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In this episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti is joined by Jody Gunn-Russell and Camille Lemouchoux, two trailblazers in humanitarian staff well-being. Together, they recount the inspiring story of the NGO Staff Wellbeing Network, from its inception to its evolution into a vibrant community of practice. The conversation dives into the challenges of fostering well-being in the humanitarian sector, the systemic changes needed, and the collective efforts required to support staff across diverse cultural and organizational contexts.
Jody Gunn-Russell: Founder of the NGO Staff Wellbeing Network, Jody has over a decade of experience in humanitarian HR. She now works in the care sector, exploring innovative approaches to staff well-being while raising her young family.Camille Lemouchoux: A professional coach and trainer with over 25 years in the humanitarian sector, Camille specializes in leadership development and well-being. She is spearheading efforts to create a Francophone version of the NGO Staff Wellbeing Network.
Guest bios:Key takeaways:
1. The importance of peer support: Sharing practices and resources helps alleviate the loneliness felt by many in the humanitarian field.
2. System change is necessary: Organizational cultures need to prioritize staff well-being as a core value, not an afterthought.
3. Inclusion and diversity: Future efforts should focus on engaging local NGOs and creating multilingual, culturally sensitive spaces
4. Wellbeing as a leadership responsibility: Leaders can adopt a coaching mindset, focusing on asking the right questions rather than having all the answers.
5. Advocacy with donors: Advocating for donor funding to include well-being costs can make well-being initiatives more sustainable.Resources to explore:
The NGO Staff Well-being Network for professionals who care to share resources, ideas and strategies to improve NGO staff wellbeing meets quarterly online. Fill out this form to express interest in joining.
The Graduate Course in Humanitarian Leadership and Crisis Leadership Program by the Center for Humanitarian Leadership
Other episodes of the Embodying Change podcast
Episode 53. Overcoming Imposter Syndrome with with Torrey Peace on SpotifyEpisode 27. Everyone needs a safe space to flourish with Oge Chukwudozie on SpotifyEpisode 22. The data tells a story with Dr. Liza Jachens on SpotifyThe Perspective Coaching Collective - tailored leadership and well-being training and coaching solutions for humanitarian organizations: https://www.linkedin.com/company/collectif-perspectives-coaching/
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In this heartfelt conversation, Dimple Dhabalia shares her journey from working in the government and humanitarian sectors to advocating for trauma-informed leadership and workforce well-being. Through the lens of her personal experiences and her book Tell Me My Story, Dimple explores the vital shift from “service before self” to a more sustainable, human-centered approach. This episode dives into the complexity of moral injury, the ripple effect of self-care in leadership, and how we can reframe our approach to service to prioritize both humanity and well-being.
Guest Background:
Dimple Dhabalia is a seasoned humanitarian professional and author of Tell Me My Story: Challenging the Narrative of Service Before Self. With nearly two decades of experience in asylum and refugee policy and operations for the U.S. government, Dimple transitioned to focus on workforce mental health and well-being, organizational trauma, and moral injury. Her work and insights are dedicated to reshaping the way we approach service, leadership, and self-care in high-stress, misson-driven environments.Top Learning Points:
Moral Injury in Humanitarian Work: Dimple explains how moral injury—feeling a deep conflict between personal beliefs and professional duties—affects humanitarian workers and government employees, especially when policies conflict with their values.The Power of Self-Care and Boundaries: From the trauma of burnout to the importance of disconnecting, Dimple highlights how taking time for self-care is vital for both personal well-being and professional effectiveness.Human-Centered Leadership: Shifting from metrics-focused to human-centered leadership can create environments of trust, creativity, and collaboration that improve team dynamics and reduce burnout.Creating Space for Healing: Dimple emphasizes the importance of modeling empathy and compassion, and how small shifts in leadership style—such as fostering psychological safety and encouraging boundaries—can have a profound impact on team health.Resources mentioned:
Tell Me My Story: Challenging the Narrative of Service Before Self by Dimple DhabaliaPodcast: Service Without Sacrifice–conversations on hope + healingPodcast: What Would Ted Lasso DoProject: /rōot/ by dimple dhabalia on SubstackBook Mention: Pause–Harnessing the Life-Changing Power of Giving Yourself a Break by Rachael O’MearaQuotes:
"Service doesn’t require sacrifice—well-being should be a normal part of our everyday work and life." – Dimple Dhabalia"Moral injury is a natural response when your professional role and personal beliefs don’t align." – Dimple Dhabalia"True leadership isn’t about titles; it’s about how we show up in the world." – Dimple Dhabalia"Creating space for healing starts with being authentic and modeling the change we want to see." – Dimple Dhabalia"Even in systems that feel out of alignment, small acts of compassion can create ripple effects that lead to change." – Dimple Dhabalia -
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In this episode of Embodying Change, Melissa Pitotti welcomes back Torrey Peace, leadership coach and expert in the humanitarian and development sectors. Together, they explore the challenge of balancing high performance with self-care, and the importance of setting boundaries and empowering your team to thrive. Torrey shares insightful strategies on overcoming imposter syndrome, delegating effectively, and why investing in your team creates a ripple effect of positive impact. Tune in to hear practical advice you can start applying today, whether you’re leading a small team or an entire organization.
About Torrey
As a certified coach with twelve years’ experience in international development Torrey Peace facilitates rising and established leaders in the humanitarian and development world to become the leaders they admire, or “people centered leaders.” She has taught and coached over 400 supervisors globally from the UN, INGO and civil society to become more inclusive and caring leaders that make a greater impact while also stepping out of overwork and overwhelm. Her mission is to provide leaders the skills they need to be part of the change we want to see in the humanitarian and development world while also maintaining their wellbeing. For more information about Torrey’s work and podcast, please visit www.aidforaidworkers.com.Key Topics:
● What it means to embody change as a leader
● Overcoming imposter syndrome and shifting mindset
● Delegating effectively to create more time and space
● Practical tips for managing and empowering your team
● The importance of peer support and collaboration in leadershipLinks and Resources:
● Torrey’s Leadership Style Quiz
● Learn more about Torrey Peace’s Modern Humanitarian and Development Leader course
● Follow Torrey Peace on LinkedIn● Listen to the Modern Humanitarian and Development Leader Podcast
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In this episode, Melissa Pitotti talks with Debra Peltz, founder of CollabWork and a well-being champion with a 25-year career in senior administration roles. Debra shares her journey from volunteering in Sri Lanka to working at Save the Children UK and eventually launching her own business.
They explore:
What it means to truly "embody change" in your personal and professional life.Debra’s work at Save the Children UK, first supporting the Exec Director for HR before moving into a Wellbeing Lead role, where she developed and implemented strategies to promote psychological safety, enhance mental health, and build resilience across the organization.The creation of her Wellbeing Forum, a community space for sharing ideas, supporting each other, and promoting employee well-being.Insights into the System Changer Sleepover retreat, designed to foster collaboration and support among women in the humanitarian space.Practical tips for maintaining well-being and balance in demanding roles.Key Quotes:
"It’s not just about talking or planning change, but showing it through everyday choices.""Well-being leaders give so much to others, but they often forget about themselves until it's too late."Connect with Debra:
Website: collabwork.co.ukLinkedIn: Debra PeltzMentioned in this Episode:
Wellbeing Forum - This is a collaborative working group of wellbeing professionals from over 60 diverse organizations, dedicated to employee health and well-being. It’s a space where ideas flow freely, challenges are met head-on, and meaningful connections are formed. If you hold the role of Wellbeing Lead, Advisor, or HR Manager or have dual responsibility and would like to join, email [email protected]. Debra’s new venture, CollabWork Virtual Business Support, helps entrepreneurs and small business owners take their workload from overwhelming to manageable. With over 25 years of experience as an award-winning Executive Assistant, Debra’s approach is personal and tailored, focusing on understanding your unique needs to simplify your daily operations. Whether it’s managing schedules, organizing projects, or handling research, CollabWork is about making your life easier so you can focus on what truly matters. It’s virtual support, but with a human touch. If you or someone you know could use a bit of extra support, feel free to reach out and see how you could collaborate. www.collabwork.co.uk or email her at [email protected]. -
In this episode, Melissa Pitotti is joined by Sarah Noble, Head of Global Engagement at the Caux Initiatives of Change Foundation. Sarah shares her unique perspective on peace-building, storytelling, and how inner development can create outer change. Together, they discuss:
The history and mission of the Caux Palace as a gathering place for change-makers.Sarah’s journey from working at The New Humanitarian to her current role at the Caux Foundation.The importance of storytelling in peace and conflict resolution.Practical ways to incorporate quiet time and self-reflection into your life.How the Inner Development Goals framework helps accelerate progress to tackle global challenges.A preview of the System Changer Sleepover retreat, a space for women in the humanitarian sector to connect and collaborate on systems change and workforce well-being.About Sarah Noble
Sarah is originally from Canada and has lived in Switzerland for more than half her life. She has dedicated her career to building a better world through storytelling and peacebuilding. In her TEDx talk, Storytelling is Our Real-Life Superpower, she highlights the power of stories to address the existential challenges of our time. With over 20 years of experience in strategic communications, fundraising, and partnerships, Sarah co-founded and curates the Peace Talks at Interpeace. She has overseen more than 20 editions across eight countries and worked with over 200 speakers. Previously, she served as Director of External Relations at The New Humanitarian, leading its rebranding and expanding its funding base. Sarah holds an MA in International Affairs and volunteers as the Country Chair of Global Dignity for Switzerland.
Key Quotes:
"Embodying change is about being the change you want to see, and leading from the heart, not just the mind.""Quiet time is not a luxury—it's an essential practice for inner and outer peace.""We all need to be like the hummingbird, doing the best that we can, even when the world seems overwhelming."Connect with Sarah and the Caux Foundation:
Website: caux.chLearn more about their summer forums, events, and how to host your own gathering at the Caux Palace.Mentioned in this Episode:
Wangari Maathai, the Kenyan environmentalist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate. She was the founder of the Green Belt Movement and the first African woman to receive the Nobel Peace Prize in 2004 for her efforts in sustainable development, democracy, and peace. The hummingbird story is a beautiful story she often shared to illustrate the importance of individual action in the face of seemingly overwhelming challenges.Here is a recording of her telling of it.PeaceTalks - website The New Humanitarian - websiteInner Development Goals (IDG) - websiteSystem Changer Sleepover – contact Melissa Pitotti on LinkedIn for more details -
Ever wonder how aid workers can stay safe in some of the world’s most dangerous environments?
Rebecca Maudling, is on a mission to make sure humanitarian staff not only survive but feel confident and equipped to do their work safely — even in the toughest conditions. From co-founding an organization that helps NGOs work more safely, to reshaping how we think about mental health in crisis zones, Rebecca's insights on duty of care are hard earned. Stay tuned to the end to hear her big news about an exciting event coming up.
Today’s Guest
Rebecca is Co-Founder & Director of International Location Safety (ILS). She co-founded the organization, growing it from a start-up to its current position as a leading provider of security risk management services within the humanitarian aid and development sector. ILS supports organizations globally to meet their Duty of Care obligations and enable their staff to work in challenging situations around the world. As the business has grown, she has built up a fantastic team and so although now less involved in the day-to-day running of the business, she retains strategic oversight and a passion for supporting organizations to protect and care for their staff.
Key Topics Discussed:
Embodying Change: Courage to challenge the status quo and live in alignment with personal valuesThe ILS Origin Story: How Rebecca and her co-founder started ILS to provide safety and security training for humanitarian organizationsThe Core Services of ILS: Hostile Environment Awareness Training (HEAT), which is simulation-based safety, security and first aid training for staff working in complex environments, and Duty of Care Benchmarking, which assesses organizational practices around to ensuring the safety, security and well-being of staff in high-risk environmentsPsychological Well-being: How ILS integrates psychological safety into their training and organizational supportSector Trends: Growing awareness of mental health and well-being in the humanitarian sectorAidEx 2024: Highlights of the upcoming Duty of Care Pavilion, including sessions on safeguarding, AI, crisis management, and LGBTQ+ inclusion in duty of care practicesKey Takeaway:
Rebecca emphasizes the importance of connection—both to oneself and to others—in sustaining well-being, especially in high-pressure environments like humanitarian work.Connect with ILS:
Website: https://www.locationsafety.com/ILS Duty of Care conference: https://www.locationsafety.com/aidex-2024AidEx website: https://www.aid-expo.com/whats-on/ils-duty-of-care-pavilion-and-conferenceILS LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/international-location-safety/Rebecca’s personal LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-maudling/Upcoming Events:
AidEx 2024 Duty of Care Pavilion: Join Rebecca and her team in Geneva on October 23-24 for key discussions on aid worker safety and well-being. https://www.aid-expo.com/whats-on/ils-duty-of-care-pavilion-and-conference System Changer Sleepover (Oct 25-27): A follow-up event for women in the humanitarian sector to discuss workforce well-being and systemic change. Contact [email protected] for more details.Quotes
"Embodying change requires courage—courage to challenge the status quo and live in alignment with your values, even when it's difficult." – Rebecca Maudling
"We put psychological well-being at the heart of what we do. If you're not in a good mental place, you're not going to make good decisions under stress." – Rebecca Maudling
"The conversations around well-being in the humanitarian sector are happening more than ever. But there's still a long way to go." – Rebecca Maudling
"For us, it’s not just about teaching people how to survive hostile environments—it’s about helping them feel confident and empowered to do their work safely." – Rebecca Maudling
"When it comes to duty of care, it's not enough to have policies on paper. It’s about putting them into practice and making sure they actually work on the ground." – Rebecca Maudling
"Connection—to yourself and to others—is vital. You need to know what you need to sustain yourself and have a support network in place, especially when times get tough." – Rebecca Maudling
"We're seeing more conversations about mental health being just as important as physical health. That’s a positive shift, but there’s still so much more we can do." – Rebecca Maudling
"The humanitarian sector is facing unprecedented risks, and it’s never been more important to...
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In this episode, Melissa Pitotti speaks with Deborah Doane, author of The INGO Problem: Power, Privilege, and Renewal.
Deborah brings decades of experience in the humanitarian and development sectors, from leading the Ombudsman Project for humanitarian accountability to co-founding the RINGO Project, which is pushing for systemic change in global civil society.
The conversation explores key themes from Deborah’s book, including the challenges of reforming the INGO sector, shifting power to local actors, and embracing new roles for INGOs in the future.
Key topics covered:
A perspective on "embodying change": Deborah’s reflection on lifelong learning, stepping back, and listening.The INGO Problem: Power dynamics, accountability, and how the current INGO system can sideline rather than support local actors.The RINGO Project: Systems change and prototypes like the Reverse Call for Proposals that aim to shift power and resources to local civil society organizations.The future of INGOs: where INGOs move away from direct service delivery and focus on facilitation, advocacy, and fiscal sponsorship for local actors.The role of donors: How funding mechanisms must evolve to support more equitable, trust-based partnerships.Learning from prototypes: RINGO’s innovation approach, trying out new models for accountability, risk management, and participatory grant-making.Quotes:
“Embodying change means constantly learning, living my values, and interrogating my own actions.” – Deborah Doane“If INGOs truly want to show solidarity, they need to shift their role from service delivery to supporting local actors to lead.” – Deborah Doane“The bureaucracy and compliance requirements are protecting no one—they need a revolution.” – Deborah Doane“Prototyping is about trying something out, and if it doesn’t work, you’ve still learned something.” – Deborah Doane“We need to rethink the role of INGOs in the future—they must be smaller, more flexible, and in service to local communities.” – Deborah Doane"The need for system-wide change is clear, and everyone has a role to play." – Nana Asantewa AfadzinuDeborah Doane is an independent consultant and author with over two decades of experience in humanitarian and development sectors. She has led key initiatives like the RINGO Project and the Ombudsman Project, which focused on bringing accountability to the humanitarian aid sector. Her latest book, The INGO Problem, explores the power dynamics and privilege embedded in international NGOs and how to move toward a more equitable system.
Connect with Deborah Doane:
LinkedInResources Mentioned:
The INGO Problem: Power, Privilege, and Renewal by Deborah Doane: Purchase hereThe Ringo Project: Learn more hereThe Pledge for Change: WebsiteCHS Alliance: WebsiteCall to Action:
If you want to dive deeper into how INGOs operate and how they can shift power to local communities, pick up Deborah’s book, The INGO Problem.
Let’s continue these important conversations on how we can all contribute to meaningful, system-wide change.
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What does it mean to sit in the gray areas of change?
How can philanthropy better support nonprofit leaders and staff in these challenging times?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti speaks with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, a thought leader in philanthropy and the leader of the research team at the Center for Effective Philanthropy. Elisha shares her journey from a childhood deeply influenced by civil rights activism to her role in shaping effective philanthropic practices. The conversation covers critical topics, including the findings from the 2024 State of Nonprofits report, which highlights the ongoing burnout crisis among nonprofit leaders, and the transformative impact of large, unrestricted gifts as seen in Mackenzie Scott’s philanthropy.
Elisha also provides a sneak peek into their upcoming research, exploring the differences in grantee experiences when receiving funds directly from foundations versus intermediaries. This episode is packed with insights for anyone passionate about the future of philanthropy and nonprofit well-being.
Today’s GuestElisha Smith Arrillaga is the Director of Research at the Center for Effective Philanthropy (CEP). She has dedicated her career to ensuring that philanthropic practices are grounded in research and focused on maximizing their positive impact on nonprofits and the communities they serve.
Website: Center for Effective Philanthropy
Social Media: LinkedInYou’ll hear:
What embodying change means in the context of philanthropyElisha’s journey from a childhood rooted in social justice to leading research at CEPInsights from the 2024 State of Nonprofits report on burnout and staff well-beingThe impact of Mackenzie Scott’s large, unrestricted gifts on nonprofit organizationsHow funders perceive nonprofits' capacity to manage large gifts and what this says about the systemResources mentioned
The Big Gifts Report: The Impact of Large, Unsrestricted GiftsState of Nonprofits 2024: What Funders Need to KnowTrust-Based Philanthropy: Trust-Based Philanthropy ProjectHaas Fund Case Study: SSIR article on operationalizing trustWellbeing Project: The Wellbeing ProjectQuotes
“Embodying change means being able to sit in the gray areas and take the best of all kinds of solutions.” – Elisha Smith Arrillaga“Supporting nonprofit leaders and staff is crucial to achieving their missions—burnout can't be ignored.” – Elisha Smith Arrillaga“Receiving large, unrestricted gifts boosts leadership confidence and allows for greater innovation and impact.” – Elisha Smith Arrillaga“Flexibility in funding allows organizations to plan effectively and respond creatively to challenges.” – Elisha Smith Arrillaga“There are assumptions about nonprofits’ ability to manage large gifts, but our research shows they can, and they do amazing things with those funds.” – Elisha Smith ArrillagaCall to Action
Subscribe to the Embodying Change podcast for more inspiring conversations.Visit cep.org to learn more about the Center for Effective Philanthropy and their research.Join or listen to the replay of the CEP’s webinar on October 15th to dive deeper into their latest report on intermediaries in philanthropy. -
How can we create a thriving workplace culture in the humanitarian sector?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti welcomes Leanne Marega, a pioneer in humanitarian workforce well-being and a founder of Thrive Worldwide. Leanne shares her journey from Interhealth Worldwide to founding Thrive Worldwide, emphasizing the critical role of culture in fostering thriving workplaces. You’ll hear about the importance of healthy boundaries, the challenges of leadership in times of crisis, and practical steps to create supportive work environments.
Leanne also opens up about her personal battle with cancer and how it influenced her perspective on well-being and leadership. Her story of hope and community support during a challenging time offers valuable insights for anyone facing similar struggles.
Today’s Guest
Leanne Marega is Co-Founder and CEO for Thrive Worldwide bringing over 15 years experience in the wellbeing industry. Prior to Thrive, Leanne worked with InterHealth Worldwide for eight years, 4 of those years as Regional Director for Eastern Africa based in Kenya. Leanne is an entrepreneur with a heart to see people and organisations flourish. Leanne has a Masters from University of East London (UEL) in International Humanitarian Psychosocial Consultation. She is also a trained Coach from the Awaken Coach Institute. Leanne lives between the UK and Kenya with her husband. She thrives in community, going on long walks, cooking, baking and reading a good book.
Website: thrive-worldwide.orgThrive LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/thriveworldwide/
Personal LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leanne-marega-kennedy/
What embodying change means on a personal and organizational levelThe journey from Interhealth Worldwide to Thrive WorldwideThe importance of culture in supporting staff well-beingPractical steps for creating healthy boundaries for thrivingThe role of leadership in fostering a supportive work environmentLeanne's personal journey with cancer and how it reshaped her views on leadership and community
You’ll LearnResources Mentioned
Thrive Worldwide’s Website: thrive-worldwide.org2024 Burnout State of Workplace Report: gallup.comMcKinsey on Organizational Health: mckinsey.comDeloitte’s Insights on Employee Well-being: deloitte.comQuotes
“Embodying change means it literally comes from the inside out.” – Leanne Marega“We need to look at the system and consider how leaders lead and managers manage to foster a thriving workplace.” – Leanne Marega“Transformation takes time and commitment, especially in the humanitarian sector.” – Leanne Marega
Subscribe to the Embodying Change podcast for more inspiring conversations.Visit thrive-worldwide.org to learn more about Thrive Worldwide and their work.Connect with Leanne Marega on LinkedIn for further insights and updates.
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How can we create sustainable change within humanitarian and development organizations?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti welcomes back Mary Ann Clements, a pivotal figure in the history of this podcast and Co-CEO at an organisation working on disability justice, ADD International. Mary Ann shares her journey from initiating Healing Solidarity to re-imagining an INGO to become a participatory grant maker. You’ll hear about the importance of embodying change, the challenges of reimagining institutions, and the role of power dynamics in achieving sustainable transformation. Stay tuned until the end for Mary Ann’s insights on creating environments that support well-being and resilience.
Today’s GuestMary Ann Clements is co-CEO at ADD International and the initiator of Healing Solidarity. With extensive experience in social justice and humanitarian work, Mary Ann is committed to fostering well-being and systemic change in the sector.
Website: maryannclements.com
Social Media: LinkedInYou’ll Learn
What embodying change means and how it influences organizational cultureThe importance of well-being and resilience in creating sustainable changeHow Healing Solidarity started and evolved over timeThe challenges and benefits of collaborative leadershipInsights into the participatory grant-making process at ADD InternationalResources Mentioned
Mary Ann Clements’ website: maryannclements.comADD International: add.org.ukHealing Solidarity YouTube Channel"We can’t hashtag our way to change" by Mary Ann Clements in Alliance Magazine"Power does not shift easily" by Fredrick Ouko and Mary Ann Clements in Alliance MagazineThe Working Well report on the CHS Alliance websiteEmbodying Change podcasts featuring Mary Ann Clements as host:Episode 5 with Dr. Peter Mills Episode 6 with Imogen Wall Episode 7 with Lana Baqaeen Episode 8 with Gemma HouldeyThe CHS Alliance Global Gathering 2021 - Living our values: Care, culture and power in aid - on YouTubeQuotes
“Embodying change means showing up with vulnerability and leaning into difficult conversations.” – Mary Ann Clements“Creating a supportive work environment requires us to recognize our power dynamics and work towards more inclusive and caring practices.” – Mary Ann ClementsCall to Action
Subscribe to the Embodying Change podcast for more inspiring conversations.Visit maryannclements.com to learn more about Mary Ann’s work and sign up for her newsletter.Engage with Healing Solidarity’s archived content on YouTube for more insights into creating systemic change. -
Why is burnout so prevalent in the nonprofit sector? How can funders better support the people who deliver?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti welcomes Rusty Stahl, founder of Fund the People. Rusty shares his journey into philanthropy, the systemic issues leading to chronic underinvestment in nonprofit staff, and the innovative solutions Fund the People advocates for. You’ll learn about the harmful myths surrounding nonprofit overhead, the importance of treating nonprofit staff as essential assets, and practical steps to foster a healthier, more sustainable nonprofit sector.
If you're passionate about creating a supportive and effective nonprofit environment, this episode is a must-listen.
Today’s Guest
Rusty Stahl is the founder of Fund the People, an organization dedicated to maximizing investment in the nonprofit workforce. With a background in social justice and philanthropy, Rusty has been a leading voice in advocating for better support and compensation for nonprofit staff.Website: fundthepeople.org
Social Media: LinkedIn, TwitterYou’ll Learn
The historical and systemic issues leading to underinvestment in nonprofit staffWhy burnout is a symptom of deeper organizational problemsThe concept of "talent investing" and how it can transform the nonprofit sectorPractical steps funders and nonprofits can take to better support their workforceThe importance of aligning funding practices with organizational needs and valuesResources Mentioned
Fund the People Website: fundthepeople.orgFund the People – A Podcast with Rusty Stahl: subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or visit the show webpage to stream episodes, get transcripts, speaker bios, and links to resourcesState of Nonprofits 2024: view the report by the Center for Effective PhilanthropyHow Foundations are Supporting Grantee Staff Well-Being: view the research snapshot by Center for Effective PhilanthropyBlog Post (in response to Center for Effective Philanthropy research): To Ensure Nonprofit Wellbeing, Invest in Wages, Workload, and Working ConditionsThe Guru on Burnout Podcast Episode: Interview with Dr. Christina Maslach HEREQuotes
“Burnout is the visible symptom of an invisible problem: the chronic deficit of investment in our workforce.” – Rusty Stahl“Nonprofits are not social change machines; they are composed of people, and funding must reflect that.” – Rusty StahlCall to Action
Subscribe to the Embodying Change podcast for more insightful conversations.Visit fundthepeople.org to explore resources and learn how to support nonprofit staff effectively. -
Do you ever feel overwhelmed by the complexities and challenges of humanitarian work? Are you looking for signs of hope that, together, we can transform the sector?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti welcomes Pauline Chetcuti, the newly elected president of VOICE. Pauline shares her journey from international law to humanitarian advocacy, discussing the importance of saying no, the power of collective action, and the challenges of decolonizing and transforming humanitarian work.
Today’s guest
Pauline Chetcuti is the newly elected president of VOICE, the largest European humanitarian NGO network. With a background in international law and extensive experience in the humanitarian sector, Pauline is committed to advocating for effective, principled humanitarian aid and elevating local voices in global conversations.
Website: voiceeu.org
Social Media: Twitter, LinkedInYou’ll learn
What embodying change means in the context of humanitarian workThe importance of setting boundaries and saying noHow local voices can drive systemic change in the humanitarian sectorThe challenges of decolonizing and transforming humanitarian practicesThe role of VOICE in advocating for effective humanitarian aidResources mentioned
VOICE Website: voiceeu.orgPledge for Change: pledgeforchange.orgCharter for Change: charter4change.orgHumanitarian and Climate Charter: ifrc.org/climate-charterQuotes
“Embodying change is positively, proactively embracing change with openness and a willingness to be challenged and to learn every day.” – Pauline Chetcuti“Our local colleagues are the biggest motivation for change because, for them, it's their communities that transform.” – Pauline ChetcutiCall to Action
Subscribe to the Embodying Change podcast for more inspiring conversations.Visit voiceeu.org to learn more about the VOICE network and how you can get involved.Connect with Pauline on Twitter and LinkedIn for more insights and updates. -
Do you ever wonder how vulnerability and power dynamics shape your work in the humanitarian sector? Are you curious about how funding practices can better support well-being?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti welcomes back Gemma Houldey, author of The Vulnerable Humanitarian. Gemma shares her journey from human rights advocacy to becoming a thought leader regarding humanitarian well-being. You’ll hear about the importance of showing up with vulnerability, understanding power dynamics, and how feminist funders are pioneering new approaches to support long-term organizational well-being.
If you're passionate about creating a more supportive and sustainable humanitarian sector, this episode is a must-listen.
Today’s Guest
Gemma Houldey is a researcher, facilitator and space-holder for more caring and inclusive working cultures in the aid sector. Her book “The Vulnerable Humanitarian: Ending Burnout Culture in the Aid Sector,” draws on her own story and the accounts of over a hundred national and international aid workers she interviewed. The book explores the systemic causes of burnout in aid work, and provides guideposts for managers and staff to cultivate and embody collective resilience and care in the workplace. Her most recent research investigates the role of grantmakers in funding more sustainable, resilient human rights movements. Gemma works with individuals and organisations to support them to ‘walk the talk’ on principles of anti-oppression, by integrating decolonial approaches to wellbeing into everyday work routines and practices that deepen a sense of belonging and shared purpose.
Website: gemmahouldey.com
Social Media: LinkedIn, InstagramYou’ll Learn
What embodying change means in the context of vulnerability and power dynamicsHow personal and organizational well-being are interconnectedThe impact of funding practices on the well-being of humanitarian workersThe role of feminist funders in promoting sustainable well-being initiativesPractical steps for creating supportive work environmentsResources Mentioned
Gemma Houldey’s Website: gemmahouldey.comThe Vulnerable Humanitarian: Available on Routledge and other bookselling websitesNewsletter Sign-Up: Available on Gemma’s website for updates and resources, including a free chapter of her book and 25% discount code to buy it.Quotes
“Embodying change means showing up with vulnerability and leaning into difficult conversations.” – Gemma Houldey“We need to decolonize well-being and allow partners to define what it means for them.” – Gemma HouldeyCall to Action
Subscribe to the Embodying Change podcast for more inspiring conversations.Visit gemmahouldey.com to learn more about Gemma’s work and sign up for her newsletter.Join Gemma’s upcoming book circle to embody change through shared learning and practice on wellbeing and resilience in a supportive community. -
Episode 42: We Are Feminist Leaders with Leila Billing and Natalie Brook
Do you ever feel conflicted by traditional leadership models that don’t align with your values? Are you curious about how feminist principles can transform the way we approach leadership, especially in the humanitarian sector?
In today’s episode of Embodying Change, host Melissa Pitotti sits down with Leila Billing and Natalie Brook, founders of We Are Feminist Leaders. Leila and Natalie share their journey from feeling disillusioned by patriarchal and colonial leadership structures to creating a transformative program that empowers leaders to bring about genuine change. You’ll hear about the practical applications of feminist leadership, the importance of self-awareness, and the power of community and continuous learning.
If you're passionate about making a difference and leading with your values, this episode will inspire you and provide actionable insights into embodying change in your own life and work.
Today’s GuestsLeila Billing and Natalie Brook
Leila Billing and Natalie Brook are the visionary founders of We Are Feminist Leaders, an organization dedicated to fostering feminist leadership in humanitarian and development sectors. Through their 12-week online program and new membership learning network, they empower leaders to challenge traditional power structures, embrace intersectionality, and cultivate caring, inclusive work environments. Leila and Natalie draw inspiration from feminist movements around the world, particularly from the Global Majority, and aim to decentralize Western-centric leadership models. You can check out their bios here.
Website: wearefeministleaders.com
Social Media: Instagram and LinkedIn
What it means to embody change in the humanitarian sectorThe importance of self-awareness and transformation in feminist leadershipHow patriarchal and colonial dynamics affect traditional leadership modelsPractical applications of feminist leadership in various contextsThe power of community and continuous learning in driving changeReal-life examples of participants applying feminist leadership principles
You’ll learn:Resources Mentioned
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“For me, embodying change means thinking through how we want to show up in this moment, whether we’re humanitarians or not.” – Leila Billing“Feminist leadership starts with the self and requires a long-term commitment to developing self-awareness and the willingness to learn and unlearn.” – Natalie BrookCall to Action
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This conversation with Sarah Diedro Jordão provides a deep and heartfelt exploration of what it means to embody change and foster love in the quest for a more equitable society.
“Going through a painful process can very much be part of embodying change. If it's itchy, uncomfortable, messy, and hurts, change is probably on the other side of that. So there’s hope."
-Sarah Diedro Jordão
Sarah Diedro Jordão is a multi-passionate & versatile consultant. She works as a communications strategist, DEIB consultant, facilitator and podcast host. The driving interests foundational to her work are intersectional social justice, Black feminism, as well as collective dreaming. Among other things she served as an Intersectionality expert for the North-South Center of the Council of Europe, a moderator for the World Forum for Democracy and a podcast host for the European Greens.
Sarah has also been facilitating a drop-in space for BIPOC professionals in the international NGO and aid sector for the last 2 years through Healing Solidarity. Anyone interested in joining can email her at [email protected].
Learn more about Sarah Diedro Jordão on
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/sarahdiedro andHer website: https://sarahdiedrojordao.com/Check out bell hooks’ book, "all about love: new visions," for further reading on the role of love in social justice.
Thank you to Ziada Abeid for editing the show!
If you’re a humanitarian woman working internationally and you’d like to meet other women like you, request to join the free Humanitarian Women’s Collaborative on Mighty Networks here: https://the-humanitarian-women-s-collaborative.mn.co/admin/landing-page.
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Humanitarian women are exposed to chronic stress, which can impact their experience of peri-menopause, menopause and post-menopause.
In this episode of Embodying Change Scotti McLaren shares her experience and insight as it relates to this under-explored and yet powerful time of a woman’s life – before, during and after actual “M day.”
What are the symptoms and what can we do about them?
Scotti practices functional medicine and personalized nutrition, specializing in menopause and mental health. Following a career in audit and humanitarian aid (MSF), and eventual burnout, her process of recovery led to a profound shift towards the healing power of nutrition. Now, Scotti champions a gentle revolution in resilience and vitality, for herself and others. Her clinical practice is dedicated to investigating, identifying and addressing the root drivers of health – both illness and wellness - to help women reach their best health in midlife and beyond.
Check out Scotti’s website here: https://www.investigative-health.ch/
Thank you to Ziada Abeid for editing the show!If you’re a humanitarian woman working internationally and you’d like to meet other women like you, request to join the free Humanitarian Women’s Collaborative on Mighty Networks here: https://the-humanitarian-women-s-collaborative.mn.co/admin/landing-page.
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In this light-hearted episode of "Embodying Change," we sit down with Lucette Quarteron, a dynamic global citizen and visionary leader. Lucette shares her unique insights on self-leadership, the proper use of power, and conflict management, drawing from her rich personal and professional journey. Discover how Lucette transforms organizational cultures, fosters workplace trust, and empowers others to embrace change.
Key Takeaways:
The importance of self-leadership and healing personal wounds to lead others effectively.Strategies for managing emotions in conflict situations.The significance of standing up for your values and setting boundaries.How to build trust and acknowledge the contributions of others in a professional setting.Compelling Quotes:
"You need to heal your wounds. If you don't heal your personal wounds, you're going to create wounds in others. Self-leadership is being aware of yourself so that it impacts others positively.""When the emotion is overwhelming, the brain cannot function. You can just acknowledge that the person is furious and suggest discussing it later. It’s about managing emotions first so that you can think clearly.""Stand up for your beliefs and values, whatever the consequences. If you don't respect yourself, nobody will. It’s like not respecting yourself if you don’t put boundaries."Resources Mentioned:
Conflict Management Workshop - Join Lucette on June 25th at the beautiful Chateau D'Ouchy in Lausanne.Gary Chapman and Paul White's Book on Workplace Appreciation - Learn about the five languages of appreciation in the workplace.The Leading Well report - Learn about the 10 practices sited by aid leaders to Lead WellConnect with Lucette Quartiron:
Lucette Quarteron's website: Explore Lucette’s work and contact her for coaching sessions or workshopsLinkedIn: Lucette Quarteron's profileYouTube: Lucette Quartiron on Conflict Management (in French)Subscribe & Review: If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to "Embodying Change" on your favorite podcast platform and leave a review. Your feedback helps us reach more listeners and continue to bring you inspiring content.
Join Us Next Time: Stay tuned for more insightful conversations that help you embody change in your own life and work. Thank you for listening!
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Join us in this conversation with Helen Dunnett, Melissa’s accountability buddy. In today's episode, Helen shares her personal journey of transformation and discusses the powerful tools of nonviolent communication and assertiveness that have shaped her approach to coaching. She also shares the story of how she approached Melissa years ago to become her accountability buddy, and the five questions she designed to guide their weekly conversations.
What You'll Learn:
The story of Helen's career transition from communications and marketing to coaching.Insights into nonviolent communication and how it can transform workplace and personal relationships.Practical tips for becoming more assertive without infringing on others' rights.The impact of coaching on personal empowerment and stress reduction.Featured in This Episode:
Helen Dunnett, an ICF accredited coach, works with organizations to develop their teams. She brings together her experience of teamwork and team leadership with her coaching tools to create highly practical training modules that enable participants to walk out of each session armed with insights and skills that should create a step-change in performance. She has worked for over 25 years in the UK and Belgium with a diverse range of team structures such as freelance teams, volunteers, start-ups and small organizations, federations, multinationals and consulting agencies.
For Our Listeners:
Check out Helen's website for a copy of the Accountability Buddy Starter Kit here:
https://www.helendunnett.com/home/accountability-buddyMany thanks to Ziada Abeid for editing the podcast and Michelle Sandler for help designing the Kit!
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Join host Melissa Pitotti as she welcomes change advocate Cindy Rocha for a morning conversation filled with insights on embracing vulnerability and stepping out of comfort zones for transformative personal and professional growth.
Highlights:
1. Defining Embodying Change: Cindy explains how real change involves putting oneself in the 'growth zone' — a space beyond comfort that necessitates learning, unlearning, and relearning.
2. Navigating Change and Discomfort: Discussing the discomfort that accompanies change, Cindy illustrates how adapting to new situations is crucial for development and progress.
3. Impact of Technological Evolution: They delve into the accelerated pace of technological advancements and its effects on society and individual adaptability.
4. Transformation through AIESEC: Cindy shares her transformative journey with AIESEC, highlighting the organization's role in fostering international understanding and leadership skills.
5. Applying Lean and Six Sigma in Humanitarian Efforts: The conversation turns to how Lean and Six Sigma methodologies can streamline operations and improve efficiency in humanitarian contexts.
6. The Critical Role of Mental Health: Cindy and Melissa discuss the importance of acknowledging and supporting mental health in the workplace to ensure a healthy, productive workforce.Listeners are encouraged to reflect on how they can push beyond their comfort zones and embrace change both personally and professionally.
Follow Cindy on LinkedIn to continue the conversation and gain more insights into making impactful changes. linkedin.com/in/cindyrocha
Cindy Rocha has spent the last 15 years creating bridges between different sectors and managing programs to create positive change. This all started while she was a college student in Sinaloa, her home state in northern Mexico, and joined AIESEC, an international student association present in 100 countries. Founded after the 2nd World War with the mission of "peace and fulfillment of humankind's potential," AIESEC is a youth-led organization that facilitates international understanding through exchanges and leadership development programs. While those opportunities are readily available for students in the Global North, that was not the case in Cindy's local context. She worked for AIESEC at the national, regional and global level, joining AIESEC International, a multicultural team leading a network of more than 60,000 volunteers worldwide. In her final AIESEC position, Cindy was appointed Director for the Africa region, and became the first woman in that role in 60 years of organizational history. After AIESEC, Cindy has held a variety of jobs in the social impact field: She worked in corporate responsibility and process improvement for a multinational company, then as a UNDP consultant to engage the private sector in projects around the Sustainable Development Goals in Mexico, transitioned to the nonprofit sector in a disaster response organization, and currently focuses on mobilizing philanthropy to strengthen the ability of communities to withstand disasters and recover equitably when they occur.
Tune in next time for more inspiring stories and practical advice on the Embodying Change Podcast!
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Annemarie Shrouder shares her personal journey with identity and discusses her work building inclusive cultures and communities. She and Melissa explore the difference between learning and BEING something (embodying change), the challenges of mixed race identity, creating safe and/or brave spaces, and the importance of representation, belonging and community support.
Topics Discussed:
Identity and embodying change Inclusion and belonging in organizations Leadership, empathy and localization Diversity in leadership and overcoming barriers Creating inclusive cultures and speaking up against injusticeKey Insights:
Embodying change means living what you learn, not just talking about it Inclusion alone is not enough without addressing oppressive systems Self-care and vulnerability are acts of resistance for historically disadvantaged groups Both safe spaces and brave spaces are needed to have meaningful conversations (and this article by Elise Ahenkorah takes it a step further talking about accountable spaces)Annemarie Shrouder – international best-selling author of Being Brown in a Black and White World: Conversations for Leaders on Race, Racism and Belonging - has spent more than 20 years in the field of Equity, Diversity & Inclusion (EDI) as a facilitator, consultant, and international speaker. An expert in EDI with a Masters in Bias Awareness, Annemarie assists in the creation of healthy workplace communities through her Signature Methodology and Inclusive Leadership Program. Organizations turn to Annemarie when they are looking to build environments where people can learn and are supported, and where they are acknowledged and valued. She also delivers presentations and keynotes, and can be booked for speaking engagements that inspire people to notice more, and raise awareness about the importance of inclusion. Annemarie works with diversity broadly and is passionate about healing the racial divide and supporting LGBTQ+ inclusion.
To learn more, check out:
Her website: https://annemarieshrouder.com/Her community for leaders committed to building belonging: https://ediwithheart.wordpress.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annemarieshrouder/Her book: https://annemarieshrouder.com/book/“Embodying change is the difference between learning something and BEING something.”
- Annemarie Shrouder
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