extinction. We then hear how young people's eco-anxiety has been worsened by ecological extinction; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how our abuse of nature is a direct result of our disconnection from it; and finally, Executive Director of Greenpeace, Jennifer Morgan, on what we can do to save the planet.
Top Quotes
"Our greed and overconsumption of resources is driving the destruction of nature. We have these large corporations that are only after profit. And they are willing to trade our economy for our ecology." - Aishwarya Sidhar
"We framed defeating nature as progress. We have had such a messed up relationship with nature and it's been going on for years. The only way to resolve the climate crises is to value nature again." - Caroline Hickman
About the Guests
Aishwarya Sridhar is an Indian wildlife photographer, presenter, and environmental documentary filmmaker residing in Navi Mumbai. She is the youngest girl to have won the Sanctuary Asia-Young Naturalist Award and the International Camera Fair Award. In 2020, Aishwarya became the first Indian woman to win the Wildlife Photographer of the Year award.
Jennifer Morgan is the executive director of Greenpeace International. Greenpeace is a global network of independent campaigning organizations that use peaceful protest and creative communication to expose global environmental problems and promote solutions that are essential to a green and peaceful future. Check out Jennifer’s instagram here
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
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In this episode, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover investigates how modern politics have generated the climate crisis and heightened global eco-anxiety; and what we must do to find a unifying vision for the future.
First up, Clover meets Colombe Cahen-Salvador, co-founder of ATLAS, to learn more about how politicians have escalated the climate crisis and whether they actually want us to politically disengage. We then hear from young people around the world on how they think politicians have shaped the climate conversation and Clover sits down with Jeremy Oppenheim, the founder of SYSTEMIQ, to learn why it's so hard to find political consensus on tackling the crisis and whether there’s opportunity in our ‘climate odyssey’.
Top Quotes
"Why don't we have an age limit in politics? How come you can run when you're 80 but you can't run when you're 20? It's ridiculous. Someone who is so much older cannot properly represent the youth" - Colombe Cahen-Salvador
"Just look at history. When you look at any society shifting event it wasn't easy. It looked impossible until it was done and it will always look impossible until it's done." - Colombe Cahen-Salvador
About the Guests
Colombe Cahen-Salvador is the co-founder of ATLAS. They push for global change through social campaigns, electoral activities, and direct actions. The movement is fuelled by the passion of people and communities uniting all over the world to fight common global challenges. They are present in over 130 countries with a membership of more than 20,000 people.
Jeremy Oppenheim is the Founder and Managing Partner of SYSTEMIQ - a systems change company that partners with business, finance, policy-makers, and civil society to make economic systems truly sustainable. Jeremy is a regular speaker at global resource productivity and sustainability events, and is lead author of Resource Revolution: Meeting the World's Energy, Materials, Food and Water Needs.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
About the Sponsor
SYSTEMIQ was set up in 2016 and today, is a team of over 250 professionals across the UK, Germany, the Netherlands, Indonesia and Brazil. They started out to bring business, institutions and governments around the same table to drive the implementation of the Paris Agreement and the UN Sustainable Development Goals. Rather than focus on individual companies, SYSTEMIQ takes a coalition and partnership-based approach to ensure the right people are in the room for systems-level transformation. This includes working closely with civil society, academia and finance. Its distinctive approach combines cutting-edge analysis with practical advice, policy insights, and scaling solutions that work locally and globally.
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In the ninth episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover considers how our modern consumerist culture, founded on the desire to accumulate material possessions, has led to the climate crisis and in turn, eco-anxiety.
First up, Clover meets the former Global Communications Lead of Break Free From Plastic and Founder of People Over Plastic, Shilpi Chhotray, to discuss our culture of overconsumption, and why breaking free of consumerism is at the heart of climate action. We then hear the thoughts of young people across the globe, and how their eco-anxiety is exacerbated by consumerist culture; and finally from Artur Litarowicz, Senior Vice President and General Manager of Hair Care for P&G Europe, about how market trends have changed from previous generations and why sustainability is becoming cost-effective for businesses.
Top Quotes
"We can talk about individual change and lifestyle change but with the amount of waste we are generating right now no amount of individual or lifestyle solutions are going to work. We need the corporations to stop it at the source." - Shilpi Chhotray
"We need to sell a vision of a plastic-free world because it's healthier, it's more sustainable, it goes back to our roots, and it's not obsessed with this cycle of consumerism." - Shilpi Chhotray
"In the past few years, we have seen the consumer move from being a passive recipient of the sustainability message to being advocates, and even activists, in that space." - Artur Litarowicz
About the Guests
Shilpi Chhotray is an activist, the former Global Communications Lead of Break Free From Plastic and Founder of People Over Plastic. Prior to joining Break Free From Plastic, Shilpi worked at Mission Blue | Sylvia Earle Alliance to further their mission of igniting public support for a global network of marine protected areas. She holds a Master’s degree in Earth and Environmental Resources Management and her writing has been published in The Economist; Yes! magazine; the Stanford Journal of Law, Science & Policy; Huffington Post, and National Geographic Ocean Views.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
About the Sponsor
The Procter & Gamble Company is an American multinational consumer goods corporation - mainly manufacturing products in the cosmetics and personal care sector; as well as laundry and cleaning supplies. By the end of 2021, P&G Hair Care Europe will have reduced their use of virgin plastic by up to 50%, compared to the beginning of their sustainability journey back in 2016. They have done this by introducing more post-consumer recycled plastic into their bottles and establishing the Good Refill System. According to P&G, 63% of consumers in Europe say that they are actively trying to reduce the amount of waste they produce, and close to 50% state that they are looking for refills to help them achieve this. Their new scheme uses refillable aluminium bottles with recyclable refill pouches that use 65% less plastic compared to a regular shampoo bottle. This is the equivalent of 300 million fewer plastic bottles per year!
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In the eighth episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover explores how our relationship with food contributes to global eco-anxiety and the climate crisis.
First up, Clover meets the founder of the food waste initiative TooGoodToGo, Jamie Crummie, to discuss the enormity of our problematic global food system, and why managing food waste is the single most impactful thing individuals can do to lessen their CO2 impact. We then hear from young people about their eco-anxiety in relation to food; and Vice President of Agriculture for PepsiCo, Christine Daugherty, to find out if global corporations are envisioning a new phase for food production - and what that may look like.
Top Quotes
"Fighting food waste is the no.1 most impactful, simplest solution that we as individuals, as leaders, as businesses, can do to reverse the effects of climate change." - Jamie Crummie
"Rather than it totally being around individual responsibility, there needs to be wholesale changes to our food system. We need to understand food waste is fundamentally a systemic issue." - Jamie Crummie
About the Guests
Jamie Crummie is the founder of TooGoodToGo: a food waste initiative and mobile application that connects customers to restaurants and stores that have unsold food surplus.
Christine Daugherty is VP Global Sustainable Agriculture & Responsible Sourcing for PepsiCo. PepsiCo, Inc. is an American based multinational food, snack, and beverage corporation. It ranks as one of the largest companies worldwide in terms of market share.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
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In the seventh episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover rifles through the world of fast fashion to discover the true extent of its impact on the climate crisis, and how this accentuates global eco-anxiety.
First up, Clover sits down with environmentalist blogger, Aditi Mayer, to track the origins of fast fashion, and understand how our disposable culture has unravelled our sense of what is, and what is not art. Later in the show, our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, explains why our definition of beauty has been corrupted by our disregard for nature; and finally, Clover chats to Michael Doughty, co-founder of Hylo Athletics, to learn about the companies redesigning our fashion and textiles industries for a more sustainable future.
Top Quotes
"Traditionally, we had four fashion seasons: Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter. With fast fashion, it became 52 seasons a year." - Aditi Mayer
"Fast fashion has caused us to see clothes as a disposable commodity rather than the art that it is." - Aditi Mayer
About the Guests
Aditi Mayer is a sustainable fashion blogger, photojournalist, labour rights activist, and frequent speaker on topics of social and environmental justice. Her work looks at fashion and culture through a lens of intersectionality and decolonisation.
Michael Doughty is the Co-Founder and Managing Director of Hylo Athletics. Hylo is a sustainable footwear and athletics manufacturer with a number of sustainability goals and pledges at the heart of their business.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
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In the sixth episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover dives deeper into eco-feminism and the impact of the climate crisis on women & girls.
Through her conversation with Nergiz De Baere, creator of ChicksforClimate, Clover unearths the disproportionate effects of the climate crisis on women. We then hear from young people whose stories have been shaped by gender inequality; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on why women need to ‘embrace their inner bitch’; and finally, Firdaous El Honsali, Global Communications Director of Dove, on whether companies champion women’s voices or continue to silence them.
Top Quotes
"The people who are impacted the most by climate change don't have a voice in the policy-making part of fighting it." - Nergiz De Baere
"Eco-feminism seeks to make a connection between how capitalism and the patriarchy exploit both the planet and women. Ecofeminism connects those two things together as one." - Nergiz De Baere
About the Guests
Nergiz De Baere is the creator of ChicksforClimate, an online platform dedicated to communicating the intersection of environmentalism and feminism, now at +400k community members.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
Firdaous El Honsali is Global Communications and Sustainability Director of Dove, a Unilever brand. She has a demonstrated history of working in the consumer goods industry, with a clear passion for beauty brands and driving purpose-driven communications and sustainable strategy. She was listed in the 2020 global #Influencer50 list.
About the Sponsor
Dove - a Unilever brand - is on a mission to help women and girls around the world. The Dove Self-Esteem Project (DSEP) is the biggest provider of self-esteem education in the world and has already reached more than 69 million young people across 150 countries since 2004. In 2019, Dove partnered with UNICEF to help deliver self-esteem education to 10 million young people in Brazil, India and Indonesia. In addition, Dove recently launched the Forest Restoration Project, which will restore 20,000 hectares of forest in North Sumatra, Indonesia, as well as protect the livelihoods of 16,000 people in the community.
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About the Episode
In the sixth episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover dives deeper into eco-feminism and the impact of the climate crisis on women & girls.
Through her conversation with Nergiz De Baere, creator of ChicksforClimate, Clover unearths the disproportionate effects of the climate crisis on women. We then hear from young people whose stories have been shaped by gender inequality; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on why women need to ‘embrace their inner bitch’; and finally, Firdaous El Honsali, Global Communications Director of Dove, on whether companies champion women’s voices or continue to silence them.
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"The people who are impacted the most by climate change don't have a voice in the policy-making part of fighting it." - Nergiz De...
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In the fifth episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover sets on a journey to uncover our relationship with water and how this vital element is at the core of the climate crisis.
Firstly, Clover meets water rights activist, Beze Gray, to analyse why water rights & scarcity will become an increasingly ubiquitous problem for all. Later on, young people around the world share how our fractious relationship with water worsens their eco-anxiety. We then hear from our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how water can represent the human ego; and finally, Frantz and Oya from P&G to discuss why water scarcity will lead to global conflict and how innovation can help mitigate future water wars.
Top Quotes
"The water systems don't belong to anyone. It's just water. You can't have ownership of that. It's a western thing to say you own the water. Indigenous people would never do that. It just flows. " - Beze Gray
"The symbolism of water is really the way to understand it. Water does not respect us, we need to respect water. Water doesn't respect boundaries; it flows across boundaries. Will we ever wake up to respect the natural cycle, or will we ruin it for everyone?" - Caroline Hickman
About the Guests
Beze Gray is an Anishnaabe land/water protector and student from Aamjiwnaang First Nation in Ontario and is one of seven young people taking the Ford government to court for weakening Ontario’s 2030 climate target. Growing up in an area near Sarnia also known as Chemical Valley, Beze has witnessed the impacts of the fossil fuel industry firsthand.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
Frantz Beznik is the Global Head of Sustainable Innovation at Procter & Gamble - a company selling products to 5 billion people every day. With more than 20 years of experience at P&G, Frantz is a passionate leader working across big brands like Tide, Ariel, Swiffer, and Mr Clean. His obsession is to “Make Sustainable Irresistible” - with his most recent innovation being the 50L home, which aims to lower urban water consumption.
Oya Öngör is Senior Vice President Europe Homecare at Procter & Gamble.
About the Sponsor
Fairy dishwashing liquid - a P&G brand - aims to drive sustainable consumption through performance. With Fairy, consumers can wash in cool water – by only reducing by 20 degrees the water washing temperature, consumers can reduce up to 50% of the CO2, based on the life cycle analysis.
75% of consumers surveyed by Fairy pre-rinse dishes, with an average water consumption of 4 liters each time. Yet Fairy dishwasher capsules are so powerful that consumers can skip pre-rinse and wash in eco-cycle, saving energy and water. Across packaging, they’ve increased recycled plastic in their bottles in Europe from 15 to 50% in the last 2 years.
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In the fourth episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover sheds light on the intersection of climate justice and social justice being two sides of the same coin.
First up, Clover meets Isaias Hernandez, creator of QueerBrownVegan, to deconstruct the climate crisis, racism, and inequality, and learn how these topics intersect. We then hear from young people around the world, sharing how social inequalities affect their eco-anxiety; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how to channel these emotions into constructive action; and finally, Rob Cameron, global head of affairs with Nestle, on why those that contribute the least to the climate crisis end up experiencing the worst of it.
Top Quotes
"Although urban planners or scientists may have expertise in what to build and how to do it, what they miss is the component of cultural experiences - how those communities are designed and how they operate - so having people from those communities representing them is the best situation. We can not solve this climate crisis purely through 'experts'; we need a multitude of experts from different communities." - Isaias Hernandez
"It's been known for some time that the people who will experience the worst effects of climate change are those who have had the least responsibility for it." - Rob Cameron
About the Guests
Isaias Hernandez is an Environmental Educator and creator of QueerBrownVegan where he creates introductory forms of environmentalism through colourful graphics, illustrations, and videos. He seeks to provide a safe space for like-minded environmentalists to advance the discourse around the climate crisis.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
Rob Cameron is Global Head of Public Affairs at Nestlé SA. His career has been spent driving progress in sustainable development through the private sector. Before joining Nestlé, he was Chief Executive of sustainability strategy consultancy and think tank SustainAbility, and Chief Executive of Fairtrade International.
About the Sponsor
Nestlé is a global food and beverage company present in 187 countries. Nestlé offers a wide portfolio of products and services for people and their pets throughout their lives. The company is committed to reaching net zero emissions no later than 2050 throughout its entire value chain, aligned with the 1.5 degree Paris pathway. It is working across the food system to invest in regenerative agriculture, unlock the power of food and enhance quality of life for everyone, today and for generations to come.
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In the third episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover explores our world of plastic and its impact on people and the planet. First up, Clover meets Melati Wijsen, founder of Bye Bye Plastic Bags. Melati explains why our oceans are drowning in plastic, and how that could gravely impact all life on this planet. We then hear from young people around the world experiencing eco-anxiety; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how to harness our emotions in a rapidly changing world; and finally, VP of Dove, Allesandro Manfredi, on how global corporations are beginning to address the issue.
Top Quotes
"By 2050 there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish." - Melati Wijsen
"Plastic is cheap, its single use, and then we forget about it once it's served its purpose. It's actually a really good symbol for all that is wrong with us." - Melati Wijsen
About the Guests
Melati Wijsen is an Indonesian/Dutch activist and change maker. She founded Bye Bye Plastic Bags with her younger sister in 2013 and has successfully banned plastic bags, straws and Styrofoam from their home island, Bali, as of 2019. She has also started the people movement One Island One Voice and the social enterprise, Mountain Mama's; has spoken at TED and the United Nations, and has also been selected among Forbes top ten most inspiring women in the country.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
About the Sponsor
Dove - a Unilever brand - is on a mission to eliminate virgin plastic from its products. By 2025, all Dove packaging will either be made from 100% recycled plastic, refillable or be reusable. This will reduce the manufacture of more than 20,500 tonnes of virgin plastic per year. Dove are also trialling new refillable deodorant, and will be making their iconic Beauty Bar packaging plastic-free globally.
You can learn more about their commitment at: https://www.dove.com/us/en/stories/about-dove/plastics-commitment.html
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In the second episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover discerns how our media has shaped the climate narrative in the past, and how we can leverage it to accelerate climate action.
First up, Clover speaks with filmmaker and fellow climate activist, Jack Harries, about what ‘woke’ him up to the climate crisis and why, in his words, it’s been the ‘story we failed to tell.’ We then hear from young people around the world sharing how media impacts their eco-anxiety; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how to navigate these climate emotions; and finally the President of the New York Times, Stephan Dunbar-Smith, on how legacy media should step up to communicate the climate crisis.
Top Quotes
"If we look at the climate story over the last 30 - 40 years very often it has focused on doom and gloom, and denial. We have failed to communicate the human impact. Which is a shame because, as people, we are moved by human stories. If we instead said that in 30-40 years they'll be food shortages and crops will fail en masse, suddenly that animal instinct within us wakes up. In many ways, climate change is the story we failed to tell." - Jack Harries
"We have to give people the honour of telling them the truth about the climate crisis." - Caroline Hickman
About the Guests
Jack Harries is a documentary photographer, filmmaker and activist. In 2011 he created JacksGap, a successful YouTube channel and blog that has over 4 million subscribers. Through his work, Jack raises awareness about the climate crisis, forced migration and mental health. Over the last few years, he has covered environmental stories in Greenland, Somaliland, Bhutan and Kiribati. He also serves as a World Wildlife Fund ambassador and holds an MA in Ethnography and Documentary Filmmaking from UCL.
Stephen Dunbar-Johnson is the President International of The New York Times Company. Dunbar-Johnson is responsible for the oversight and strategic development of the Times Company’s international businesses. Dunbar-Johnson was appointed president, International for The New York Times Company in October 2013 to lead the global expansion of the company.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
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In the first episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover embarks on a journey to learn more about how our production and use of energy contributes both to the climate crisis, and the rise of eco-anxiety.
First up, Clover sits down with activist Aneesa Khan to understand more how the lies told by the fossil fuel industry perpetuate our ‘addiction’. We then hear from young people around the world, sharing how their eco-anxiety is impacted by fossil fuels; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how to navigate these feelings; and finally, Kate from OVO Energy - on how we can power our homes sustainably.
Top Quotes
"The injustice of the climate crises is why I'm here. Wealthy countries, countries in the global north, the fossil fuel industry, and corporations are very much responsible for the climate crises but the people who are bearing its burden are our young people, women, people of colour and indigenous people." - Aneesa
"There is money in the world. The governments around the globe spent 13 trillion dollars bailing out the banks during the financial crises. They have money for the climate crises. They're just not giving it out." - Aneesa
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Clover Hogan is a 22-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis.
About the Guests
Aneesa Khan is an Indian-born climate activist who has decided to dedicate herself to the movement for climate justice. She studied international environmental law and politics at College of the Atlantic, and has attended UN climate conferences in Lima, Paris, Marrakesh, and Katowice.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.
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Hi, my name's Clover and welcome to Season 2 of the Force of Nature Podcast: We need to talk about eco-anxiety.
Some of you may be wondering what eco-anxiety is while others may be struggling with it right now. This podcast is for both of you.
For those curious listeners who want to understand the impacts of climate change on our mental health, this podcast is your crash course.
Each week on the show we'll be exploring a different face of the climate crisis: from the food we eat, to our relationship with the media, our addiction to fossil fuels, and everything in-between.
I'll be speaking to leading experts and global companies about challenges and solutions. You'll also hear from young people around the world who feel eco-anxious, and hear from our resident psychotherapist Caroline Hickman about how to navigate some of these feelings.
And for those who feel eco-anxious right now, I'm here to tell you that you're not alone. And far from being a sign of weakness, your eco-anxiety is totally normal; in fact, it's a sign of your empathy - proof that you're awake to the issues.
I believe that talking about our eco-anxiety is the first step to turning it into agency, community and vision.
So, let's talk about eco-anxiety.
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In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with James Arbib - co-founder of RethinkX, the non-profit think tank exploring how technology will shape the future and disrupt all levels of society. From lab-grown meat to driverless, electric cars, James helps leaders make better decisions for an equitable, healthy, and resilient society. In this episode, Clover and James discuss the influences that shape our lives, planning for uncertainty, and whether the system really is too broken to create meaningful change.
Episode notes
01:40 - 14:46) Asking if the “system” is too broken for meaningful change; why we can’t keep plastering over problems with token solutions; and why technology can only take us so far in delivering utopia.
14:46 - 21:23) What happens when people decide to opt out of the system; understanding how power operates to create space for new leaders; why positive exponential change is (and must be made) possible.
21:23 - 33:42) Learning to navigate uncertainty while planning for mass-disruption; finding society’s new narrative; and rewriting social contracts.
33:42 - 40:05) Beginning to rethink much of how we live, breathe and exist in the 21st century; stripping back complexity to uncover universal truths; why we find change so terrifying; and how to create the conditions for the best in society to emerge.
40:05 - 51:38) Why climate change demands a new story - not of fear, but of the world that’s possible; looking forward rather than regressing to past certainties; sustainable solutions presented as opportunities rather sacrifice.
51:38 - 1:02:56 ) Dismantling society’s dominion complex to redistribute power to the people; solving problems through the lens of intersectionality; creating the conditions for a new world to emerge.
Top quotes
“You never see a leading civilization of one era becoming the leading civilization of the next era because there's too much resistance to change within the leaders… it's always someone on the edge.” - James
“We see these glimpses of what’s possible when lots of people come together.” - Clover
“The reason we've been successful as a society is our ability to be social creatures, work together and rally around stories. How can we reclaim that narrative?” - Clover
“The stories we tell about the climate are terrifying, right? That’s paralyzing at some level - and we do ourselves a disservice by focusing on the fear side too much.” - James
“There's a saying we have in society: ‘where there's a will, there’s a way’. It's framed the wrong way around. It should be: ‘where there's a way, there's a will’, meaning if we can see what's possible, we will find the will to get there.” - James
About the guest(s)
James Arbib is the co-Founder of RethinkX, a not-for-profit think tank that has developed a framework to better understand the non-linear nature of technology disruption across the economy and its broad implications across society. It aims to provide key decision makers (policy-makers, investors and businesses) with insight and data that captures the potential and implications of these disruptions, to help society make better choices. He also serves in a number of advisory roles in the Investment and Sustainability sectors.
Resources
RethinkX https://www.rethinkx.com/
Read the latest report from RethinkX, “Rethink Humanity”: https://www.rethinkx.com/humanity
About the host
Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has... -
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Maryam Pasha - master story-teller, Director of TEDxLondon, and the founder of XEquals. With a background in the human rights and charity sector, Maryam found her piece of the jigsaw helping people tell their stories, and give life to their ideas - especially those made to feel like imposters. In this conversation, Clover and Maryam discuss overcoming inner gremlins, the rise of armchair experts, the key to persuading anyone, and how to create a world where no one’s left behind.
Episode notes
01:36 - 07:30) Why society needs to hear new stories; how you’re made to feel like an imposter; and unzipping the identity “costumes” we hide behind.
07:30 - 15:00) Dismantling the meritocracy; mythology throughout human history; why we don’t have a progressive, cosmopolitan narrative that’s working; letting go of our projections onto others.
15:00 - 22:38 ) What happens when childhood dreams are pushed into the furnace of the industrial complex; the Hedonic treadmill of always wanting more; how the standardised education system enslaves us to the 9 - 5.
22:38 - 30:03 ) Learning to tell your story and embrace the sh*tty first draft; ending the pursuit of perfection; and embracing fear of failure.
30:03 - 37:40) Don’t listen to the armchair expert; befriending the inner gremlins that tell you you’re not good enough; unpacking your core destructive beliefs.
37:40 - 43:20) Making change starts with doing what you’re good at; be the drop of change that starts the tsunami; finding focus to change the big picture.
43:20 - 46:38) Climate change is the symptom of broken systems - there’s no climate justice without social justice; creating a world where no one’s left behind; is there such a thing as “too diverse”?
46:38 - 49:51) Dividing society into four categories, and how to speak to each; the difference between a campaigner and activist; and learning to influence people’s knowledge, attitudes and practice through TED.
49:51 - 57:04 ) The essential ingredients for persuasion; how to show up and be an ally; building your tribe and choosing who you surround yourself with.
Top quotes
“As a society, we need to hear new ideas and new stories from new storytellers because I think that's where we're going to find the solutions to the big problems that we're facing.” - Maryam
“I felt like such an outsider for so long because the stories that society told me were ones of not belonging. I embraced it as a survival technique. I think lots of people in alternative communities do this.” - Maryam
“Every single one of us is a drop. All the efforts we make are a drop. And we have no idea which drop is going to be the one that overflows, that changes the tide.” - Maryam
“It is the responsibility of men to stand for equality for women and to call out bad behavior. So too is it my responsibility as a CIS white woman to stand up for our people in the LGBTQ+ community. None of us can say, “It’s not my position, it’s not my role, it’s not my story” - it's part of the fabric of the society that we want to create.” - Clover
“When overwhelmed in the face of these big messy challenges, it's so easy to revert to tribal mentality and look back, rather than look forward, in the face of uncertainty.” - Clover
About the guest(s)
Maryam Pasha is a master story-teller, Director of TEDxLondon, and the founder of XEquals. She’s also the founder and lead curator for TEDxEastEnd - running 13 large and small TEDx events. With a background in the human rights and charity sector, Maryam found her piece of the jigsaw helping people tell their stories, and give life to their ideas - especially those made to feel like imposters. In this conversation, Clover and Maryam discuss overcoming inner gremlins,... -
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Sacha Dench - an award-winning conservationist, adventurer and UN ambassador. Sacha has been called ‘the Human Swan’ since she took to the skies in 2016. Equipped with a propellor on her back and a piece of fabric to keep her airborne, Sacha migrated with the swans from Arctic Russia to the UK, crossing 11 countries, to find out why the bird population was plummeting. In this conversation, Clover and Sacha chat overcoming fear, finding a mandate bigger than yourself, and reconciling loss in a changing world.
Episode notes
01:31 - 10:18) Letting go of ego to achieve a mandate bigger than yourself; Sacha’s catalyst for taking to the skies; learning to fly in the face of “impossible”.
10:18 - 25:45) Finding allies in unusual places; why James Bond saved the day (seriously!); the power of “overview effect” - seeing the world from above.
25:45 - 35:31) Why we shut down in the face of global challenges; setting aside the shouting to invite people to be one of the good guys; the power of the media when it chooses to be a force for good.
35:31 - 38:45 ) Why we’re numb to the climate and ecological crisis; how social media and “hashtag activism” swathe us in the assurance we’re doing our bit; what happens when people wake up to their individual power.
38:45 - 48:45) Navigating critics - including our inner ones; rekindling deep awe and appreciation for nature; losing your home to climate change, and finding inspiration in the rubble.
48:45 - 54:00) Climate change does not discriminate - responding to threats in a globalised world; how communities on the frontlines are already learning to adapt; realising interconnectedness.
54:00 - 58:45) Reigniting the moral conviction of youth; why society’s narratives keep us feeling disempowered; grounding in “intrinsic” values to rewrite the stories that keep you from finding your WHY.
58:45 - 1:11:16) The power of assumptions, and how to shake up your own; thinking about legacy; reconciling our mortality to live life to its fullest.
Top quotes
“I’d like to think that I have taken the weird collection of skills and passions that make me, me and I’ve used them for the most good in the world.” - Sacha
“We have won the lottery of life on this planet. But I think we tend to fixate on the mini lotteries that we lose.” - Clover
“I also try and apply the same sort of empathy that conservationists have for the animals, and apply that to people. We often miss that most people actually aren’t bad.” - Sacha
“We’re carving our names so deeply in the tree of life that we look as if we’re about to kill it. And that comes from fear of our own mortality.” - Clover
About the guest(s)
Sacha Dench is an award-winning conservationist (founder of Conservation Without Borders), adventurer and UN ambassador. Her groundbreaking expedition ‘Flight of the Swans’ saw her flying by paramotor from Arctic Russia across 11 countries to the UK to help save the Bewick’s swan. She has been awarded the 2018 Britannia Trophy for the most meritorious performance in aviation (previously awarded to Sir Richard Branson and the Red Arrows and not won by a woman since 1967), a Woman of the Year 2017 and the Environment Campaign of the Year 2017 among others. She also holds the record for the First Channel Crossing by Paramotor for a woman.
Resources
Conservation Without Borders: https://www.conservation-without-borders.org/
Sacha’s personal website: http://www.sachadench.com/
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In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Pam Warhurst - founder of Incredible Edible. Pam’s history as an activist goes back four decades, but in 2008 she experienced a catalyst that ignited a global movement out of her backyard. In this conversation, Clover and Pam unpack people’s power, finding where you’re smartest, and building back communities to weather society’s biggest storms.
Episode notes
02:04 - 04:56) Pam’s flashbulb moment came out of frustration at doomism; why food was the catalyst for a grassroots movement; and how ordinary people achieve extraordinary things when given the chance.
04:56 - 10:53) Incredible Edible turned global; the source of society’s disconnect; and why climate change is the ultimate trump card.
10:43 - 18:06) The problem is the system, not the individuals; how we all need to take ownership of the solutions; and why now is the time to beg for forgiveness, not ask for permission.
18:06 - 27:35) Letting go of the “we’re better than you” mentality; creating an invitation too good to turn down; delivering sustainable systems that meet the needs of all.
27:35 - 39:57) Rewriting our social contracts to deliver climate and social justice; realising that technology will only take us so far; and beginning to write a new normal.
39:57 - 52:29) Decisions outside of closed-door rooms; the power of individuals sharing their stories; and how to recognise your gifts, then offer them.
52:29 - 1:00:01) Don’t let your convictions fall by the wayside; have the courage to imagine a better world; and learn to become an unrelenting optimist.
Top quotes
“In a society that can persuade people to buy bottled water, we can persuade people to live life differently, right? This is not rocket science.” - Pam
“We have been given the greatest gift of all, which is the gift of life on this planet - yet we navigate our lives in the 21st century focusing on the mini lotteries that we lose every day.” - Clover
“We've got problems. We haven't respected all species. We've created a culture of greed and consumption. All that is true. So what are we going to do about it?” - Pam
“We need to build a world where decisions are made locally. You are unlikely to pollute a local watercourse if you live in the area of that watercourse; you are unlikely to want to build houses in a floodplain if you’ve lived in a floodplain. You are more likely to get those nuances, and put that extra resource in, if you live in that locality.” - Pam
“Ultimately, it's up to us to stop being a victim. Stop waiting for permission, stop saying I can only do it with money. Do it with the gifts that you've got because you've got them; just play them and see where you go.” - Pam
About the guest(s)
Pam Warhurst co-founded Incredible Edible in 2008, after her town of 50,000 people was hit by horrific floods - exposing its vulnerability to climate change. Having been in the inner circles of politics and business, Pam was fed up with empty promises and climate doomism. So she sat at the kitchen table with friends and explored how they could make their community more resilient, and more prosperous. Their answer was food. Specifically, ‘propaganda gardening’. Now, Incredible Edible has 120 groups across the UK, and over a thousand worldwide, all of whom are taking back their food sovereignty.
Resources
Incredible Edible
https://www.incredibleedible.org.uk/
About the host
Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities -
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Dr. Elly Hanson - a clinical psychologist who applies lessons from the way we think, and feel, to some of society’s messiest problems. From childhood abuse, to trauma, and more recently, the climate crisis, Elly doesn’t shy away from hard questions. In this conversation, we ask: what do you stand for? Who do you stand for? And who are you willing to stand up against in the fight for what’s right?
Episode notes
01:31 - 06:59) A crash course in climate psychology; the relationship between trauma and denial; and why young people are experiencing eco-anxiety, ecophobia, and feelings of powerlessness in the face of cataclysmic environmental change.
06:49 - 12:15) Intergenerational conflict; understanding why we have emotions and how to harness helpful ones; and holding the tension between despair and optimism.
12:15 - 18:59) How society brings out the worst in us, and how to unhook from bad values; dismantling the survival of the fittest myth; and inviting society to a culture of community, connection and contribution.
18:59 - 28:30) How death is treated in different cultures; the connection between climate denial and our fear of death; and the power of finding something you’d die for, to realise the meaning of life.
28:30 - 41:36) Values strengthened in the face of adversity; welcoming confrontation; and setting aside our differences to make society better for everybody.
Top quotes
“With whatever action we decide to pursue, we need to go into it completely unshackled from expectation or unshackled from outcome, because it's just the right thing to do.” - Clover
“All that we do have is our soul, and we can give our soul, and contribute to being a part of the universe. And that's all that we can really do in the end. And for me - that is a life worth living.” - Elly
“Sometimes living in a very values-led way can mean that you are challenged. We will come across confrontation, and if we don't, then we're kind of not in the right space because the status quo isn't values-led - so let's bring on that challenge.” - Elly
“Even if climate change was not happening, we've got a problem. We've got the powerful oppressing those with less power, we've got huge amounts of human suffering and abuse, and relationship problems, and poverty, and inequality, and mental health problems…. so maybe climate change is the crisis that we need to stand up to.” - Elly
“Both despair and optimism allow you to sit on the sidelines. Hope is that place in the messy middle, where you're able to hold the tension between confronting how we all have been complicit in creating these problems, while also entertaining another future that is possible.” - Clover
About the guest(s)
Elly Hanson is an independent Clinical Psychologist and researcher working across diverse sectors to apply psychology to some of society’s most pressing problems. She has undertaken a variety of research studies with young people and worked to apply their insights to policy and practice. Elly is a consultant to the PSHE Association, supporting evidence-based life education that foregrounds autonomy, values and good relationships.
Resources
“Hope in the Dark” by Rebecca Solnit
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28048.Hope_in_the_Dark
“The Inner Level” by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40163368-the-inner-level?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=mlP30yeeau&rank=1
“The Righteous Mind - Why Good People Disagree About Politics and Religion” by Jonathan Haidt -
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Farhana Yamin - an environmental lawyer who has been at the highest level of international climate negotiations for over 25 years. In early 2019, Farhana joined Extinction Rebellion to glue herself to the pavement outside the Shell building in London. In this episode, Farhana and Clover discuss when to fight, how the key to solving the climate crisis lies in community, and why the flipside of how royally we’ve messed up the planet is how many ways there are to help it.
Episode notes
01:33 - 5:00) Farhana’s catalyst for glueing herself outside the Shell building; why non-violent direct action is essential for disrupting business as usual.
05:00 - 8:50) Behind the curtain of corporate greenwashing; how big oil dupes the public; and igniting a people’s based movement.
8:50 - 17:25) Why power does not give itself up; the power of Gen Z to shake up capitalism; and how change is starting at the grassroots with Think & Do.
17:25 - 28:00) Just as the problems are myriad, so too are the solutions; understanding if climate collapse is inevitable; and placing people and communities at the centre of climate action.
28:00 - 34:00) What inclusivity looks like on a global level; transforming the extractive economy; dissolving binaries; and the decentralised, grassroots solutions that inspire hope.
34:00 - 37:00) The role of intergenerational exchange; why the climate crisis is symptomatic of systems ripe for disruption; and how change ripples out.
37:00 - 45:05) Understanding the diversity of lived experience of all life on this planet; appreciating what’s right in front of us; and why action begins with imagination.
Top quotes
“Power does not give itself up without that demand.” - Farhana
“The invitation of creating new systems is what needs to ignite that individual agency.” - Clover
“Just as the problems are myriad, so too are the solutions. No matter what you're passionate about, there's a way for you to fit into the 7.6-billion-piece puzzle.” - Clover
“Our human response to a worsening climate in many cases has got to be to rebuild kinder, regenerative, more socially integrated, more just communities.” - Farhana
About the guest(s)
Farhana Yamin is the international climate lawyer responsible for getting the target of net zero emissions by 2050 included in the Paris accord. Farhana has advised world leaders and countries for over 20 years, and in addition to publishing numerous books and articles on the nexus of climate change and development, she is the founder of both Track 0 and Think and Do - the grassroots hub for community action.
Resources
Track 0- http://track0.org/
Think and Do - https://www.thinkanddocamden.org.uk/
Find Farhana on Twitter - https://twitter.com/farhanaclimate
An extended bio - https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/farhana-yamin
Read about Farhana’s role in Extinction Rebellion in this Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/19/farhana-yamin-extinction-rebellion-unglue-shell
About the host
Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the... -
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Marcus J Ball - who, in May of 2019, found his name splashed across every major news outlet around the world. Marcus had launched a crowdfunded private prosecution case against Boris Johnson. The case? Lying in politics. This episode is about truth, democracy, and the corruption of our leaders - as well as finding your obsession, facing up to fears of not being enough, and why loss, grief and death can be the greatest gifts of all.
Episode notes
01:23 - 06:43) Why Marcus was catalysed to take on a system many of us deem too broken to fix; a glimpse behind the curtain of politics; and the role of truth in democracy.
06:43 - 10:28) How politicians get away with lying to the people; the breakdown of trust in society; and why power is like a blackhole.
10:28 - 18:55) The corrupt underbelly of politics in the democratised world; the relationships between people with power; and how corruption runs rampant in media and journalism.
18:55 - 23:57) Why you should serve a mission greater than yourself; knowing what you want to be remembered for on your deathbed; and how we can begin to take back power.
23:57 - 28:52) Choosing not to sit on the sidelines; why working within corporations breeds obedience; and finding solutions in even the messiest of problems.
28:52 - 32:15) Learning to befriend failure; the role of naive optimism; and why being obsessed with solving a problem kills ego, and feeds confidence.
32:15 - 39:14) Why loss, death and grief are essential to realising your mandate; reconnecting with the moral compass of youth; and wielding your privilege to take action.
39:14- 45:58) Have society’s problems become too complex to solve? Owning up to our individual responsibility; how impact comes from focus; why the narrative of individual activism is broken; and uncovering our peak humanity.
45:58 - 48:38) How to save the world without carrying the weight of it on your shoulders; being driven by the future that is possible; and why your value lies in contribution.
48:38 - 52:29) Creating a legacy; overcoming the feeling of not being enough; and learning to let go of what you can’t control.
52:29 - 55:10) Why we feel overwhelmed and immobilised by climate change; how to navigate our feelings of powerlessness; and the self-limiting beliefs that stop us from fulfilling our potential.
55:10 - 1:03:13) Does humanity need an upgrade? Seeing the bigger picture to solve society’s greatest challenges; the thing that makes us human; and a debate on whether robots should be left to rule the world.
Top quotes
“The closer you get to a black hole, the more everything around it is distorted and doesn't make any sense. The rules of physics and everything change. When it comes to power, the closer you get to powerful people, all of the rules around them start to change.” - Marcus
“You should always try and do things which are important, even if it's possible you fail, because that's the only way anything ever gets done ever.” - Marcus
“Part of our problem is that we’re not fully willing to look in the face of what has already been lost by way of species, habitat, human life, relationships, culture, indigenous culture… because it is so painful. And enshrined in that pain is the realisation that we are all complicit in the problems, and by the very nature of how we live every day, continue to contribute to these problems.” - Clover
“You can't carry the weight of the world on your shoulders, because I've seen in friends and I've seen it in myself, the impact that that has, and how it can actually make you really ineffective… because you are being driven by fear, rather than being driven by what is possible.” - Clover
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